Which airline from UK to NZ?
Feb 8th, 2006, 01:31 AM
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Which airline from UK to NZ?
I'm checking out prices from Manchester in the UK to New Zealand for October. As far as I can see, Singapore airlines is cheapest and least changes (once at Singapore). The disadvantage is that their baggage limit is 20kg. While I can pack my normal clothes within this limit, I'd like to be able to take hiking boots and equipment, that would take us over the limit. Does anyone know how strict they are with the limits or if it's possible to arrange extra limits in advance? Does anyone have any other suggestions or recommendations for airlines? Thanks, Maria
Feb 8th, 2006, 02:10 AM
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Hello - 20 kg is pretty std. the old 44 pounds.
Suggest taking less of your "normal clothes".
How long are you visiting for? If it's a long time then buy stuff here. If it's a short time then examine your pile of things to take and discard most of it.
you know what they say - take twice the money and half the luggage.
If you want to know how much Singapore air charge for excess luggage - why not ask them direct, then you would not only have up to date info, but you would have it from the source (or the horse's mouth!!).
Suggest taking less of your "normal clothes".
How long are you visiting for? If it's a long time then buy stuff here. If it's a short time then examine your pile of things to take and discard most of it.
you know what they say - take twice the money and half the luggage.
If you want to know how much Singapore air charge for excess luggage - why not ask them direct, then you would not only have up to date info, but you would have it from the source (or the horse's mouth!!).
Feb 8th, 2006, 02:29 AM
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If your willing to go via the US then you can take 2 bags at 23kg each (Air New Zealand) but I would think those flights may be more expensive.
All the other airlines going East have a 20kg limit but as long as your not 'way over' the limit then its usually not an issue i.e between 5 -10 kg
Geordie
All the other airlines going East have a 20kg limit but as long as your not 'way over' the limit then its usually not an issue i.e between 5 -10 kg
Geordie
Feb 8th, 2006, 02:45 AM
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Of course I'll check out specific details with travel agents, airlines, etc, once we firm up our plans - I'm still at the "should we" stage of planning. I just wondered what personal experiences people might have had with the various airlines, levels of comfort, etc, as well as baggage allowances - e.g is it worth paying over £200 extra to travel with air New Zealand via LA?
The problem with walking boots is the bulk, rather than just weight, we'd hoped to pack an extra bag with boots, fleeces, waterproofs, etc, and I know our usual cases weigh a little under 20kg when reasonably full. I've resorted to wearing my walking boots for travel before now and taking them off during the flight but I'm not sure I fancy this for a 25 hour plus flights with stop overs. We're travelling for 3 weeks and need to pack for variable weather.
Any information on the various option would be welcomed. Thanks again, Maria
The problem with walking boots is the bulk, rather than just weight, we'd hoped to pack an extra bag with boots, fleeces, waterproofs, etc, and I know our usual cases weigh a little under 20kg when reasonably full. I've resorted to wearing my walking boots for travel before now and taking them off during the flight but I'm not sure I fancy this for a 25 hour plus flights with stop overs. We're travelling for 3 weeks and need to pack for variable weather.
Any information on the various option would be welcomed. Thanks again, Maria
Feb 8th, 2006, 04:52 AM
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Just to clarify, with Air NZ you get 46 kg each in economy.
I've travelled with Air NZ via LA/Honolulu/Fiji/Auckland in Business Class and they were very good.
I believe in economy they are also very good as they have the more leg room then many of the other carriers at 34".
Check with consolidators like trailfinders and have a look in the quality Sunday papers for any NZ specials.
Geordie
I've travelled with Air NZ via LA/Honolulu/Fiji/Auckland in Business Class and they were very good.
I believe in economy they are also very good as they have the more leg room then many of the other carriers at 34".
Check with consolidators like trailfinders and have a look in the quality Sunday papers for any NZ specials.
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Feb 8th, 2006, 01:49 PM
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Hi Maria,
Can you just pack enough clothing for a week and plan on using a laundromat when necessary? Would that give you enough room for your boots? You could also wear your fleece pullover on the plane.
