What to do? -Southwest flight attendant makes a mixed drink & takes into cockpit!
Aug 7th, 2004, 08:39 AM
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Walter: Let's leave it to the fact that you are in no way familiar with an investigation of this sort, okay? I am.
Once again, all Deblynn has to do is call on the FAA hotline and report the matter-THAT IS WHAT THIS FAA HOTLINE IS FOR- her phone call will be returned, and she will be told what information she needs to provide, and the FAA will take it from there, period, end of story.
Once again, all Deblynn has to do is call on the FAA hotline and report the matter-THAT IS WHAT THIS FAA HOTLINE IS FOR- her phone call will be returned, and she will be told what information she needs to provide, and the FAA will take it from there, period, end of story.
Aug 7th, 2004, 08:43 AM
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Kikahead, no these questions are not the basis of cognitive interviewing. The Cognitive Interview was developed in the USA in 1985 by Geiselmann and Fisher and is a systematic approach to interviewing witnesses. It is designed to enhance the completeness and accuracy of witness recall without causing the witness to make "reconstructive" errors. It consists of 4 general memory retrieval techniques - Free Recall, Contextual Reinstatement, Recalling the evnts in a different order, and recalling the events in a different order.
Research has shown that a witness remembers only 28% of what has occured, by using the cognitive interview technique this can be increased to about 40%.
The questions that I have suggested form the basis of testing an eye witnesses evidence not recalling it.
I would find them useful in deciding what weight to put on the reliability of a report, affidavit or witness statement. The basis of this is a stated case in English Law (R v Turnbull) - which concerns itself with the reliability of eye witness evidence and the caution a Jury individual or tribunal should take when assessing such evcidence
Research has shown that a witness remembers only 28% of what has occured, by using the cognitive interview technique this can be increased to about 40%.
The questions that I have suggested form the basis of testing an eye witnesses evidence not recalling it.
I would find them useful in deciding what weight to put on the reliability of a report, affidavit or witness statement. The basis of this is a stated case in English Law (R v Turnbull) - which concerns itself with the reliability of eye witness evidence and the caution a Jury individual or tribunal should take when assessing such evcidence
Aug 7th, 2004, 09:14 AM
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Spygirl, you say-
"Message: Walter: Let's leave it to the fact that you are in no way familiar with an investigation of this sort, okay? I am. "
Because you do seem to post on these matters quite frequently and at great length, could you satisfy some curious I wanna know types and tell us how you are more familiar with investigations of this sort?
Thanks~
"Message: Walter: Let's leave it to the fact that you are in no way familiar with an investigation of this sort, okay? I am. "
Because you do seem to post on these matters quite frequently and at great length, could you satisfy some curious I wanna know types and tell us how you are more familiar with investigations of this sort?
Thanks~
Aug 7th, 2004, 09:37 AM
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I think you have a valid concern. I would feel the same way as you if I had witnessed that. I would definitely report it. There have been a few instances (that we know about) in the last year or two of drunk pilots getting ready for a flight. It is very possible the drink was for the pilot. Even if the flight attendant consumed the drink, he shouldn't be doing so while on the job.
I say report it!!!
I say report it!!!
Aug 7th, 2004, 10:29 AM
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To anyone who thinks this could not possibly be true, remember the Northwest pilots who got drunk in an airport bar in front of everyone then boarded the plane and flew it? I worked with a woman several years ago who use to be a flight attendant. She said she went in cockpits and once witnessed both pilots Sleeping!
Aug 7th, 2004, 10:41 AM
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Why would a Captain or First officer risk his or her life, the lives of a plane full of people, a six figure salary, retirement, and benefits for a cocktail? If someone is going to be that stupid and drink, they would at least try and HIDE IT instead of having someone else make cocktails for them.
Debbie, how did you know it was vodka?
They use mini bottles on the planes and there is no way you can read the writing on a minibottle from a foot away let alone ten feet away.
Debbie, how did you know it was vodka?
They use mini bottles on the planes and there is no way you can read the writing on a minibottle from a foot away let alone ten feet away.
