FKK Sauna Clubs in Germany
Oct 14th, 2010, 05:24 PM
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FKK Sauna Clubs in Germany
These are legal prostitution establishments that are located throughout Germany and I understand that they are popular with locals. I have never been to one, but I am curious if others have. Are they nice? Which ones are the best? This is a cultural experience we are not free to have in the USA.
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Saunas are all nude, yes. But FKK has nothing to do with prostitution. Even staring at other bodies is frowned upon. For the brothel type you have to go to a different kind of 'club' than a normal public sauna.
Oct 14th, 2010, 11:47 PM
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Quokka is correct. FKK means naked, which most European sauna users are.
I live in Switzerland. We have a popular brothel down the road where locals do visit. It was a simple chalet restaurant/hotel turned into a legal money-making brothel. The problem with these brothels is the legality of the prostitutes. Most are from abroad and many aren't registered. Every year the local brothel gets raided by the police, the illegal women get sent home, the brothel owner pays a fine and the business is up and running again after two months.
Might want to post a trip report of your adventure.
I live in Switzerland. We have a popular brothel down the road where locals do visit. It was a simple chalet restaurant/hotel turned into a legal money-making brothel. The problem with these brothels is the legality of the prostitutes. Most are from abroad and many aren't registered. Every year the local brothel gets raided by the police, the illegal women get sent home, the brothel owner pays a fine and the business is up and running again after two months.
Might want to post a trip report of your adventure.
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I think the information you got so far has been correct only in parts.
Germans will indeed always use a sauna naked (you can wrap a towel around your intimate parts) and are quite disciplined on not letting sweat get onto the wood.
However, if you read of an "FKK Sauna Club" (stressing the "Club" bit - and the special and unnecessary mentionuing of "FKK" in this context), it is safe to assume that more services other than a hot sauna will be offered - most likely along the lines you were imlying in the original question.
I, nonetheless, have no experience with such "clubs", so cannot comment on their quality (which I assume would be dependent on the specific establishment and its individuals anyway). Should you be just looking for a sauna, I'd recommend either a spa or one of the nicer public pools, which almost always also feature a sauna. Should you be in the market for service extensions to the sauna experience you would have to run the risk and try one of those clubs. Probably out of common sense, I'd be very cautious with where I would depsoit my clothes (and wallet in particular) in such clubs...
Germans will indeed always use a sauna naked (you can wrap a towel around your intimate parts) and are quite disciplined on not letting sweat get onto the wood.
However, if you read of an "FKK Sauna Club" (stressing the "Club" bit - and the special and unnecessary mentionuing of "FKK" in this context), it is safe to assume that more services other than a hot sauna will be offered - most likely along the lines you were imlying in the original question.
I, nonetheless, have no experience with such "clubs", so cannot comment on their quality (which I assume would be dependent on the specific establishment and its individuals anyway). Should you be just looking for a sauna, I'd recommend either a spa or one of the nicer public pools, which almost always also feature a sauna. Should you be in the market for service extensions to the sauna experience you would have to run the risk and try one of those clubs. Probably out of common sense, I'd be very cautious with where I would depsoit my clothes (and wallet in particular) in such clubs...
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FKK is a naturist movement, philosophy and culture that has NOTHING to do with prostitution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturism
Oct 15th, 2010, 04:13 AM
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Guten Tag hsv! Long time no hear! Hope you're doing well.
Thanks for your good advice.
True story:
A good friend was in an Austrian sauna. She was naked but the only other person, an Italian man, was not. The Italian apologized for his bathing trunks and humbly admitted that Italian mouths are indeed bigger than their most famous limb, hence the cover-up.
Thanks for your good advice.
True story:
A good friend was in an Austrian sauna. She was naked but the only other person, an Italian man, was not. The Italian apologized for his bathing trunks and humbly admitted that Italian mouths are indeed bigger than their most famous limb, hence the cover-up.
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Doing well, thanks, hope you, too.
quokka, you are right about the FKK movement - but believing that FKK sauna clubs are generally innocent establishments set-up to accommodate hot-air enthusiasts and nothing else, is, forgive me, a bit naive.
