What is your education level, and does this relate to type/frequency of travel?
Jan 31st, 2003, 09:53 PM
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I myself have an advanced college degree. And I have travelled to over 75 countries. Thinking only of those I know (relatives, friends, co-workers) I would say that IN GENERAL those with college educations travel more often, especially to foreign locales. My sister who never went to college has never left the US but my other siblings who all did have been on foreign shores
numerous times.
numerous times.
Feb 1st, 2003, 12:42 AM
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hi..i went to a very pricey university,on the west coast...and became a better person. With that,i have attained very high status within my community and am well respected. I consider myself a world traveller. I have been to 81 countries,and am well versed in 8 languages..yes,my schooling has allowed me to travel. The pitfalls are many however. I have to stand in the same lines as common folk inorder to be seated on an airplane,eat at subpar 3star restaurants from time to time,and detest having to ourchase insurance when travelling to various middle class countries....Iam very gifted in life...cherish my alpha psi tetra chaps...and ohhh..have i travelled...iam a better person than most for it....OKAY...does this not sound like aguy who needs a real vacation???....truth is iam joe average,love travel,been to alot of great locations...and believe every human being should have that right...and they do. Its called saving money to travel,and they usually ahve abetter sense of adventure than Timmy stanford...and that is the simple truth...wow,does that pompous guy have enough time to read average travel board messages???..iam olsen1503,Have a good day
Feb 1st, 2003, 03:48 AM
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Third try here, have to say the bugginess of this board can make a nice person cranky. So I'll try not to be too cranky here. But I find the anti-intellectual streak here as offensive as the sweeping generalizations.
Think about what it takes to travel and what traveling actually may be. Everyone seems to agree that money is required. Do people with more education have more money? Often, insofar as they probably needed more money to get the education in the first place. But the truth is, ours is a culture that doesn't reward scholarly people, so the very VERY educated end up with much less money than a lot of other people. Of course, some with professional education -- notably lawyers, surgeons, not to mention all those MBAs -- make the bucks, but PhDs and MEds are struggling compared to even entry-level workers at a place like Microsoft. Meanwhile, we have many very wealthy people in the US who never made it through college.
Does education affect how/why you travel? Well, presumably everyone likes some R&R and entertainment, regardless of their education. And a lot of jobs require business travel, although a PhD traveling to Kansas City for an academic meeting is having a very different experience than an exec traveling 1st class to London for a business appointment.
Traveling for adventure and culture is a taste developed by anyone who likes broader horizons. Who develops that taste? Well, there are the sports and outing enthusiasts, who may or may not have gotten into their sports in college. Then there are the arts and other-cultures people, who may or may not have studied architecture or art or foreign cultures or languages in college. In both cases, wouldn't it be just as plausible to say that the kind of people who want those broader horizons, who like to travel and explore and experience, are the kind of people who might also get themselves more education within the walls of an institution of higher learning? In other words, travel-minded people are the sort that get educated (the inverse of educated people become travel-minded).
So, Tansy, no: more education does NOT equal more money, but maybe you need more money to get education. Does more money equal more travel? Of course. As to what is "imaginative" travel, I think education can qualify as another kind of journey of the imagination, and/but anyone who has the money can be a "self-taught" imaginative traveler, with or without the time spent in a library or classroom. But often it's the same people in the first place.
Think about what it takes to travel and what traveling actually may be. Everyone seems to agree that money is required. Do people with more education have more money? Often, insofar as they probably needed more money to get the education in the first place. But the truth is, ours is a culture that doesn't reward scholarly people, so the very VERY educated end up with much less money than a lot of other people. Of course, some with professional education -- notably lawyers, surgeons, not to mention all those MBAs -- make the bucks, but PhDs and MEds are struggling compared to even entry-level workers at a place like Microsoft. Meanwhile, we have many very wealthy people in the US who never made it through college.