Lee Ann
Can you just pack enough clothing for a week and plan on using a laundromat when necessary? Would that give you enough room for your boots? You could also wear your fleece pullover on the plane.
Lee Ann
Feb 8th, 2006, 03:50 PM
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Maria -
Are you a member of any airline frequent flyer program? If so, you'd do well to fly with them or a partner and perhaps get an extra luggage allotment depending on your member status.
If not, you'll have to pack conservatively. We travel to NZ often and have no problems packing for a month in one suitcase. We pack as if we're traveling for a week, then do laundry as we go.
I don't know what kind of hiking equipment you've got in mind, but perhaps it's something you can rent while in NZ so you don't have to pack it(?)
As far as specific clothing, on every trip to NZ we've packed a fleece and a waterproof layer that fits over the fleece. We've taken hats and mittens on a few trips as well, but seldom use them.
We pack the fleece and/or waterproof layer in our carry on bags so we have them in case our luggage goes missing (which seems to happen to us ALOT regardless of airline).
As far as airlines...
We travel on Singapore Air often and they've never given us grief over our checked or carry on luggage, but that's due in part to our frequent flyer status with Star Alliance.
We've also traveled on Air NZ several times (also a Star Alliance partner) and in almost every case, they've given us a hard time over our carry on luggage, so we've learned to be really, really conservative with our carry on bags.
Personally, I'd choose Singapore Air over Air NZ in a minute. No contest IMO.
The luggage policies are explained on the following sites:
http://www.airnz.co.nz/travelinfo/ba...in_baggage.htm
http://www.singaporeair.com/saa/en_U..._allowance.jsp
Good luck!
Are you a member of any airline frequent flyer program? If so, you'd do well to fly with them or a partner and perhaps get an extra luggage allotment depending on your member status.
If not, you'll have to pack conservatively. We travel to NZ often and have no problems packing for a month in one suitcase. We pack as if we're traveling for a week, then do laundry as we go.
I don't know what kind of hiking equipment you've got in mind, but perhaps it's something you can rent while in NZ so you don't have to pack it(?)
As far as specific clothing, on every trip to NZ we've packed a fleece and a waterproof layer that fits over the fleece. We've taken hats and mittens on a few trips as well, but seldom use them.
We pack the fleece and/or waterproof layer in our carry on bags so we have them in case our luggage goes missing (which seems to happen to us ALOT regardless of airline).
As far as airlines...
We travel on Singapore Air often and they've never given us grief over our checked or carry on luggage, but that's due in part to our frequent flyer status with Star Alliance.
We've also traveled on Air NZ several times (also a Star Alliance partner) and in almost every case, they've given us a hard time over our carry on luggage, so we've learned to be really, really conservative with our carry on bags.
Personally, I'd choose Singapore Air over Air NZ in a minute. No contest IMO.
The luggage policies are explained on the following sites:
http://www.airnz.co.nz/travelinfo/ba...in_baggage.htm
http://www.singaporeair.com/saa/en_U..._allowance.jsp
Good luck!
Feb 8th, 2006, 06:47 PM
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I agree with Melnq8 about Singapore Airlines they are by far the better airline.
Air NZ baggage is 20kg EACH not as someone said above at 44KG EACH.
If you fly Singapore Airlines they have fantastic stopover deals for Singapore and if you have not been there it would suggest it for a rest and for interest. The airport is the most efficient in the World taking about 1/2hour from touchdown to being out on the street. Its the cleanest city in the world and a great eye opener for people from Europe who think its third world like my in-laws.
Another idea would be to send your extras on in advance and pick them up in Auckland when you get there.
The last time I flew AirNZ I cannot remember if there was extra leg room or not but there were no lights, no radio, no TV connection and absolutely no electricity for any of us in our section and no one cared two hoots. Not my idea of a great airline.
Air NZ baggage is 20kg EACH not as someone said above at 44KG EACH.