A quick search for fkk sauna clubs on google brings up informative results.
quokka, you are right about the FKK movement - but believing that FKK sauna clubs are generally innocent establishments set-up to accommodate hot-air enthusiasts and nothing else, is, forgive me, a bit naive.
A quick search for fkk sauna clubs on google brings up informative results.
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>FKK is a naturist movement, philosophy and culture that has NOTHING to do with prostitution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturism<
HSV is entirely correct "FKK clubs" are are not the same as FKK nudist resorts or public saunas. They're brothels.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturism<
HSV is entirely correct "FKK clubs" are are not the same as FKK nudist resorts or public saunas. They're brothels.
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I have over 10 years experience with the FKK Sauna Club scene in Germany. Perhaps I can clear some things up. The term FKK is indeed the nudist term "Free Body Culture" Frei Korper Kultur in German.
30 Years ago there were only brothels in Germany, then a German named Bern opened his own club in a small town outside of Bonn. He wanted his brothel to be different so he made changes to the concept. Since most brothels the women were clothed and in dark lit conditions Bern opted to have his women wear nothing (totally nude) with the exception of heels.
Lighting conditions were also more natural and better lit. The club started in the basement of Bern's home. With a bar, pool, sauna and a few rooms. Other rules were also enforced such as women could not approach the men or be aggressive. The men had to make the first move. The club charges an entry fee that includes use of the club 1pm-12 midnight Monday - Friday. Food, drink, beer and alcohol. Women are paid 50 Euros for about 30 minutes of time. Bern's club was in essence the first "Sauna Club" but with a twist that women were available to the men. There's another side to the thinking, in Germany what takes place in a private room between a man and a woman is no one's business. Privacy laws allowed two people to pay entry to a club (working women and men) if they decided to go to a private room and engage in something that was up to them. Thus the club could operate as a club not a brothel. The club was therefore collecting entry fees from the women and men. Nudity made things easier, since both the men and women would undress, shower and be ready for action. At the same time they could use a sauna and pool. Years later laws changed and clubs were required to have brothel licenses but the concept and work ethics remained.
The Bern's concept took off, Bern's did not use the term FKK however other businessmen noticed how popular Berns concept was and cashed in on it. Brothels like Oase near Frankfurt opened with the title FKK Sauna Club. They wanted to separate themselves from the usual brothel concept which was cold, rushed and common. The term FKK was used to let guests know both men and women were naked. Men have the option of wearing a towel around the waste (this became the common attire). In the last few years bath robes have been used at most of the clubs. Previously this was only done at a few clubs. The term Sauna mean only they offered a sauna. Again perhaps a reason which explained why people were nude. Club was used as most brothels did not use the term "brothel" instead "club". So the term FKK Sauna Club was born and used.
I don't think its fair to judge prostitution a business that has been going on even before all of us were born. We have the right to agree and dis-agree with the concept. The fact is Germans have designed it in a way to make it successful and legal. The raids spoken of do take place but this is nothing unusual or wrong and can be compared to a surprise visit by a food inspector going to a restaurant. Women are required to have legal documentation, which is strictly enforced. Most clubs will make photo copies of passports and documents. About 7 years ago it was common that these raids took place and the police would removed some women, this however did not always shut down the club or stop it. The fact is prostitution has been going on of ages and can be found a block away from Frankfurt's am Mains main train station. Where it has been controlled and done for ages. So lets not make FKK Sauna Clubs sound as if some illegal is going on. If anything it was used to get around the law but today is legal.
Just like the US where cheap labor has brought many workers from the south, Germany with the EU has allowed people from poor countries to find work. Before the EU some of these workers were smuggled in and worked illegally, many who the police removed during raids. The fact is there are also German as well as other countries working in the clubs, I've even met women from the US, Denmark, England, Ireland,etc. If you want to see a list of what countries see this page http://www.fkktour.com/fkk/faq.htm#women
In fact if you want to know more about Fkk Sauna Clubs then take some time and Google the term or visit fkktour.com a company which has been helping guests visit some of the estimated 500 or more clubs in Germany.
