South"worst" Airlines Earns its Nickname
#42
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Patrick, I buy the occasional lottery tickey myself. Opposite side of same coin! My particular view of the universe includes an Irony God with a special project in ME! One possible outcome in this world view would be winning the lottery, buying a First-Class pass for life on some airline, and then crashing on my very first flight. 
You might consider the possibility that some of us who just don't think statistics are ultimately persuasive might be craven narcissists, who don't think it matters what happens to 6 million other people, it's what might happen to me!
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You might consider the possibility that some of us who just don't think statistics are ultimately persuasive might be craven narcissists, who don't think it matters what happens to 6 million other people, it's what might happen to me!
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#44
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Right, there's another thread going on that (and they are inspections, not repairs). It seems Southwest is simply being ultra-conservative and clearing up any ambiguity about Boeing's specifications and the actual inspections that had been done prior. Southwest seems to have done this less because of worries about the safety of these planes and more to avoid being accused in the future of having violated a nuance of some other FAA regulation.
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My rants and raves about southwest:
Rant: Their seating policy in 1999 referenced earlier was obscene. They are finally recognizing this and changing it (no acknowledgement of a problem when I wrote them a letter back in 2001) but it is still too little. They only allow boarding between A and B group for families with children under age 5. There has to be an underlying assumption here that a 6 year old can sit by himself for a 4 hour flight!! This is still obscene.
Rave: Their no charge policy for changing plans. Unbelievable when they don't have to do this. This is so overwhelmingly positive that I book Southwest whenever I can.
Regarding Safety issues: I think ALL the airlines are less safe than we like to think they are.
Rant: Their seating policy in 1999 referenced earlier was obscene. They are finally recognizing this and changing it (no acknowledgement of a problem when I wrote them a letter back in 2001) but it is still too little. They only allow boarding between A and B group for families with children under age 5. There has to be an underlying assumption here that a 6 year old can sit by himself for a 4 hour flight!! This is still obscene.
Rave: Their no charge policy for changing plans. Unbelievable when they don't have to do this. This is so overwhelmingly positive that I book Southwest whenever I can.
Regarding Safety issues: I think ALL the airlines are less safe than we like to think they are.
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Most of our homes probably aren't as safe as we'd like to think they are, either.
Not downgrading the importance of whatever maintenance problems SW or any other airline might have - as I said, I don't know yet whether SW's problems are/were slight, moderate, or severe - just pointing out that seat pitch (amongst other things) has nothing to do with safety. Plenty of living rooms have burned to the ground notwithstanding the seat pitch of the sofa and chairs being exceedingly generous.....
Not downgrading the importance of whatever maintenance problems SW or any other airline might have - as I said, I don't know yet whether SW's problems are/were slight, moderate, or severe - just pointing out that seat pitch (amongst other things) has nothing to do with safety. Plenty of living rooms have burned to the ground notwithstanding the seat pitch of the sofa and chairs being exceedingly generous.....
#48
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I love south west airlines. I've flown with them on several occassions, and have NEVER had any kind of problem. Seat assignment doesn't really bother me. Just get there early. I've flown on more expensive lines where the seats have been assigned, but to more than one occupant! A newly wed arrived to find someone else in her seat. But the seat was printed on the other persons ticket too. So she had to fly 8 hrs to Miami area not sitting by her new husband. Felt bad for her. Point is, every airline can have it's problems.
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The news just keeps getting worst for South"worst" ...
"Southwest Airlines Co. had to do repairs on four of the 38 planes it grounded Wednesday for maintenance reinspections, another sign of safety record-keeping problems at the Dallas low-fare carrier."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1205...googlenews_wsj
"Southwest Airlines Co. had to do repairs on four of the 38 planes it grounded Wednesday for maintenance reinspections, another sign of safety record-keeping problems at the Dallas low-fare carrier."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1205...googlenews_wsj
#53
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You can't have it both ways:
United Air Raises Fares by Up to $50
As the price of oil has risen, carriers have tried to push more of their fuel costs onto consumers. Some of those increases have stuck, but stiff competition from low-cost airlines such as Southwest Airlines Co. and JetBlue Airways Corp. means many others have been rolled back after competing airlines failed to follow suit.
