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May 23rd, 2013, 02:13 PM
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Thursday Seattle Green Trolley report:
Zero, 4, and 2 passengers on the three runs I happened to see today.
(maybe the thing will be dead by the first week in September) (I have a feeling we'll know a lot more come Tuesday May 28)
Zero, 4, and 2 passengers on the three runs I happened to see today.
(maybe the thing will be dead by the first week in September) (I have a feeling we'll know a lot more come Tuesday May 28)
May 26th, 2013, 02:41 PM
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Friday and Saturday (of Mem. Day weekend) trolley reports:
Friday, saw runs with 1, 1, 2, 4, 7, 12
Saturday, saw runs with 0, 0, 2, 6, 11
And don't even get me started on the silly-seeming ticket booth in a parking lot on Pike between 2nd and 3rd. I love how the ("people") who conceived this idea are so self-conscious that they conceal the outrageous cost from almost every angle.
Friday, saw runs with 1, 1, 2, 4, 7, 12
Saturday, saw runs with 0, 0, 2, 6, 11
And don't even get me started on the silly-seeming ticket booth in a parking lot on Pike between 2nd and 3rd. I love how the ("people") who conceived this idea are so self-conscious that they conceal the outrageous cost from almost every angle.
May 27th, 2013, 04:23 PM
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Monday trolley report (LOL)
Today, on a dreary, drizzly, par-for-Seattle sort of Holiday, the bus may have had its best day yet.
Runs with
10-8-7-9-3 customers strewn throughout the early part of the day.
(contrast that to 16 to 20 to jam-packed on the Duck Tour, which retails for $28 for adults, vs. $49 plus per person for the Emerald City Trolley )
So that was the holiday weekend - heaven knows what some Tuesday in July may hold in store (shrug)
Today, on a dreary, drizzly, par-for-Seattle sort of Holiday, the bus may have had its best day yet.
Runs with
10-8-7-9-3 customers strewn throughout the early part of the day.
(contrast that to 16 to 20 to jam-packed on the Duck Tour, which retails for $28 for adults, vs. $49 plus per person for the Emerald City Trolley )
So that was the holiday weekend - heaven knows what some Tuesday in July may hold in store (shrug)
Jun 1st, 2013, 06:41 PM
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More Emerald City Trolley data:
Thursday saw runs with 2-8-8-7 passengers
Friday saw runs with 6-7-2-7-6 passengers
Saturday saw runs with 4-3-4-10-4-8 passengers
(all this while the Duck Tour is crammed with 25-30 people on several runs during an average day)
(now exactly none of my thoughts/observations consider the chance that there could be repeat customers on any of those runs, so that should be recognized as a possibility)
Maybe they should have a weekend where they run a $20 special (for the same deal) to see how much more ridership they would know at that price.
Thursday saw runs with 2-8-8-7 passengers
Friday saw runs with 6-7-2-7-6 passengers
Saturday saw runs with 4-3-4-10-4-8 passengers
(all this while the Duck Tour is crammed with 25-30 people on several runs during an average day)
(now exactly none of my thoughts/observations consider the chance that there could be repeat customers on any of those runs, so that should be recognized as a possibility)
Maybe they should have a weekend where they run a $20 special (for the same deal) to see how much more ridership they would know at that price.
Jun 2nd, 2013, 04:00 PM
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Emerald City Trolley up-date.
At 4:25 p.m. on a beautiful, sunny Sunday afternoon (June 2) I saw the trolley at 4th and Pike while I was waiting for a bus. On the trolley were eight passengers, a driver, and a young woman with a microphone whom, I presume, was providing a narration.
During the ten minutes I waited for my bus, three Duck Tours passed 4th and Pike. The first two were filled to capacity and the third vehicle had two unsold seats.
Duck Tours 3-Emerald Trolley 0
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At 4:25 p.m. on a beautiful, sunny Sunday afternoon (June 2) I saw the trolley at 4th and Pike while I was waiting for a bus. On the trolley were eight passengers, a driver, and a young woman with a microphone whom, I presume, was providing a narration.
During the ten minutes I waited for my bus, three Duck Tours passed 4th and Pike. The first two were filled to capacity and the third vehicle had two unsold seats.
Duck Tours 3-Emerald Trolley 0
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Jun 3rd, 2013, 02:42 PM
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Here's the best data YET on the (ill-fated?) Emerald City Trolley:
Monday... charting every run from 9:00am through 2:00pm:
The runs had
1 (and I couldn't even be sure that wasn't the guide)
0
1
0
????? (stepped away and missed one)
2
0
0
7
2
paying customers.
All from the same exact spot, charting 9 of the first 10 runs of the day. Admittedly more people should be around on, say, the first Monday in August than were around on the first Monday in June, but still...
I also tallied 4 Duck Tour (boats) during the same window of time:
25
17
8
16
The MTR Western group behind this debacle must be very satisfied.