If you fly Singapore Airlines they have fantastic stopover deals for Singapore and if you have not been there it would suggest it for a rest and for interest. The airport is the most efficient in the World taking about 1/2hour from touchdown to being out on the street. Its the cleanest city in the world and a great eye opener for people from Europe who think its third world like my in-laws.
Another idea would be to send your extras on in advance and pick them up in Auckland when you get there.
The last time I flew AirNZ I cannot remember if there was extra leg room or not but there were no lights, no radio, no TV connection and absolutely no electricity for any of us in our section and no one cared two hoots. Not my idea of a great airline.
Feb 9th, 2006, 04:54 AM
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Lizf wrote 'Air NZ baggage is 20kg EACH not as someone said above at 44KG EACH. '
I actually wrote it and your giving out incorrect information, your experience is probably between NZ and Australia not UK and NZ.
If you had bothered to click on the above post you'd have seen it but I'll post part it anyway, this is valid until the end of March.
> Flights to/from the USA, Canada or Tahiti
> Flights between New Zealand and London via
Los Angeles:
All Classes 2 pieces, each up to
32kg (70 lbs)
The total is 64kg after March it changes to 46kg quite a difference from your 20kg.
I think Singapore is a far better airline than Air NZ but the OP's main concern were with her luggage allowance and Air NZ seems to offer an attractive alternative.
Geordie
I actually wrote it and your giving out incorrect information, your experience is probably between NZ and Australia not UK and NZ.
If you had bothered to click on the above post you'd have seen it but I'll post part it anyway, this is valid until the end of March.
> Flights to/from the USA, Canada or Tahiti
> Flights between New Zealand and London via
Los Angeles:
All Classes 2 pieces, each up to
32kg (70 lbs)
The total is 64kg after March it changes to 46kg quite a difference from your 20kg.
I think Singapore is a far better airline than Air NZ but the OP's main concern were with her luggage allowance and Air NZ seems to offer an attractive alternative.
Geordie
Feb 9th, 2006, 12:50 PM
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Hi Maria
As has been noted it depends on which way you are going as to what you can carry.
Via Asia 20kgs (with a little leeway for an extra 1 or 2 kg)
Most all airlines that fly via North America offer the two bags luggage rights. That is two bags of around 23kgs (roughly 50lbs) each. Some airlines used to offer up to 70lbs each, but complaints about injuries to baggage handlers are reducing this as an option.
Because the baggage allowance is higher via North America, airlines build the anticipated increase in cost of carrying you (Mainly more fuel required to carry a heavier load) into their ticket prices. Hence the 200 differential you have noted.
As for which airline. I have flown both AirNZ and Singapore direct between the UK and NZ. Infact last May I flew with Singapore from Manchester to Auckland in economy. That was my most recent trip.
It was a great trip. By far my best experience on this run which I have done around 10 times now. The seats were comfortable, the food was good. Bearing in mind I like meals like noodles for breakfast, not everyones idea of a nice meal. The AVOD was great, I caught many a missed movie and TV show on the flight.
I was also selected to complate one of their passenger feedback forms, so I took the opportunity to let them know all of the above.
Also to note is that you transit via Changi and not the hellhole that is LAX. Therefore your stress levels will be greatly reduced. Connection times are good via Changi too. Enough time to get off, stretch your legs, do a little retail therapy, down a Tiger beer and then back on for your next leg.
As for Air NZ. They too are a great airline. The service on board is generally of a good standard, very informal and relaxed but friendly. If you get off sober you are doing well. If you get one of their newer planes or one of their refitted, which you should do by October, you will have AVOD on board and the option of going for Economy Plus which offers 40" pitch as oppossed to the normal 34" pitch. (32" on their 777's) Which as standard beats most other airlines standard of 30-31" pitch.
I hope this helps in your decision making.
I know from my own experience of travelling long haul. Very rarely do you end up using all you pack and in the end you are just a chauffeur for your luggage. Pack light and take a credit card.
Geordie, ignore LizF. At any possible moment she will take the oppportunity to have ago at Air NZ or NZ in generally never letting the facts get in the way of a bit of a stir.
As has been noted it depends on which way you are going as to what you can carry.