FKK nudist resorts and Sauna's (mineral baths) are totally different and not to be confused with FKK Sauna Clubs which can also be called "Sauna Club". The difference is entry is usually 30-75 Euros and hours are 7 days a week from 10am -5am the late hours is usually a good way to determine what kind of club it is.
FKK is a term that was used and has nothing to do with the nudist movement. I hope this helps anyone who may be confused
30 Years ago there were only brothels in Germany, then a German named Bern opened his own club in a small town outside of Bonn. He wanted his brothel to be different so he made changes to the concept. Since most brothels the women were clothed and in dark lit conditions Bern opted to have his women wear nothing (totally nude) with the exception of heels.
Lighting conditions were also more natural and better lit. The club started in the basement of Bern's home. With a bar, pool, sauna and a few rooms. Other rules were also enforced such as women could not approach the men or be aggressive. The men had to make the first move. The club charges an entry fee that includes use of the club 1pm-12 midnight Monday - Friday. Food, drink, beer and alcohol. Women are paid 50 Euros for about 30 minutes of time. Bern's club was in essence the first "Sauna Club" but with a twist that women were available to the men. There's another side to the thinking, in Germany what takes place in a private room between a man and a woman is no one's business. Privacy laws allowed two people to pay entry to a club (working women and men) if they decided to go to a private room and engage in something that was up to them. Thus the club could operate as a club not a brothel. The club was therefore collecting entry fees from the women and men. Nudity made things easier, since both the men and women would undress, shower and be ready for action. At the same time they could use a sauna and pool. Years later laws changed and clubs were required to have brothel licenses but the concept and work ethics remained.
The Bern's concept took off, Bern's did not use the term FKK however other businessmen noticed how popular Berns concept was and cashed in on it. Brothels like Oase near Frankfurt opened with the title FKK Sauna Club. They wanted to separate themselves from the usual brothel concept which was cold, rushed and common. The term FKK was used to let guests know both men and women were naked. Men have the option of wearing a towel around the waste (this became the common attire). In the last few years bath robes have been used at most of the clubs. Previously this was only done at a few clubs. The term Sauna mean only they offered a sauna. Again perhaps a reason which explained why people were nude. Club was used as most brothels did not use the term "brothel" instead "club". So the term FKK Sauna Club was born and used.
I don't think its fair to judge prostitution a business that has been going on even before all of us were born. We have the right to agree and dis-agree with the concept. The fact is Germans have designed it in a way to make it successful and legal. The raids spoken of do take place but this is nothing unusual or wrong and can be compared to a surprise visit by a food inspector going to a restaurant. Women are required to have legal documentation, which is strictly enforced. Most clubs will make photo copies of passports and documents. About 7 years ago it was common that these raids took place and the police would removed some women, this however did not always shut down the club or stop it. The fact is prostitution has been going on of ages and can be found a block away from Frankfurt's am Mains main train station. Where it has been controlled and done for ages. So lets not make FKK Sauna Clubs sound as if some illegal is going on. If anything it was used to get around the law but today is legal.
Just like the US where cheap labor has brought many workers from the south, Germany with the EU has allowed people from poor countries to find work. Before the EU some of these workers were smuggled in and worked illegally, many who the police removed during raids. The fact is there are also German as well as other countries working in the clubs, I've even met women from the US, Denmark, England, Ireland,etc. If you want to see a list of what countries see this page http://www.fkktour.com/fkk/faq.htm#women
In fact if you want to know more about Fkk Sauna Clubs then take some time and Google the term or visit fkktour.com a company which has been helping guests visit some of the estimated 500 or more clubs in Germany.
FKK nudist resorts and Sauna's (mineral baths) are totally different and not to be confused with FKK Sauna Clubs which can also be called "Sauna Club". The difference is entry is usually 30-75 Euros and hours are 7 days a week from 10am -5am the late hours is usually a good way to determine what kind of club it is.
FKK is a term that was used and has nothing to do with the nudist movement. I hope this helps anyone who may be confused
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QUESTION:
How DO you keep the sweat from getting onto or into the "wood" in a sauna anyway?
ANSWER:
You are suppose to bring a towel or a couple of them into the sauna (hot steam) and place them under you and under your feet to stop the sweat that drips from your body from coming in contact with the wood.