I wonder who is the one person who liked Seattle Tour & Trolley Company on Facebook
"About Us:
Step foot onto Seattle’s newest attraction – The Gem. A hop-on, hop-off, guided Trolley tour, with multiple routes uniting the best of what Seattle has to offer from attractions, parks and the unique sights and sounds in and around the city". (Pay your $49 prior to boarding)
PS - yeah, perhaps Groupon and the Emerald City Trolley can expire together at the rate both are going. Groupon's stock having dropped nearly 75% of its value since first public offering.
Monday... charting every run from 9:00am through 2:00pm:
The runs had
1 (and I couldn't even be sure that wasn't the guide)
0
1
0
????? (stepped away and missed one)
2
0
0
7
2
paying customers.
All from the same exact spot, charting 9 of the first 10 runs of the day. Admittedly more people should be around on, say, the first Monday in August than were around on the first Monday in June, but still...
I also tallied 4 Duck Tour (boats) during the same window of time:
25
17
8
16
The MTR Western group behind this debacle must be very satisfied.
I wonder who is the one person who liked Seattle Tour & Trolley Company on Facebook
"About Us:
Step foot onto Seattle’s newest attraction – The Gem. A hop-on, hop-off, guided Trolley tour, with multiple routes uniting the best of what Seattle has to offer from attractions, parks and the unique sights and sounds in and around the city". (Pay your $49 prior to boarding)
PS - yeah, perhaps Groupon and the Emerald City Trolley can expire together at the rate both are going. Groupon's stock having dropped nearly 75% of its value since first public offering.
Jun 19th, 2013, 10:50 AM
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Extending my trolley obsession:
A Monday: 2-4-6-3-9-9 riders on various runs, passing by the same spot.
A Thursday: 3-10-2-5-14-5
A Friday: 6-7-6-5-0-2
A Saturday: 0-0-14-6-9-5-2
** All of this while most of the Duck Tour crafts have 20-30 people each time they pass
I guess, what I'd really like to see, are the same numbers for the same trolley IF they cut the price to $25 (down from the present 49.28 including tax.
A Monday: 2-4-6-3-9-9 riders on various runs, passing by the same spot.
A Thursday: 3-10-2-5-14-5
A Friday: 6-7-6-5-0-2
A Saturday: 0-0-14-6-9-5-2
** All of this while most of the Duck Tour crafts have 20-30 people each time they pass
I guess, what I'd really like to see, are the same numbers for the same trolley IF they cut the price to $25 (down from the present 49.28 including tax.
Jul 3rd, 2013, 12:18 PM
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Some more accumulated data for the Green Trolley:
Weekday sightings with:
1,0,2,0,5,6,6,11,4
6,19,12,5,6,11,4
6,9,0,16,3,7,7
4,7,5,16,15,12
and a Saturday with:
2,0,5,18,11,23,26
(in all fairness, some of those counts could be duplicate riders, each having purchased a 2-day pass)
So it seems to thrive on that mentality that brought on huge taxes on rental cars (particularly at airports): Just {take} the tourists for anything you can get from them. It isn't like they can vote locally anyway (the latter pertaining more to airport taxes, and not to the Green Trolley)
Who knows? Maybe Metro will observe that they too could scalp people for much higher fares, and the anticipated $60 Million budget shortfall may be offset in its entirety.
Once the free ride zone left, the worth of transit around the downtown core needed to be re-established after 30+ years. According to The Green Trolley, that worth is now "$45 plus tax". Based on that new fare structure, Metro should easily solve its budget crisis.
Weekday sightings with:
1,0,2,0,5,6,6,11,4
6,19,12,5,6,11,4
6,9,0,16,3,7,7
4,7,5,16,15,12
and a Saturday with:
2,0,5,18,11,23,26
(in all fairness, some of those counts could be duplicate riders, each having purchased a 2-day pass)
So it seems to thrive on that mentality that brought on huge taxes on rental cars (particularly at airports): Just {take} the tourists for anything you can get from them. It isn't like they can vote locally anyway (the latter pertaining more to airport taxes, and not to the Green Trolley)
Who knows? Maybe Metro will observe that they too could scalp people for much higher fares, and the anticipated $60 Million budget shortfall may be offset in its entirety.
Once the free ride zone left, the worth of transit around the downtown core needed to be re-established after 30+ years. According to The Green Trolley, that worth is now "$45 plus tax". Based on that new fare structure, Metro should easily solve its budget crisis.
Jul 3rd, 2013, 12:44 PM
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NorthwestMale,
You totally hijacked this persons thread with your "trolley obsession." I'd be pissed if I was the one that started it.
You seem quite obsessed with seeing this company go down.
Just sayin'.
You totally hijacked this persons thread with your "trolley obsession." I'd be pissed if I was the one that started it.
You seem quite obsessed with seeing this company go down.
Just sayin'.
Jul 3rd, 2013, 01:00 PM
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In case you haven't read forum guidelines recently, they include that we are to “refrain from personal attacks on other posters,” which includes making “critical comments” about them.
The trolley discussion began on May 11, and NWMale didn't start it.
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The trolley discussion began on May 11, and NWMale didn't start it.
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