tlf- Naw, my 'east coast attitude' crack was not even an insult. having lived on & loved both coasts I have experience & while it is somewhat of a generalization, people do have different styles.

I don't think it was about internet abbreviations but more they were worried you'd arrive and say the word "Cali" out loud and get laughed at ;-)

I also don't think that's how ya spell that campfire song name either but...

tlf18: My point is and was simply that you have NEVER been to California and yet insist on giving advice on what/how to see it. You would have a bit more credibility if you at least waited until you had actually been here - OK.

It would be like me giving advice about road trips in Alaska. Never been there and don't have a clue. Well - you don't have a clue about what is and isn't possible out here.

On another thread after 15 plus Californians tried to explain that the OP's plan was basically insane/impossible, you said - no, here is how we are going to do just what you want to do.

I didn't knock you because of any vocabulary "bullshit" (nice language BTW), but because you keep giving silly advice . . . . .

"Kum-bay-ya" like the old song "Come By Here"

cali is good enough for LL, it's good enough for me.....

Have fun in Cali and Frisco tlf18....

suze - fair enough. i never say "cali" outloud, and not sure why i even typed the abbreviation. and dont think i've used "frisco."

janis - first of all, go re-read my first post in this thread. i openly admit that my own plan isn't great, and even agree that michele is smart to be looking to chose one or the other. and, in the other thread you refer to, i said, "sorry i cant offer you much help, other than giving an example of one way to TRY to see most of it."

how does that qualify as "insisting on giving advice"?? as someone else pointed out, i am new here. so i was posting on other California threads, trying to be a member of the community and not just some stranger selfishly looking to come here and grab all the answers and leave. my reward for attempting to mix in with the fine people of this message board? having you knock me for giving "silly advice." sorry for sharing my itinerary. sorry for offering other visitors to California a mere mention of one person's attempt to see as much of California as we can in one week.

This is a travel site after all, perhaps you need to get some fresh air.

Hi, Michele!

To get back to your original question -

southern California really doesn't offer any "big city" adventures for your boy friend, whereas San Francisco is a great walking city for everyone.

You've gotten some good advice here - in-between all the crossfire between the East Coasters and West Coasters, or is that the easties and the westies? This sure is a lively forum!

I'd suggest Northern California as well. SF for your boyfriend - and for you. Lots of great dining and good sights to walk to: Coit Tower is quite a hike, and Lombard Street - the crookedest street in the world - can be another hilly adventure.

For nature, I'd suggest, as others before, a trip to Muir Woods. You can hike as little or as much in Muir Woods as you would like.

Then take another day to go down to Monterey/Carmel. Carmel is a charming little town, which will please your boyfriend's "city" urges. For yourself, don't miss Point Lobos - one of the most scenic spots in that whole area. Another hike as much or as little as you wish place. Just be sure the sun is shining when you go to gorgeous Point Lobos.

If you overnight in the Monterey/Pacific Grove/Carmel area, you can even go down to Big Sur and hike around any number of places there.

Back in San Francisco: take the ferry to Angel Island and hike up to Mount Livermore for a panoramic view of the entire Bay Area. Take the ferry back to Sausalito and wander around another charming small town. Then take the ferry back from Sausalito to San Francisco.

Have a great trip!