Aug 7th, 2004, 10:41 AM
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Oh puhhleeaaze. This is such a waste of energy.
Deblynn couldn't describe half the details necessary to reconstruct the incident, and even if she could, what is there to investigate?
No one records what goes into and out of the cockpit. There's no 'drink log'.
It would be her word against the word of the flight attendants and pilots on duty IF an alcohol containing drink was even involved in the first place.
Deblynn couldn't describe half the details necessary to reconstruct the incident, and even if she could, what is there to investigate?
No one records what goes into and out of the cockpit. There's no 'drink log'.
It would be her word against the word of the flight attendants and pilots on duty IF an alcohol containing drink was even involved in the first place.
Aug 7th, 2004, 10:53 AM
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Too bad Deblynn didn't have a video recorder running. It her eyes saw it, the recorder would see it. As for not being able to read the label on the little bottle it doesn't matter. Its alcohol. But after all is said and done I am more disturbed that the cockpit door is opened so often.
Aug 7th, 2004, 12:30 PM
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"Why would a Captain or First officer risk his or her life, the lives of a plane full of people, a six figure salary, retirement, and benefits for a cocktail?"
Ask Taandori Girl's uncle about that one.
TG that makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up!
A few years ago I read that the top 10 most stressful careers included pilots and air traffic controllers, hence a larger rate of alcoholism and suicide. Doctors were listed among that group and I know several who have, or have had serious alcohol and drug abuse problemsn.
Finally--Walter are you a lawyer?
Ask Taandori Girl's uncle about that one.
TG that makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up!
A few years ago I read that the top 10 most stressful careers included pilots and air traffic controllers, hence a larger rate of alcoholism and suicide. Doctors were listed among that group and I know several who have, or have had serious alcohol and drug abuse problemsn.
Finally--Walter are you a lawyer?
Aug 7th, 2004, 04:45 PM
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Yikes! Are all you people nuts? She doesn't know exactly what she saw. She doesn't know who got what she said she saw. There was no problem with the flight. There is so much more to worry about in this life.
Aug 8th, 2004, 06:46 AM
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""Why would a Captain or First officer risk his or her life, the lives of a plane full of people, a six figure salary, retirement, and benefits for a cocktail?""
1. Read Tandoori Girl's post above.
2. Read this article about the America West Pilots who were drunk before boarding their flight:
www.cnn.com/2002/US/07/02/america.west.dui/
1. Read Tandoori Girl's post above.
2. Read this article about the America West Pilots who were drunk before boarding their flight:
www.cnn.com/2002/US/07/02/america.west.dui/
Aug 8th, 2004, 08:13 AM
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Suppose everything that Deblynn reported DID happen? In that case I want to bring up her words:
"Of course, the rest of my family did not want to stand in line after the flight to make a full report and use valuable vacation time."
Well this is a fine and dandy time to bring the incident up! Suppose the pilot WAS on the way to getting sloshed? Suppose it were the NEXT leg of his scheduled flight that the effects of the alcohol finally took effect? Because Deblyn "of course ... didn't want to stand in line" there could have been a major catastrophe.
I personally doubt anything really did happen - maybe it was a different beverage taken in there, or maybe not served to an on-duty pilot, but no matter what, accusations now are only that, and with no way to verify blood alcohol content. Failure to bring the suspicions up immediatly upon landing was as irresponsible as the alledged drinking.
"Of course, the rest of my family did not want to stand in line after the flight to make a full report and use valuable vacation time."
Well this is a fine and dandy time to bring the incident up! Suppose the pilot WAS on the way to getting sloshed? Suppose it were the NEXT leg of his scheduled flight that the effects of the alcohol finally took effect? Because Deblyn "of course ... didn't want to stand in line" there could have been a major catastrophe.
I personally doubt anything really did happen - maybe it was a different beverage taken in there, or maybe not served to an on-duty pilot, but no matter what, accusations now are only that, and with no way to verify blood alcohol content. Failure to bring the suspicions up immediatly upon landing was as irresponsible as the alledged drinking.
