hi Guys

I have stumbled across this site and am in amazement at the knowledge of the people on here. I have visited the USA many times, and am about to bring my 16 year old on his first two week vacation. We live, for our sins, in South East England .. so I'm hoping he will fall in love with the USA as much as I did on my first trip.

We fly to SFO from DFW (there on business) on the June (18-28) I will be spending 10 days in San Francisco.

My plan was :

1. drive to Santa Cruz area and do some Kayaking in Elkhorn for a morning / walk the board walk in Santa Cruz etc .. stay over the night
2. drive to Yosemite and stay 2 Days (Yosemite Valley Lodge to save travel time, with dinner at the Majestic one evening)
3. 3 Days in Lake Tahoe - do we rent a boat and take a tour?
4. 4 Days in and around Fisherman Wharf (Catch a baseball game, Alcatraz by night, Coit tower, take a cable car to Market street and back, Eat some food in China Town, Dim Sum at Yang Sing, Bike ride to Sausalito on the other side of the bay, maybe more cable cars and lazy walk down Lombard street )

My questions are these:

Am I doing to much driving in going from Carmel to Yosemite to Lake Tahoe? I think I have our stay at the Wharf nailed down (cannot go much wrong around there, or can you).

I've been to San Francisco and San Jose a few times and if I'm honest the above are places I've always wanted to visit (Spent an hour in Lake Tahoe once in 1990 and fell in love).

How would you adapt the above to ensure my 16 years old would enjoy it more.

Just looking for thoughts from the experts ..

Thanks

Leslie pb

>>Am I doing to much driving in going from Carmel to Yosemite to Lake Tahoe?>3 Days in Lake Tahoe - do we rent a boat and take a tour?

Thanks, at the moment I'm not nailed to stay in the Wharf. I have held off booking the accommodation until I get some feed back.

I am really looking forward to Lake Tahoe and will take your comments on board.

What is your budget in San Francisco?

I really like staying on/near the Embarcadero like at the Hyatt. Great views, good transport options including BART to the airport and the California Cable Car line, convenient to AT&T Park, the Ferry Bldg, and the piers all the way to 39 and Fishermans Wharf

budget is cool at any level ... I always said to myself I'd take both my boys to the US on a road trip when they turned 16, I've done ok in life and my view is you cannot take it with you, so road trip one .. no real budget. I luckily retired young and now spend most of my active time working with charitable causes, mostly in sectors involving homeless, hospice, childrens hospitals and the poor ..

currently planning on staying at the Hyatt Centric .. so not far from Embarcadero .

It is possible to get from the Transbay Temp station (200 Folsom St) to Yosemite Valley Lodge via public transport (Amtrak). The bus to Emeryville leaves Transbay at 7:05AM to get on the San Joaquin train to Merced.
From Merced (guaranteed connection) you get on a YARTS bus 2.5 hours to Yosemite Valley Lodge.
There are park buses that get you around within the park.
You could return on the San Joaquin to Sacramento and rent a car there for your trip to Lake Tahoe.

IMO/IME the Hyatt Regency across from the Ferry bldg would be better than the Centric -- but its rates are also quite a bit higher. The Centric would be fine.

I had to laugh at >>We live, for our sins, in South East England . . .

@Tommfuller - fantastic curve ball : I'm on it .. it could work! and be a great way to just look out and enjoy the ride!

@Janisj - I'm in Royal Tunbridge Wells, I used to live in South East London (most of my life), made me street wise. It was like being bought up in the Bronx .. However, getting married and having children made me think way ahead and I found myself moving here 15 years ago. I'm lucky where I live, it's in the middle of the country. Shame I cannot put a picture up.

I'm a city lad, that loves the country.

ps

condo on Lake Tahoe .. maybe I should think about that, we all love skiing

There are some San Franciscans who would definitely steer you away from Fisherman's Wharf, but I'm not one of them. I think it's a fine place to stay, even if it wouldn't be my first choice (my first choice would also be the Embarcadero area janis mentioned). On a nice sunny day, wandering around Fisherman's Wharf, the boats, the Embarcadero, etc. is very nice -- you just have to try to avoid the myriad t-shirt shops and "tourist" art galleries. One thing you might both find fun is the hidden stairways of SF - check out this website (not mine). I think someone mentioned making reservations for Alcatraz - do not delay once you know the dates you'll be here - it is almost always sold out in advance in the summer.

http://www.sisterbetty.org/stairways/stairways.htm.