Does education affect how/why you travel? Well, presumably everyone likes some R&R and entertainment, regardless of their education. And a lot of jobs require business travel, although a PhD traveling to Kansas City for an academic meeting is having a very different experience than an exec traveling 1st class to London for a business appointment.
Traveling for adventure and culture is a taste developed by anyone who likes broader horizons. Who develops that taste? Well, there are the sports and outing enthusiasts, who may or may not have gotten into their sports in college. Then there are the arts and other-cultures people, who may or may not have studied architecture or art or foreign cultures or languages in college. In both cases, wouldn't it be just as plausible to say that the kind of people who want those broader horizons, who like to travel and explore and experience, are the kind of people who might also get themselves more education within the walls of an institution of higher learning? In other words, travel-minded people are the sort that get educated (the inverse of educated people become travel-minded).
So, Tansy, no: more education does NOT equal more money, but maybe you need more money to get education. Does more money equal more travel? Of course. As to what is "imaginative" travel, I think education can qualify as another kind of journey of the imagination, and/but anyone who has the money can be a "self-taught" imaginative traveler, with or without the time spent in a library or classroom. But often it's the same people in the first place.
Feb 1st, 2003, 03:55 AM
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When I first started traveling when I was younger and still in school, it seemed like I had every problem in the book. I'd forget to bring along items of clothing, I'd get so darned frustrated on the trip to where ever I was going, sometimes I'd even get sick to my stomach while traveling.
Then about the time I started second grade....
This is a silly question.
Then about the time I started second grade....
This is a silly question.
Feb 1st, 2003, 06:28 AM
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No, I don't see the relationship. I have both an BA and an MA, and love to travel. My husband does not have a degree, and his love of travel is as great as mine. He, in fact, is more well-travelled than me due to his job and the fact that his parents travelled extensively when he was young. Mind did not. I think love of travel has more to do with personality and the desire to try new things - neither of which is guaranteed through college.
Feb 1st, 2003, 07:59 AM
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Education has a lot to do with my love of travel. Grade school education. A lot of the places I go to now are the places I visited in American and World History books. Those books and modes of transportation, cars, trains, planes, are what makes me want to go, go, go.
Feb 1st, 2003, 09:32 AM
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I don't really think that education has anything to do with imaginative travel.
When I have travelled to more esoteric places, the people I have met have as often as not not had a college degree. If travel is your primary focus then you aren't likely to prioritise education or a conventional career.
I think sometimes that education can lead people to get stuck to demanding jobs, which restrict vaction time.
When I have travelled to more esoteric places, the people I have met have as often as not not had a college degree. If travel is your primary focus then you aren't likely to prioritise education or a conventional career.
I think sometimes that education can lead people to get stuck to demanding jobs, which restrict vaction time.
Feb 1st, 2003, 09:52 AM
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My desire to travel came long before my college education.My education has nothing to do with what I am doing in life,meaning my "career",making the living.Maybe it will someday, maybe it wont.I see no correlation between the 2.I "travel" from Point A to Point B for "work".My work may be done in 1 day.Any remaining time before I return to Point A,I educate myself about where I am--in Point B.
Feb 1st, 2003, 10:59 AM
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When I was still in High school and didn't have much money at all, I traveled. While in college, it was harder to afford travel and the time it took. Now that I am an adult with my own time and money, we travel. None of it has anything to do with our education.
I lived in a small town as a kid, I was raring to get out! Perhaps that has something to do with people wanting to travel, not their education, just the urge to explore.
I lived in a small town as a kid, I was raring to get out! Perhaps that has something to do with people wanting to travel, not their education, just the urge to explore.
Feb 1st, 2003, 11:08 AM
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I agree w/ NY Girl. I too was raised in a small town and couldn't wait to get out. I was dead broke until after college but I still saw a good amount of the US in my early years. I think the desire to travel is something you're born with or acquire. Of course now that we're older and earn more we are able to travel out of the country more but you can scrimp and save at almost any income, and not having children enables us to travel more. I know a glot of college and grad, med school educated people and many of them do not travel due to restrictions with their families or do not have the desire to visit new locales. Of course, having more money makes travel easier but if you have the travel bug you can go just about anywhere with a little leg work.