Via Asia 20kgs (with a little leeway for an extra 1 or 2 kg)
Most all airlines that fly via North America offer the two bags luggage rights. That is two bags of around 23kgs (roughly 50lbs) each. Some airlines used to offer up to 70lbs each, but complaints about injuries to baggage handlers are reducing this as an option.
Because the baggage allowance is higher via North America, airlines build the anticipated increase in cost of carrying you (Mainly more fuel required to carry a heavier load) into their ticket prices. Hence the 200 differential you have noted.
As for which airline. I have flown both AirNZ and Singapore direct between the UK and NZ. Infact last May I flew with Singapore from Manchester to Auckland in economy. That was my most recent trip.
It was a great trip. By far my best experience on this run which I have done around 10 times now. The seats were comfortable, the food was good. Bearing in mind I like meals like noodles for breakfast, not everyones idea of a nice meal. The AVOD was great, I caught many a missed movie and TV show on the flight.
I was also selected to complate one of their passenger feedback forms, so I took the opportunity to let them know all of the above.
Also to note is that you transit via Changi and not the hellhole that is LAX. Therefore your stress levels will be greatly reduced. Connection times are good via Changi too. Enough time to get off, stretch your legs, do a little retail therapy, down a Tiger beer and then back on for your next leg.
As for Air NZ. They too are a great airline. The service on board is generally of a good standard, very informal and relaxed but friendly. If you get off sober you are doing well. If you get one of their newer planes or one of their refitted, which you should do by October, you will have AVOD on board and the option of going for Economy Plus which offers 40" pitch as oppossed to the normal 34" pitch. (32" on their 777's) Which as standard beats most other airlines standard of 30-31" pitch.
I hope this helps in your decision making.
I know from my own experience of travelling long haul. Very rarely do you end up using all you pack and in the end you are just a chauffeur for your luggage. Pack light and take a credit card.
Geordie, ignore LizF. At any possible moment she will take the oppportunity to have ago at Air NZ or NZ in generally never letting the facts get in the way of a bit of a stir.
Feb 9th, 2006, 04:03 PM
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Don't know that Liz's preference for one airline over Air New Zealand reflects her opinion of the whole country. Having also travelled on both airlines, I do agree with her. But would have thought even 20kg is sufficient, last time I went to NZ for three weeks that limit was fine and included hiking boots - I did buy a couple of jumpers there but still didn't exceed the baggage limit on return journey. Extra luggage is just a pain.
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Kiwi, I guess you will continue to argue that AirNZ is wonderful when it does not get bailed out by your
Government for the last time. I make statements about airlines and anything else on their performance or lack of it, not because I feel like it or because I am being snide, as you suggest.
Further if Maria H wishes to pack 44KG of baggage per person then I am really glad that it will be her purse and not mine that will be hit. Perhaps the other poster who says not to listen to my 20Kg would like to be available with the excess money for overweight baggage in economy seats.
If anyone can produce an International notation from anywhere that AirNZ has been given an award for excellance I would be interested to see it. For my money it ranks with Garuda Airlines and Aeromexico.
Government for the last time. I make statements about airlines and anything else on their performance or lack of it, not because I feel like it or because I am being snide, as you suggest.
Further if Maria H wishes to pack 44KG of baggage per person then I am really glad that it will be her purse and not mine that will be hit. Perhaps the other poster who says not to listen to my 20Kg would like to be available with the excess money for overweight baggage in economy seats.
If anyone can produce an International notation from anywhere that AirNZ has been given an award for excellance I would be interested to see it. For my money it ranks with Garuda Airlines and Aeromexico.
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Hi Liz
Just to help you out this is the baggage allowance for travel accross the USA to NZ.
The only way Maria could get from the UK to NZ on Air New Zealand, unless she booked codeshare on Singapore via Singapore from Manchester (Which I do realise is an option)
Excerpt from Air New Zealand site.