QUESTION:
These are legal prostitution establishments that are located throughout Germany and I understand that they are popular with locals. I have never been to one, but I am curious if others have. Are they nice? Which ones are the best? This is a cultural experience we are not free to have in the USA.
ANSWER:
Yes its LEGAL, the women are taxed which is collected and combined with their entry fee when they enter the club. I've heard its about 20 Euros per day they pay in taxes.
Are they nice? If you've never been you'll be surprised how plush and nice they are. They're set up to be an entire day event if you wish, complete with food, drink included (all you can eat or drink)in the entry price. Some are in mansions so this gives you an idea of how nice they can be. Many have pools and whirlpools for your use. They have large lounges where the women and men mingle to get to know each other. High quality coffee, tea, soda, juices, water are common and included. Many have large outside gardens with sun bathing area's and volleyball. Some are located in huge warehouses in industrial complexes which inside are the size of a small football field with a 4 story ceiling. They all vary but all are in my opinion nice, often plush and comfortable.
Going back to the original Bern's Sauna Club its located in a small one family home, a basement and 2 floors. When the business took off they expanded to take up the entire home and garden. Bern's later branched out with several other clubs, Bern's passed away several years ago and the business was taken over by his son. Is Bern's nice inside? Well its like being in a home, its a smaller scale then the bigger clubs but still comfortable but not for an all day stay.
The big clubs are Oase (outside of Frankfurt, World (40 minutes north of Frankfurt) Palace (within Frankfurt). If you go to fkktour.com there are links to most of the clubs at the bottom of the page. Note most clubs are not reachable via public transportation. Palace is an exception however one of the most expensive clubs and considered a tourist trap by many. Its also fairly dark with over aggressive women. Not recommended for newbies.
Oase and World are better examples of bigger clubs, Oase on a good day can have up to 125 Women but I've not seen this for sometime. Oase has a nice stainless steel outdoor pool, large garden, strip pole dances, bar, Porno Kino and ample secure parking. Train to Frieburg then taxi to the club.
World is located inside a once CEO's mansion that sits on top of a hill in a small rural community (one of my favorites). The mansion is all metal and glass, has multiple floors, two pools, one whirlpool, good hot German style buffet food, drinks, free draft beer, ample parking and about 80 women during peak times. Getting to World is a bit of a hassle, you would have to take a train to Giessen or another nearby city then taxi there. Taxi rides range from 100-150 Euros each way from Frankfurt, you could try and negotiate with the driver.
There are in fact many clubs visit this page
http://www.21orover.com/discus/messages/43/61854.html
For a list of most of them, the site also has them by reigon, city and alpha order. The site is free.
By the way Prostitution while not recommended nor does it compare to Germany is legal in the state of Nevada in the US
More info on this can be found at http://www.21orover.com/discus/messa...tml?1285049699
While everyone won't agree with prostitution, its an option for some. Many of the women I have met are not low lifes, crack whores or unpleasant folk but hard working good people trying to make a living. Students, normal women that work normal jobs (you would not know by looking at them) but they moonlight at the clubs to make cash. Some even enjoy the work and are very selective with who their customers are. Se and prostitution got a bad wrap, especially in the US where nudity and sex can be frowned upon. Do yourself a favor and don't judge something until you've actually lived it, tried it or understand it. Most of what you hear is second hand info or hype by the media.
How DO you keep the sweat from getting onto or into the "wood" in a sauna anyway?
ANSWER:
You are suppose to bring a towel or a couple of them into the sauna (hot steam) and place them under you and under your feet to stop the sweat that drips from your body from coming in contact with the wood.
QUESTION:
These are legal prostitution establishments that are located throughout Germany and I understand that they are popular with locals. I have never been to one, but I am curious if others have. Are they nice? Which ones are the best? This is a cultural experience we are not free to have in the USA.
ANSWER:
Yes its LEGAL, the women are taxed which is collected and combined with their entry fee when they enter the club. I've heard its about 20 Euros per day they pay in taxes.
