Credit card CHIP in Europe
#1
Original Poster
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 770
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Credit card CHIP in Europe
Does anyone know of any USA credit card that has a chip implant that works in Europe? We would really like to have a card that works there if only for "emergencies."
What solutions do some of you have for this problem? I know you can carry cash but sometimes for example, in getting gas when there is no attendant (lunch break, etc.) there is no one to take your money.
Thanks and happy travels.
What solutions do some of you have for this problem? I know you can carry cash but sometimes for example, in getting gas when there is no attendant (lunch break, etc.) there is no one to take your money.
Thanks and happy travels.
#2
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 8,351
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Even if you have a US Chipped card (CAP One have one now I believe) many automatic petrol machines and the like will only accept credit cards from that country - so not even other European CCs.
The answer to that problem is to make sure you fill up on plenty of time.
Your US CC can be swiped and used as you would in the US in shops and other places.
The answer to that problem is to make sure you fill up on plenty of time.
Your US CC can be swiped and used as you would in the US in shops and other places.
#3
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 24,295
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Nope: not yet, although there are chip cards in Canada (at least one bank is issuing them).
For Americans, there's no good solution yet unless you have a friend to lend you a chip card, as we did.
Otherwise, about all you can do is fill up on gas during hours when stations are open. And write your band demanding that chip cards be issued! Maybe if enough of us do that we'll have chip cards by the end of the decade.
For Americans, there's no good solution yet unless you have a friend to lend you a chip card, as we did.
Otherwise, about all you can do is fill up on gas during hours when stations are open. And write your band demanding that chip cards be issued! Maybe if enough of us do that we'll have chip cards by the end of the decade.
#4
Original Poster
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 770
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I know US chip cards do not work now. Did not know that the card has to be from the specific country. One other problem we had was in a parking garage where we had to leave very early one morning before the attendant was on duty. We were told we could put coins in the "machine" so we had them. WRONG. No place for coins, only credit cards and it had to have that chip. Fortunately for us there was a "panic" button and someone spoke to us through a speaker and just let us out when they realized our problem. We shudder to think what could have been our fate - missed flight home when there were already air strikes going on. Just was hoping for a solution just in case some other "problem" arose.
#7
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,924
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
U.S. Bank is now issuing chip and pin cards for its FlexPerks Visa Signature accounts.
http://www.nfctimes.com/news/us-bank...face-emv-cards
http://www.nfctimes.com/news/us-bank...face-emv-cards
#9
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 425
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
If you want a card only for emergencies you could look into the Travelex Chip and Pin card-- it seems to be basically a preloaded debit/credit card that is supposed to work anywhere a chip and pin card would work in Europe. The downside is high transaction/currency conversion fees but I am not sure if you pay those if you load money on for an emergency and then cash out when you get back home.
#10
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 2,541
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
>>>
there are chip cards in Canada (at least one bank is issuing them)
<<<
As far as I know all banks and credit card companies here in Canada having been issuing chipped cards for a couple of years. There must be very few old cards left.
mimipam, I don't know where you live but if you're within an easy drive of Canada a Canadian bank will open an account for you... you need your passport and another piece of photo id.
there are chip cards in Canada (at least one bank is issuing them)
<<<
As far as I know all banks and credit card companies here in Canada having been issuing chipped cards for a couple of years. There must be very few old cards left.
mimipam, I don't know where you live but if you're within an easy drive of Canada a Canadian bank will open an account for you... you need your passport and another piece of photo id.
#11
Original Poster
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 770
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
news article today on bing.com/travel about some banks adding this for about $95 a year - will keep a check on this
Paris, I live in Texas - too far to drive up to Canada but that would be a good idea for those who can
Paris, I live in Texas - too far to drive up to Canada but that would be a good idea for those who can
#14
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 849
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I wrote to AmEx, Chase and Citi to ask about EMV chips on the cards, and got virtually identical patronizing replies telling me how I could use magnetic strip cards at retail establishments in Europe. All three were oblivious to the problems of using toll booths, automated ticket dispensers, out of hours fuel stops, or other unattended machines.
BTW, EMV means European MasterCard Visa. I don't know if these cards would be acceptable outside of the Euro Zone.
BTW, EMV means European MasterCard Visa. I don't know if these cards would be acceptable outside of the Euro Zone.
#15
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 3,179
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
<i>BTW, EMV means European MasterCard Visa.</i>
EMV means Europay, Mastercard and Visa. Europay has been part of Mastercard since 2002 meaning that MC and Visa, US based companies, are developing this technology which is becoming the world standard and not just in Europe. Basically only the US has no plans to adopt this system as both Canada and Mexico are making/have made the change.
The US Bank card is an enhanced EMV card with which one will be able to simply wave the card over a reader rather than having it read by contact.
Still the news is good as more and more banks issue these cards. (Chase already has an EMV program as does Silicone Valley Bank.)
EMV means Europay, Mastercard and Visa. Europay has been part of Mastercard since 2002 meaning that MC and Visa, US based companies, are developing this technology which is becoming the world standard and not just in Europe. Basically only the US has no plans to adopt this system as both Canada and Mexico are making/have made the change.
The US Bank card is an enhanced EMV card with which one will be able to simply wave the card over a reader rather than having it read by contact.
Still the news is good as more and more banks issue these cards. (Chase already has an EMV program as does Silicone Valley Bank.)
