Too late for a Flu shot?
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Too late for a Flu shot?
Just 2 weeks ago I had no plans but now, starting Jan 3, I will be traveling for 6 weeks straight. Vail, Houston, NYC and Denver. I know I will be around a bunch of 'bugs' and made a last minute appt today to get a flu shot.
I wonder if it is useless at this point...?
I also got some Airborne and antibacterial hand gel.
That's about all I can do, I suppose.
I am not one to go overboard on this stuff but I got the flu last year (no shot) and it was just horrible. Hoping to take all precautions this year.
Any thoughts?
~Happy New Year~
I wonder if it is useless at this point...?
I also got some Airborne and antibacterial hand gel.
That's about all I can do, I suppose.
I am not one to go overboard on this stuff but I got the flu last year (no shot) and it was just horrible. Hoping to take all precautions this year.
Any thoughts?
~Happy New Year~
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No a flu shot isn't useless this late, it will take a few days for your body to obtain immunity after getting the shot but you could still get the flu through the winter, so the shot would be helpful if you think you will be exposed to it.
The flu is a virus, so antibacterial hand gels do nothing to combat catching the flu or a cold (and personally, I don't think Airborne will help either although some people do swear by it). Obviously, the best bet is not to be near people who are ill or and don't let them cough on you. In addition, try not to touch your nose or your eyes unless your hands are clean. Also, avoid touching door knobs in public places. Whenever I sign credit/debit card statements now, I use my own pen instead of the merchant's because I think of how many dozens of people, maybe some with a virus, who have used that pen before me. Call me paranoid but I haven't had the flu in years and have rarely had a flu shot.
Andrew
The flu is a virus, so antibacterial hand gels do nothing to combat catching the flu or a cold (and personally, I don't think Airborne will help either although some people do swear by it). Obviously, the best bet is not to be near people who are ill or and don't let them cough on you. In addition, try not to touch your nose or your eyes unless your hands are clean. Also, avoid touching door knobs in public places. Whenever I sign credit/debit card statements now, I use my own pen instead of the merchant's because I think of how many dozens of people, maybe some with a virus, who have used that pen before me. Call me paranoid but I haven't had the flu in years and have rarely had a flu shot.
Andrew
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TTP, from what I have read, it takes about 2 weeks for the vaccination to take full effect.
Andrew makes a good point about using your own pen - this is something that I try to always do.
I would take along and use a hand sanitizer - I have finally convinced my husband to use them, particularly after shaking hands (discreetly, of course).
Six weeks is a long time to be traveling, particularly for business. My husband, who rarely gets sick, was so stressed from his last run of trips, he ended up sick. I think the best thing that you can do for yourself is to try and get a reasonable amount of rest, eat healthy, and keep your hands clean.
Healthy travels to you!
Andrew makes a good point about using your own pen - this is something that I try to always do.
I would take along and use a hand sanitizer - I have finally convinced my husband to use them, particularly after shaking hands (discreetly, of course).
Six weeks is a long time to be traveling, particularly for business. My husband, who rarely gets sick, was so stressed from his last run of trips, he ended up sick. I think the best thing that you can do for yourself is to try and get a reasonable amount of rest, eat healthy, and keep your hands clean.
Healthy travels to you!
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Well, I went and got the shot...
The pen idea is good. I would like to think that I have a certain degree of resistance to common stuff. I travel a lot and it appears that my total lack of concern about these things has served me well for most of my life. But I got the flu last year and it really knocked the crap out of me. It hit me just 2 days into a critical conference. No telling how many people I spread it to, though my buddy from London, who propped me up throughout the entire event never caught it.
Regardless, once bitten, twice shy.
Andrew:
Doesn't alcohol kill viruses?
I know bleach does, but just assumed alcohol did too...
I wonder how long these flu viruses can live outside the body.
I know that HIV can't live very long outside the body.
The pen idea is good. I would like to think that I have a certain degree of resistance to common stuff. I travel a lot and it appears that my total lack of concern about these things has served me well for most of my life. But I got the flu last year and it really knocked the crap out of me. It hit me just 2 days into a critical conference. No telling how many people I spread it to, though my buddy from London, who propped me up throughout the entire event never caught it.
Regardless, once bitten, twice shy.
Andrew:
Doesn't alcohol kill viruses?
I know bleach does, but just assumed alcohol did too...
I wonder how long these flu viruses can live outside the body.
I know that HIV can't live very long outside the body.
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Just wanted to mention that if you become infected with influenza virus and haven't had a flu shot (or the infection occurs before your flu shot makes you fully immune) - there are at least three antiviral medications that can be used to reduce the strength and duration of symptoms. They are most effective if used between 24 and 48 hours of onset of symptoms. After that, probably not worth taking the medication.
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FWIW, Airborne is a shuck. So a school teacher is making a million bucks out of it? Smart cookie. Put a few vitamins in a pill and market it, pretending that it will "help your immune system". Read the medical journals instead of the commercials....sheesh.
I hope you got the flu shot. Antibacterial hand jel I do not know about, except that if I am out and about and touching unfamiliar objects during a flu outbreak, what can I lose by sanitizing my hands? OK, flu is caused by a virus,not a bacteria, but at least I can prevent a secondary infection, no?