Are they nice? If you've never been you'll be surprised how plush and nice they are. They're set up to be an entire day event if you wish, complete with food, drink included (all you can eat or drink)in the entry price. Some are in mansions so this gives you an idea of how nice they can be. Many have pools and whirlpools for your use. They have large lounges where the women and men mingle to get to know each other. High quality coffee, tea, soda, juices, water are common and included. Many have large outside gardens with sun bathing area's and volleyball. Some are located in huge warehouses in industrial complexes which inside are the size of a small football field with a 4 story ceiling. They all vary but all are in my opinion nice, often plush and comfortable.
Going back to the original Bern's Sauna Club its located in a small one family home, a basement and 2 floors. When the business took off they expanded to take up the entire home and garden. Bern's later branched out with several other clubs, Bern's passed away several years ago and the business was taken over by his son. Is Bern's nice inside? Well its like being in a home, its a smaller scale then the bigger clubs but still comfortable but not for an all day stay.
The big clubs are Oase (outside of Frankfurt, World (40 minutes north of Frankfurt) Palace (within Frankfurt). If you go to fkktour.com there are links to most of the clubs at the bottom of the page. Note most clubs are not reachable via public transportation. Palace is an exception however one of the most expensive clubs and considered a tourist trap by many. Its also fairly dark with over aggressive women. Not recommended for newbies.
Oase and World are better examples of bigger clubs, Oase on a good day can have up to 125 Women but I've not seen this for sometime. Oase has a nice stainless steel outdoor pool, large garden, strip pole dances, bar, Porno Kino and ample secure parking. Train to Frieburg then taxi to the club.
World is located inside a once CEO's mansion that sits on top of a hill in a small rural community (one of my favorites). The mansion is all metal and glass, has multiple floors, two pools, one whirlpool, good hot German style buffet food, drinks, free draft beer, ample parking and about 80 women during peak times. Getting to World is a bit of a hassle, you would have to take a train to Giessen or another nearby city then taxi there. Taxi rides range from 100-150 Euros each way from Frankfurt, you could try and negotiate with the driver.
There are in fact many clubs visit this page
http://www.21orover.com/discus/messages/43/61854.html
For a list of most of them, the site also has them by reigon, city and alpha order. The site is free.
By the way Prostitution while not recommended nor does it compare to Germany is legal in the state of Nevada in the US
More info on this can be found at http://www.21orover.com/discus/messa...tml?1285049699
While everyone won't agree with prostitution, its an option for some. Many of the women I have met are not low lifes, crack whores or unpleasant folk but hard working good people trying to make a living. Students, normal women that work normal jobs (you would not know by looking at them) but they moonlight at the clubs to make cash. Some even enjoy the work and are very selective with who their customers are. Se and prostitution got a bad wrap, especially in the US where nudity and sex can be frowned upon. Do yourself a favor and don't judge something until you've actually lived it, tried it or understand it. Most of what you hear is second hand info or hype by the media.
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I never read such an amount of inexact information, I am from Italy and the situation you guys reported with your comment completely depicts your great confusion about the sauna world here in Europe. First of all the FKK is the acronym for the Naturist movement and it has nothing to do with prostitution.
Then there are sexy saunas for men whose owners exploits the word FKK next to sexy in order to attract customers because they think it's like an exchange clu
club scambisti), but it's not. I think you completely ignore that here in Italy we have thousands of Exchange clubs. Exchange clubs (club scambisti) are where couples and singles go to exchange sex partners and here in Italy are more common than supermarkets.
Regarding the nudist saunas it depends on where you go, in the north of Italy and south of Austria and Germany nudity is absolutely normal because the real sauna has to be made naked for example you can go to Monticello Spa http://www.monticellospa.it where you only go naked in the sauna men and women together (children included), but only in the sauna then in other areas of the spa you have to wear a swimsuit or a towel. Then there are the nudist spas, where it's only for nudist people all over the areas of the spa and you can find some of them in Piemonte near Torino in the city of Le Casse there's one nudist spa. But that's only for naturists who believe in naturism (FKK) and has nothing to do with sex. If you want to do sex in the sauna you have to go to Switzerland or Germany because in those two places prostitution it's absolutely legal. You can look up all the sexy saunas in Germany on this website:
http://www.fkk-sauna-clubs.com Regarding Italian men, don't even try to get in competition with them as regarding sex they re absolutely outclass. Sorry.