Do you enjoy theme park rides? If so, the boardwalk at Santa Cruz is good for more than a stroll. Go on a sunny day. If you're so inclined, you can visit several state parks on your drive that are full of beautiful coast redwoods (the really tall ones -- look up Henry Cowell State Park).

I'm also one of the people here who adores Lake Tahoe, at least all parts other than Stateline (where the casinos are, and even that's gotten a little nicer over the last few years). The drives on the east and west (you can go all the way around) are gorgeous, and the north is developed but with little towns, not high-rises. Do you hike? If so, I can recommend some great ones -- but remember it is at altitude....some are long and not as steep, some are VERY steep, but there is so much natural beauty along the way.

More things you should do in San Francisco - if you have time, visit the different neighborhoods -- Valencia and Mission Streets in the Mission, 24th Street in Noe Valley, Hayes St. in Hayes Valley, Union Street in Cow Hollow, Chestnut Street in the Marina, Columbus Avenue and Upper Grant Street in North Beach, Stockton Street in Chinatown, etc.

Do you already have a room booked for Yosemite? If not, that could be a problem....

We spent a week in Tahoe last fall and absolutely loved it. We stayed in Tahoe Vista at the Firelite Lodge. Pretty basic accommodations but the rooms were clean and quiet. Think about renting kayaks at Sand Harbor. A good hike is the Rubicon Trail, an out and back between D.L. Bliss and Emerald Bay State Parks. Start at the former and bring a picnic lunch. Tour Vikingsholm before/after lunch.

While you're up at Coit Tower, walk down the Filbert Steps (look on YouTube for video) to see the gardens and unique houses on the boardwalk. It doesn't seem like you could still be in the city. There is also a film The Parrots of Telegraph Hill about a flock that live there, if you can find it to watch before the trip.

PLEASE ignore the Amtrak suggestion!!!! You need to understand our tom -- he thinks EVERY traveler must take trains even when it makes no sense. The trains in CA are NOT convenient or what you are used to at home. You will have a car FORGET EVEN THINKING ABOUT TAKING A TRAIN (AND CRAPPY BUS) to Yosemite (sorry for the shouting but tom does that to everybody.)

>>I'm in Royal Tunbridge Wells

oh my guys .. I wake up to a myriad of new information. Thanks you.

I'm going to pay the premium to stay in the Lodge inside Yosemite .. at the very least it means I get to relax a couple days and enjoy the surroundings.

Maybe I can shorten the San Francisco stay by a day and extend the Lake Tahoe by a day. Choices Choices ..

Incidentally some of the trip advisors reviews on the Hyatt at Embarcadero are pretty scathing. Should I just ignore them?

ps my son loves theme parks. I'm very lucky in that my youngest son (stay with me here) goes to school with the grand son of the William "Sully" Sullivan of Disney fame .. so he has pointed me to Six Flags, and indeed in the right direction generally. However, I'm now looking forward to the boardwalk more that I know it has some attractions ..

I'll look to re-jig my dates and at least get the Yosemite Lodge booked today, including the meal at Majestic (I'm told it is amazing - history).

Thanks once again all.

I'll be curious as to whether you find availability at the Lodge; from what I can gather from their website, they appear to be booked up in June.

>>Incidentally some of the trip advisors reviews on the Hyatt at Embarcadero are pretty scathing. Should I just ignore them?fifteen times more outstanding reviews. 1,515 excellent vs. 109 terrible. Or almost as dramatically 2,828 Excellent/very good vs. 358 poor/terrible.

(I would suggest you not look at reviews of any of the properties in Yosemite if those ratios put you off)

I've requested a booking and await the outcome. If not then I'll just drive through and take a day trip moving on to Lake Tahoe early, there seems to be a lot to do in Lake Tahoe.

If you want a more upscale hotel in Lake Tahoe, the only one on the lake on the north shore is the Hyatt at Incline Village. Alternatively, there are many motels and many condo developments, some of which are quite nice.

>>I've requested a booking and await the outcome. If not then I'll just drive through and take a day trip moving on to Lake Tahoe early,