United Air Raises Fares by Up to $50
As the price of oil has risen, carriers have tried to push more of their fuel costs onto consumers. Some of those increases have stuck, but stiff competition from low-cost airlines such as Southwest Airlines Co. and JetBlue Airways Corp. means many others have been rolled back after competing airlines failed to follow suit.
#54
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At least 2 out of 3 times I fly, I fly SWA. And I am next month.
I have flown other discount and full service airlines a plenty. I have other choices.
I choose Midway and SWA for the ease of travel, much less time involved, much pleasanter crews and staff (I have been sung to on 3 different occasions), do not mind the posting online for the boarding level seat at all, in fact- like it, and am glad they had the planes inspected again.
You know, from the Aviation students and mechanics I talk to, which are numerous, because my college is the school for many of them, there are numerous alumi who return- SWA is far from the most non-compliant with turnaround checking, structurally.
I have flown other discount and full service airlines a plenty. I have other choices.
I choose Midway and SWA for the ease of travel, much less time involved, much pleasanter crews and staff (I have been sung to on 3 different occasions), do not mind the posting online for the boarding level seat at all, in fact- like it, and am glad they had the planes inspected again.
You know, from the Aviation students and mechanics I talk to, which are numerous, because my college is the school for many of them, there are numerous alumi who return- SWA is far from the most non-compliant with turnaround checking, structurally.
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Hey Gekko:
Noticed this and thought of you....
ORLANDO, Fla. -- US Airways said a small part of a jetliner's wing dislodged and hit a passenger window as it flew over Maryland.
The airline says no injuries were reported aboard the Boeing 757 twin-jet airliner traveling Sunday from Orlando to Philadelphia with 174
CHARLOTTE, N.C. (WCNC) - A US Airways pilot’s gun accidentally discharged during a flight from Denver to Charlotte Saturday, according to as statement released by the airline.
The statement said the discharge happened on Flight 1536, which left Denver at approximately 6:45am and arrived in Charlotte at approximately 11:51am.
The Airbus A319 plane landed safely and none of the flight’s 124 passengers or five crew members was injured, according to the statement.
It was a full flight and airline spokeswoman said the plane has been taken out of service to make sure it is safe to return to flight.
A Transportation Safety Administration spokeswoman reached by WCNC Sunday said the pilot is part of TSA’s Federal Flight Deck Officer (FFDO) program, which trains pilots to carry guns on flights.
Andrea McCauley said the gun discharged in the cockpit, but she could not release how the gun was being transported at the time.
Noticed this and thought of you....
ORLANDO, Fla. -- US Airways said a small part of a jetliner's wing dislodged and hit a passenger window as it flew over Maryland.
The airline says no injuries were reported aboard the Boeing 757 twin-jet airliner traveling Sunday from Orlando to Philadelphia with 174
CHARLOTTE, N.C. (WCNC) - A US Airways pilot’s gun accidentally discharged during a flight from Denver to Charlotte Saturday, according to as statement released by the airline.
The statement said the discharge happened on Flight 1536, which left Denver at approximately 6:45am and arrived in Charlotte at approximately 11:51am.
The Airbus A319 plane landed safely and none of the flight’s 124 passengers or five crew members was injured, according to the statement.
It was a full flight and airline spokeswoman said the plane has been taken out of service to make sure it is safe to return to flight.
A Transportation Safety Administration spokeswoman reached by WCNC Sunday said the pilot is part of TSA’s Federal Flight Deck Officer (FFDO) program, which trains pilots to carry guns on flights.
Andrea McCauley said the gun discharged in the cockpit, but she could not release how the gun was being transported at the time.
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Ummm. I'm not following this story all that closely, but isn't there a big difference between an airline (Southwest) flying planes and avoiding or ignoring "required" inspections even when they knew there were cracks and other problems, and an airline (American) canceling flights to inspect planes that there were no known problems with and there were no required inspections, but they were taking the cautious route? Somehow the latter would bother me a whole lot less than the former!