Then there are sexy saunas for men whose owners exploits the word FKK next to sexy in order to attract customers because they think it's like an exchange clu
club scambisti), but it's not. I think you completely ignore that here in Italy we have thousands of Exchange clubs. Exchange clubs (club scambisti) are where couples and singles go to exchange sex partners and here in Italy are more common than supermarkets. Regarding the nudist saunas it depends on where you go, in the north of Italy and south of Austria and Germany nudity is absolutely normal because the real sauna has to be made naked for example you can go to Monticello Spa http://www.monticellospa.it where you only go naked in the sauna men and women together (children included), but only in the sauna then in other areas of the spa you have to wear a swimsuit or a towel. Then there are the nudist spas, where it's only for nudist people all over the areas of the spa and you can find some of them in Piemonte near Torino in the city of Le Casse there's one nudist spa. But that's only for naturists who believe in naturism (FKK) and has nothing to do with sex. If you want to do sex in the sauna you have to go to Switzerland or Germany because in those two places prostitution it's absolutely legal. You can look up all the sexy saunas in Germany on this website:
http://www.fkk-sauna-clubs.com Regarding Italian men, don't even try to get in competition with them as regarding sex they re absolutely outclass. Sorry.
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@ Vittoria
Its obvious there's a difference between the Nudist and the men's clubs in Germany. This confusion is common from NONE German speaking visitors. Thus its best to get your information from the experts (Germans and German speaking people who have been doing the FKK men's club thing since 1995. They speak German and don't have the problems understanding the culture and rules which non-German speakers may have. fkktour.com explains the history and background.
Fact is the owners of what you call "the sexy saunas" are not exploiting anyone or even the term "FKK". If you've actually been to many of these clubs the term ONLY means people are nude inside and nothing to do with "nudist themselves". Its not meant and never was meant to attract customers due to the definition of nudity. Your post is totally inaccurate.
Nudity at NORMAL saunas happens ALL OVER EUROPE not just the limited countries you included. http://www.21orover.com has been around for decades. your fkk-sauna-clubs site is just a simple directory which was recently introduced and run by a club to promote its services. Its missing hundreds of listing and is incomplete at best.
If you want sex http://www.21orover.com lists locations all over the world. Its not just limited to Switzerland or Germany. There are other countries such as Netherlands, Austria and CZ where sex is legal.
Yes we know how great Italian men are this is why they often come to Germany for sex (where they really know what is going on). Not hard to wonder why SEX is illegal in Italy, thus so many frustrated men and women. Thanks for input.
Finally we should never confuse or combine the term FKK with sex and the nudist. FKK is merely a term that means "nudity" perhaps the lack of English skills may be the confusion.
Its obvious there's a difference between the Nudist and the men's clubs in Germany. This confusion is common from NONE German speaking visitors. Thus its best to get your information from the experts (Germans and German speaking people who have been doing the FKK men's club thing since 1995. They speak German and don't have the problems understanding the culture and rules which non-German speakers may have. fkktour.com explains the history and background.
Fact is the owners of what you call "the sexy saunas" are not exploiting anyone or even the term "FKK". If you've actually been to many of these clubs the term ONLY means people are nude inside and nothing to do with "nudist themselves". Its not meant and never was meant to attract customers due to the definition of nudity. Your post is totally inaccurate.
Nudity at NORMAL saunas happens ALL OVER EUROPE not just the limited countries you included. http://www.21orover.com has been around for decades. your fkk-sauna-clubs site is just a simple directory which was recently introduced and run by a club to promote its services. Its missing hundreds of listing and is incomplete at best.
If you want sex http://www.21orover.com lists locations all over the world. Its not just limited to Switzerland or Germany. There are other countries such as Netherlands, Austria and CZ where sex is legal.
Yes we know how great Italian men are this is why they often come to Germany for sex (where they really know what is going on). Not hard to wonder why SEX is illegal in Italy, thus so many frustrated men and women. Thanks for input.
Finally we should never confuse or combine the term FKK with sex and the nudist. FKK is merely a term that means "nudity" perhaps the lack of English skills may be the confusion.
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