> Flights to/from the USA, Canada or Tahiti
> Flights between New Zealand and London via
Los Angeles:
All Classes 2 pieces, each up to
32kg (70 lbs)
Star Alliance Gold Customers
(including Airpoints Gold and
Gold Elite) 1 additional piece per person
Under this piece system, each piece of baggage must not exceed 32kg (70 lbs) and have total dimensions (length + width + height) no greater than 158cm (61"
. Infants are permitted one piece of baggage plus either an infant's car seat or a collapsible umbrella stroller (until 26 March 2006).
For tickets purchased from 12 March 2006
From 26 March 2006, all passengers travelling in Economy or Premium Economy who have been ticketed after 12 March 2006 will be entitled to two pieces with a maximum of 23kg (50lbs) per piece. The allowance for Business Class will remain at a maximum of 32kg (70 lbs) per bag.
Additionally, from 26 March 2006, infants will be entitled to the same baggage allowance as the accompanying passenger, including car seats and strollers, but they will not be entitled to any additional allowances linked to the accompanying passengers frequent flyer tier status.
If connecting to or from a flight on United Airlines, Lufthansa or Air Canada, please note there is a maximum weight limit of 23kg (50lbs) per piece for Economy customers
http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/trave...in_baggage.htm
I trust this clarifies the position for you.
So liz, once again, please do not give out incorrect info as it does not help people on this board.
By the way. Apparently Garuda is a much improved airline. never flown them myself but have read the reviews on Airline Equality.
You may wish to read this.
http://www.airlinequality.com/Forum/garuda.htm
As I say, I have never flown with them so I cannot attest to the reviews accuracy. But given that it is sponsored by Skytrax I would suggets there is some level of subjectivity to the contents.
Cheers
Just to help you out this is the baggage allowance for travel accross the USA to NZ.
The only way Maria could get from the UK to NZ on Air New Zealand, unless she booked codeshare on Singapore via Singapore from Manchester (Which I do realise is an option)
Excerpt from Air New Zealand site.
> Flights to/from the USA, Canada or Tahiti
> Flights between New Zealand and London via
Los Angeles:
All Classes 2 pieces, each up to
32kg (70 lbs)
Star Alliance Gold Customers
(including Airpoints Gold and
Gold Elite) 1 additional piece per person
Under this piece system, each piece of baggage must not exceed 32kg (70 lbs) and have total dimensions (length + width + height) no greater than 158cm (61"
. Infants are permitted one piece of baggage plus either an infant's car seat or a collapsible umbrella stroller (until 26 March 2006).For tickets purchased from 12 March 2006
From 26 March 2006, all passengers travelling in Economy or Premium Economy who have been ticketed after 12 March 2006 will be entitled to two pieces with a maximum of 23kg (50lbs) per piece. The allowance for Business Class will remain at a maximum of 32kg (70 lbs) per bag.
Additionally, from 26 March 2006, infants will be entitled to the same baggage allowance as the accompanying passenger, including car seats and strollers, but they will not be entitled to any additional allowances linked to the accompanying passengers frequent flyer tier status.
If connecting to or from a flight on United Airlines, Lufthansa or Air Canada, please note there is a maximum weight limit of 23kg (50lbs) per piece for Economy customers
http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/trave...in_baggage.htm
I trust this clarifies the position for you.
So liz, once again, please do not give out incorrect info as it does not help people on this board.
By the way. Apparently Garuda is a much improved airline. never flown them myself but have read the reviews on Airline Equality.
You may wish to read this.
http://www.airlinequality.com/Forum/garuda.htm
As I say, I have never flown with them so I cannot attest to the reviews accuracy. But given that it is sponsored by Skytrax I would suggets there is some level of subjectivity to the contents.
Cheers
Feb 9th, 2006, 11:32 PM
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As myself and kiwi_acct have stated you are giving out incorrect information.
You still maintain its 20kg, please could you provide a link to prove your argument or simply admit your wrong
Geordie
As myself and kiwi_acct have stated you are giving out incorrect information.