Feb 1st, 2003, 11:23 AM
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I am glad this thread hasn't turned into a lot of nastiness as it would have on the old forum. But for the life of me I can't imagine why anyone would ask such a question. It is asking for trouble, and such generalizations that it asks people to make can provide no good results.
Feb 2nd, 2003, 03:01 AM
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EdnaB and RnR, I see we still have the people complaining about subject matter. Why question what someone posts? Are you the new(old) forum police that tried to decide whether or not a question was appropriate?
Feb 2nd, 2003, 05:22 AM
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I take issue with the question and the assumption within. I do not attempt to dispute the sincerity of poster's comments and questions.
I am very upset at Fodors for removing my post from yesterday afternoon. [BTW, previously Fodor's stated they do not remove individual posts; I applaud your policy shift now, although I wish you applied a different filter in this case.]
Clearly, I was using wit, sarcasm and facetiousness to emphasize my opinion - that the question is 'minimally' unusual an non-specific and maximally 'inflammatory'.
May I suggest to the poster that you check out some of the web sites with data on :income/education data (the census), mobility and leisure (travel industry itself and financial institutions travel industry analysts)
I am very upset at Fodors for removing my post from yesterday afternoon. [BTW, previously Fodor's stated they do not remove individual posts; I applaud your policy shift now, although I wish you applied a different filter in this case.]
Clearly, I was using wit, sarcasm and facetiousness to emphasize my opinion - that the question is 'minimally' unusual an non-specific and maximally 'inflammatory'.
May I suggest to the poster that you check out some of the web sites with data on :income/education data (the census), mobility and leisure (travel industry itself and financial institutions travel industry analysts)
Feb 2nd, 2003, 05:23 AM
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There are some good nuggets from various angles here. I especially liked Cassandra's take on it. People travel for different reasons; some relating to a desire to learn and others more for simple "R&R". The original question touches on that because it asks about the type/frequency of travel.
In our own situation, we did some amount of travel but our grade school daughter (at that time) is the one who influenced us to take it to a whole new level. Her level of education was obviously not high at that time, but her desire to see, experience and learn about things was already firmly in place. She's in college now. The desire to learn more about things can result in people gravitating toward travel and also toward obtaining more formal education. That said, formal education and obtaining credentials are only one form of learning so the connection and how it plays out with individuals resists generalizing too broadly.
In our own situation, we did some amount of travel but our grade school daughter (at that time) is the one who influenced us to take it to a whole new level. Her level of education was obviously not high at that time, but her desire to see, experience and learn about things was already firmly in place. She's in college now. The desire to learn more about things can result in people gravitating toward travel and also toward obtaining more formal education. That said, formal education and obtaining credentials are only one form of learning so the connection and how it plays out with individuals resists generalizing too broadly.
Feb 2nd, 2003, 06:41 AM
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"I see we still have people complaining about subject matter".
You misunderstand me. I'm not complaining about this thread -- go ahead. I was merely questioning what possible value such a bigoted question could possibly achieve?
It is amazing to me that some people think its terrible that anyone be allowed to post a negative response to a question (like mine to this one) yet those same people are the ones saying that negative posts and threads should be allowed. Certainly seems like a double standard to me.
"It is OK for ME to post a negative thread, but nobody should be allowed to disagree with my negativity." WHAT?
You misunderstand me. I'm not complaining about this thread -- go ahead. I was merely questioning what possible value such a bigoted question could possibly achieve?
It is amazing to me that some people think its terrible that anyone be allowed to post a negative response to a question (like mine to this one) yet those same people are the ones saying that negative posts and threads should be allowed. Certainly seems like a double standard to me.
"It is OK for ME to post a negative thread, but nobody should be allowed to disagree with my negativity." WHAT?