I hope you got the flu shot. Antibacterial hand jel I do not know about, except that if I am out and about and touching unfamiliar objects during a flu outbreak, what can I lose by sanitizing my hands? OK, flu is caused by a virus,not a bacteria, but at least I can prevent a secondary infection, no?
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The problem with the unncessary use of antibacterial hand sanitizer/soap/whatever is that overuse is helping to breed resistant bacteria. In 20-30 years that hand sanitizer may no longer be effective due to the resistant strains of bacteria around. Plus, some bacteria are good - numerous varieties live peacefully and even helpfully within our bodies. We NEED some of them. Whenever you take antibiotic medication, one of the drawbacks is that you kill some of the good bacteria in your body and it takes some time to get them back in your system.
Washing your hands at the bathroom sink and after handling/preparing meat are probably the only times most of us need to use antibacterial soap. It's not a good mindset to think "all bacteria are bad, kill 'em all!" and use these hand sanitizers and soaps constantly.
Andrew
Washing your hands at the bathroom sink and after handling/preparing meat are probably the only times most of us need to use antibacterial soap. It's not a good mindset to think "all bacteria are bad, kill 'em all!" and use these hand sanitizers and soaps constantly.
Andrew
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Andrew - think you may be confusing antibacterial soaps with acohol based hand sanitizers.
Agree the antibacterial products are way overused, and the danger of resistance is very real but the hand sanitizer (which does kill most viruses) is another story.
Agree the antibacterial products are way overused, and the danger of resistance is very real but the hand sanitizer (which does kill most viruses) is another story.
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Due to the shortage last year I wasn't able to get the flu shot and yes, I did get sick late in the season. It also knocked me out. I got the flu shot this year to be safe. Since then, I've heard that vaccines are loaded with toxins and are not good for the body and the best defense is boosting your immune system--eat healthy, exercise, get enough rest, etc. So now I'm thinking twice about getting the flu shot next year. Anyone had bad experiences with the flu shot?
I always keep a pack of disposable hand wipes in my bag (instead of the hand gel) and use it before eating, usually when it's not convenient to wash hands.
I always keep a pack of disposable hand wipes in my bag (instead of the hand gel) and use it before eating, usually when it's not convenient to wash hands.
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There are some people who have severe reactions to the flu vaccine - I am one of them. It only takes one time to know it's not for you.
Andrew, soap and water are wonderful, but it's not always possible to run to the restroom to wash hands.
I work with children. There is a list of yucky things they do with their hands on a daily basis - I'll leave it up to the imagination! You can also bet they don't spend time washing their hands properly (most, I'm sure, don't wash). Beyond the flu, theres pink eye, stomach bugs, etc. to watch out for.
I recently heard that 90,000 patients in hospitals get "hospital infection" each year because doctors and other hospital works fail to wash their hands before seeing new patients. That's because in order to eliminate the germs while washing, you have to spend 15 seconds (as long as the "Happy Birthday to You" song). People generally don't take that long to wash - if they do so to begin with.
Hand sanitizers are the way to go - I will not be convinced otherwise.
Andrew, soap and water are wonderful, but it's not always possible to run to the restroom to wash hands.
I work with children. There is a list of yucky things they do with their hands on a daily basis - I'll leave it up to the imagination! You can also bet they don't spend time washing their hands properly (most, I'm sure, don't wash). Beyond the flu, theres pink eye, stomach bugs, etc. to watch out for.
I recently heard that 90,000 patients in hospitals get "hospital infection" each year because doctors and other hospital works fail to wash their hands before seeing new patients. That's because in order to eliminate the germs while washing, you have to spend 15 seconds (as long as the "Happy Birthday to You" song). People generally don't take that long to wash - if they do so to begin with.
Hand sanitizers are the way to go - I will not be convinced otherwise.
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A nurse once told me that the hand gel is good for only 3 applications (between hand washings), and after that it becomes ineffective and you need to use soap and water. Anyone hear that? Also, my doctor told me to keep away from gels and towelettes that contain Propylene Glycol as it is anti-freeze and does all kinds of damage to your body. It is in just about everything.
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In several published studies on infection control in hospitals, hand gels were theoretically as effective or more effective than proper hand washing. And in practice they are more effective since health care providers actually use them more often than hand washing.
Besides lapses in hand washing, the reason patients in hospitals get infections is that hospitals breed very tough organisms because of antibiotic/antiseptic environment.
Many viruses are air-borne - so hand washing will not be effective on them.
And wear a hat - it will not prevent any type of infection but it will make your mother happy!
Besides lapses in hand washing, the reason patients in hospitals get infections is that hospitals breed very tough organisms because of antibiotic/antiseptic environment.
Many viruses are air-borne - so hand washing will not be effective on them.
And wear a hat - it will not prevent any type of infection but it will make your mother happy!
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I have had the flu shot for the last 8 years on the advice on my allergy doctor, and have never had a bad reaction (other than a sore bicep) or the flu. I don't understand the reluctance to get them. I've been told that there is a "mercury-free" variety but I just take whatever Kaiser is offering.


