Chesco1

Yeah, I have that in my mind, but what I want to know are the actual consequences. My little "relief" period ended. So not I'm keeping this serious. Besides, he IS a reliable driver. The only reason this happened was because of the tour bus that conflicted our view of the red light, and I doubt late braking would do any better.

Chesco1

I'm only saying this now because of the little hints and warning I just read from the previous commentors

michelleNYC

Here you go:

San Francisco - Red Light Camera Units
San Francisco, California

CITY:
San Francisco

CITATION TYPE:
Red Light Camera Ticket

TICKET FINE:
$ 351

Red Light Cameras - Issues (State of CA)
If a camera does catch a vehicle running a red light, a citation is mailed to the registered owner of the vehicle. If that's you, you’ll have to pay a fine. You are allowed to see the photographs if you don't think you actually ran a red light. Some jurisdictions use a combination of photos and video cameras, and you can actually go online with the citation number and pull up a video of your car running the red light. If you weren't the one driving, you have two options: pay the fine and have a conviction go on your record, or tell the police who was driving that day. -End-

michelleNYC

P.S. - Google is a wonderful thing...

janisj

"Besides, he IS a reliable driver. The only reason this happened was because of the tour bus that conflicted our view of the red light, and I doubt late braking would do any better."

Then he WAS TOO CLOSE TO THE BUS AND DRIVING UNSAFELY!!!! One does not enter an intersection unless one can see, and the exit is clear. Maybe if he had been licensed he would have known this (or maybe not since you don't seem to know it yourself)

He is UNLICENSED!!

What is it you don't understand. Stupid idea. You lucked out this time since he didn't hit anyone. But it seems you just don't get how stupid/unnecessary it was.

janisj

Oh - michelleNYC -- That IS good news

My comments were based on my home town in northern California where the photo must match the car's registered owner or no ticket is issued. Seems the city/county of SF does it differently. Maybe there is justice after all . . . .

Chesco1

*cough* janisj, you're putting too much accusations into your saying. He was not dangerously close to the bus, it was a three lane road and he was on the left side where you could see his mirror. If you don't know how big a tour bus can be compared to the length of SF streets. I don't think you should be arguing this. Besides, I wasn't nauseated enough to not be able to understand anything. Of course I would still be monitoring him while he was driving. It's only common sense right?

Chesco1

And @ michelleNYC, yeah thanks, I have been searching all over google. I just dont have enough sense where to look = =. Put that on my fault.

Chesco1

And at that conviction thing. What would be better to do, have a conviction on record or tell the police that it was my unlicensed friend who drove?

sf7307

Chesco, I'm pretty darn close to retracting my "support", based on your comment that you would be "monitoring" him while he was driving.

michelleNYC

PPS: California Vehicle Code (CVC) Section 14604: Under Section 14604 CVC, the owner has a duty to assure the person driving their vehicle possesses a valid license; however, if you allow or permit anyone, including: your wife, son or daughter, or friend or relative, to drive your vehicle and that person does not have a valid driver's license, there is a possibility that the vehicle could be forfeited (taken from you by the state)and you will be responsible for towing and storage fees. You will not have access to the vehicle for 30 days.

michelleNYC

Well, Chesco, you're not in a good place either way - but you did put yourself in that place. Pay the fine, watch your insurance premium go up, and learn your lesson. Or, tell the police you weren't the one driving, that you let an unlicensed driver use your car and receive additional fines or worse.

Chesco1

Well, monitoring isn't hard to do is it? I did have a bad case of nausea and I know that I was suited to drive. Besides, It's not like I was laying down. I still had a job to do even if I wasn't feeling up to snuff you know? It's like teaching someone how to drive without much of the teaching stuff. What I mean by monitoring is that I was just watching his driving.

Chesco1

So between the two choices, It's probably better to watch my insurance go up.

janisj

"He was not dangerously close to the bus, it was a three lane road and he was on the left side where you could see his mirror. If you don't know how big a tour bus can be compared to the length of SF streets. I don't think you should be arguing this."

Obviously he was too close to something since he could not see the light NOR the exit of the intersection. Maybe you need to re-read the vehicle code. It is illegal to enter an intersection unless the exit is clear. Since he could not see the lights it is most likely he couldn't see the exit either.

So between you and your unlicensed friend -- I think both of you should reconsider driving until you learn the rules of the road

fmpden

michelleNYC, that MAY be the way it works in New York. But probably each state is a little different. Without some CA experience I don't know how you can say what will happen.

In Colorado, camera violations do not go against the driving record. It is simply a fine and no points against the license either.

Second, only the driver is photographed. A piece of the passenger may get in there but it is mainly the driver.

The owner of the car receives the citation. On the citation form the owner can dispute that they were driving the vehicle by signing a statement to that effect and enclosing a copy of the driver's license picture for proof. Second, the owner has the option of identifying the driver or checking a box which says something like, "I do not choose to ID the driver at this time." At least in Colorado it is the police responsibility to ID the driver, not you. Within a couple of weeks the ticket will be dismissed with the reservation that the police may continue to investigate and may reissue the citation should the driver be id at a later date. Never happens -- too many tickets to track.

Been through this a couple times because of a college son who lends his car (my car in title) to friends I don't know.

My guess is that he has little to worry about. But someone from CA will need to explain how the actually procedures work.

sf7307

http://www.highwayrobbery.net/redlightcamsticket.htm

Chesco1

So basically, I don't have much to say about this until I see what's on the ticket?

peterboy

Pay the fine, pay the new insurance rate and
consider yourself lucky that this is all that
happened.

"Besides, I wasn't nauseated enough to not be
able to understand anything. Of course I would
still be monitoring him while he was driving.
It's only common sense right?"

I'd also think real hard about lecturing your
elders about common sense until you really
understand what it is and possess it. It seems
that your nausea was indeed enough to cause you
to "not be able to understand anything". Perhaps
it is simply your youthful lack of common sense
and an inability to understand the possible con-
sequences of your decisions that allowed you to
make such an error in judgement.

Common sense, had you applied it, would have
dictated that you relax until your nausea sub-
sided so you, the licensed driver, could con-
tinue to drive.

I know us 'old farts' seem to be coming down
kind of hard on you over this but it is only
because we've lived down the consequences of
our bad decisions or have lost friends and
loved who paid a high price for theirs. I
know this is probably falling on deaf ears but
these are things that still need to be said.

StuDudley

Good comments, peterboy. I still shutter and sometimes have "nightmares" when I recall some of the stupid things I did while driving in my youth - 40 years ago.

Stu Dudley