You still maintain its 20kg, please could you provide a link to prove your argument or simply admit your wrong
Geordie
Feb 9th, 2006, 11:45 PM
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Thanks for all your replies. I think perhaps I need to rethink my packing - I was thinking of our trip to Canada last year where we had a 30kg allowance after paying for a premium seat - but that was on a low cost airline and I can't afford business class! We don't need 2 suitcases each, it was just the bulk of the boots that concerned me, for Canada we had 1 extra holdall type bag between us with boots waterproofs, etc.
Singapore airlines is looking good, especially after reading how even transit passengers are now photographed and fingerprinted at LA
Nothing to hide, it's just the principle of it. Is the stopover in Singapore worth doing? Thanks again, Maria
Singapore airlines is looking good, especially after reading how even transit passengers are now photographed and fingerprinted at LA
Nothing to hide, it's just the principle of it. Is the stopover in Singapore worth doing? Thanks again, Maria
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Hi once again Maria
Going via Singapore on Singapore would be good for you insofar as you only have one stop.
There are two flights daily from Singapore to Auckland, (As far as I am aware though there is only one per day Manchester to Singapore). When booking try to get the flight to Auckland that uses the 777. The other flight is on a 747. The 777 is a slightly more comfortable option.
If you are travelling straight through I think you will find you will be on the 777 anyway. (Though I believe a 747 is now used on the Manchester Singapore leg). If you take the second Singapore - Auckland flight the layover is around 11 hours (as opposed to one hour on the other, straight through, option). During this time you could take a tour of the city, chill out in the airport exec lounge (Singapore dollar 30 from memory, all you can eat, showers, softdrinks, internet) use the free internet, shop to your hearts content, literally acres of stores, or you could take a day room at the airport and sleep.
You could alternatively stay overnight and do the city, take a night tour of the zoo, drink a Singapore sling at Raffles and impress your mates back home.
But it does come back to your allowance. 20 kgs can sound like a bummer but remember New Zealand is a pretty casual country, you do not have to pack a party dress and heels for dining out here. Your day wear can become evening wear fairly easily.
Also as suggested before, wear your hiking boots on board, once airborne change in to the socks provided by Singapore Airlines. Its wise to have sensible footwear on a plane anyway should the unexpected happen.
Going via Singapore on Singapore would be good for you insofar as you only have one stop.
There are two flights daily from Singapore to Auckland, (As far as I am aware though there is only one per day Manchester to Singapore). When booking try to get the flight to Auckland that uses the 777. The other flight is on a 747. The 777 is a slightly more comfortable option.
If you are travelling straight through I think you will find you will be on the 777 anyway. (Though I believe a 747 is now used on the Manchester Singapore leg). If you take the second Singapore - Auckland flight the layover is around 11 hours (as opposed to one hour on the other, straight through, option). During this time you could take a tour of the city, chill out in the airport exec lounge (Singapore dollar 30 from memory, all you can eat, showers, softdrinks, internet) use the free internet, shop to your hearts content, literally acres of stores, or you could take a day room at the airport and sleep.
You could alternatively stay overnight and do the city, take a night tour of the zoo, drink a Singapore sling at Raffles and impress your mates back home.
But it does come back to your allowance. 20 kgs can sound like a bummer but remember New Zealand is a pretty casual country, you do not have to pack a party dress and heels for dining out here. Your day wear can become evening wear fairly easily.
Also as suggested before, wear your hiking boots on board, once airborne change in to the socks provided by Singapore Airlines. Its wise to have sensible footwear on a plane anyway should the unexpected happen.
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Two things:
1. Singapore Airlines is great. They offer Singapore stopover packages when you fly with them that are unbelievable value. We were fairly casual in Singapore due to the heat.
2. I moved countries (NZ - UK) and weighed in at 17kg + hand luggage. You can do it too. Honest.
From my travelling experiences you end up wearing 10% of your clothes 90% of the time.
1. Singapore Airlines is great. They offer Singapore stopover packages when you fly with them that are unbelievable value. We were fairly casual in Singapore due to the heat.
2. I moved countries (NZ - UK) and weighed in at 17kg + hand luggage. You can do it too. Honest.
From my travelling experiences you end up wearing 10% of your clothes 90% of the time.