#16
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 26,778
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
There is little to no issue using American credit cards in Europe. You are worrying about nothing and the ability to get a chip and PIN card should be very low on the list of criteria in choosing a card.
As noted above, the systems within Europe don't always talk to each other (my Danish card does not work in the UK, for example) and many of the problems attributed to chip and PIN issues are really down to the fact that the terminal accepts only local debit cards, and do not accept credit cards.
This is the most overhyped non-issue aired on this board. Hand your card to the cashier, tell them it doesn't have a PIN, and watch it work.
As noted above, the systems within Europe don't always talk to each other (my Danish card does not work in the UK, for example) and many of the problems attributed to chip and PIN issues are really down to the fact that the terminal accepts only local debit cards, and do not accept credit cards.
This is the most overhyped non-issue aired on this board. Hand your card to the cashier, tell them it doesn't have a PIN, and watch it work.
#17
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,924
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
According to this article, the new U.S. Bank cards will combine three technologies: Magnetic stripe, EMV chip, and Visa payWave to enable wide use internationally.
http://www.pymnts.com/u-s-bank-first...-travelers-br/
I'm planning to try to get one before we go in September.
http://www.pymnts.com/u-s-bank-first...-travelers-br/
I'm planning to try to get one before we go in September.
#18
Original Poster
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 770
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Travelgourmet , if you will re-read my posts you will see how I have had problems NOT having a card with a chip. I am not worrying about nothing when I am "trapped" in a parking garage with no way to pay to get out. This caused high anxiety. I agree it is not usually a problem.
#19
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 137
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Generally no issue, most businesses have the ability to accept a non chip card and print a receipt for you to sign as you do state side. You will run into the odd vendor who is not knowledgeable enough to manage this, but it is rare. There are a few instances on French autoroute and at gas stations where you can run into issues, but if you use a site such as this you should be able to anticipate and troubleshoot (ex: use cash, not park in a garage where there is no attendant, buy gas during daytime business hours etc!)
The importance of pre planning and ensuring you have options cannot be under estimated when traveling...it is also part of the fun!
The importance of pre planning and ensuring you have options cannot be under estimated when traveling...it is also part of the fun!
#20
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 5,271
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
As it does with many other things, the US is technologically inferior to much of the rest of the world. Slowly but surely, the EMV cards are becoming standard. I just got back from a month long cruise through Scandanavia and a couple of days in Paris and 2.5 weeks in Britain and Ireland. I wasn't driving a car and had no problems using my outdated USA cards. Merchants always knew what to do. I had two fights over dynamic currency conversion which is a scam you have to watch out for, especially in Ireland. One, at Burger King believe it or not, was not resolved. I finally marked the sales slip local currency not offered and have requested a charge back. It's not a lot of money but it's the principle of the matter.
Anyway, for the most part, right now today, 02 July 2011 it's not a problem. Howevever, there is a movement within the eu to allow merchants and banks to refuse to accept non chip and pin cards. How long it will take effect and how many merchants and bankis will follow it is a question.
But none of this has spurred the US banks to get off their rear ends and begin meeting the needs of their customers. There is no reason even if they don't want to convert all US merchants to chip and pin (and terminals are constantly being updated and many retailers such as Wal-mart now have chip and pin terminals), there is no reason, none whatsoever, why they can't issue credit cards with both magnetic strips and chip and pin and if they want to charge what it will cost as an option (perhaps 50¢, that's fine). But their attitude is summed up by what a Capital One rep told me when I called to complain, all visa merchants are mandated to accept all visa cards worldwide regardless of whewther they are magnetic strip or chip and pin. We'll see what happens when the eu legislation takes effect. (Incidentally you may know know but European emv cards also have the magnetic strip so they can be used in the backward countries that don't have emv cards right now).
Incidentally, the cards being issued by Chase and Wells Fargo are not universal, just for their most expensive credit card accounts and are not chip and pin but rather chip and signature. Yes they will have the emv chip (which in theory can't be cloned) but will not have the pin. You will still have to sign the receipt.
Anyway, for the most part, right now today, 02 July 2011 it's not a problem. Howevever, there is a movement within the eu to allow merchants and banks to refuse to accept non chip and pin cards. How long it will take effect and how many merchants and bankis will follow it is a question.
But none of this has spurred the US banks to get off their rear ends and begin meeting the needs of their customers. There is no reason even if they don't want to convert all US merchants to chip and pin (and terminals are constantly being updated and many retailers such as Wal-mart now have chip and pin terminals), there is no reason, none whatsoever, why they can't issue credit cards with both magnetic strips and chip and pin and if they want to charge what it will cost as an option (perhaps 50¢, that's fine). But their attitude is summed up by what a Capital One rep told me when I called to complain, all visa merchants are mandated to accept all visa cards worldwide regardless of whewther they are magnetic strip or chip and pin. We'll see what happens when the eu legislation takes effect. (Incidentally you may know know but European emv cards also have the magnetic strip so they can be used in the backward countries that don't have emv cards right now).
Incidentally, the cards being issued by Chase and Wells Fargo are not universal, just for their most expensive credit card accounts and are not chip and pin but rather chip and signature. Yes they will have the emv chip (which in theory can't be cloned) but will not have the pin. You will still have to sign the receipt.