Is Disney a cult?

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Apr 12th, 2002, 05:14 AM
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I completely agree with Paul Rabe. I don't get you people who are so concerned with others who like Disney. I went to Disney once as a child and have no interest in going there as an adult. That doesn't mean that there is something wrong or "scary" about others who want to go there. Many people might not like my choice of vacation destinations and that's fine.

To those Disney bashers - Disney is a huge, wildly successful corporation so of course they will engage in commercialism, branding, and will likely have a somewhat arrogant corporate attitude. So what - if you don't like it, don't buy into it.
 
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Apr 12th, 2002, 05:19 AM
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I think this is more an example of someone who just wants to complain about something that is popular.

Stephanie P can be found on every thread here if it is bashing something..from NY to fat people on airplanes,consider the source when you read these threads.
 
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Apr 12th, 2002, 05:20 AM
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Did you know that Disney get all thoses cokes and fuji film free!! so they can then charge the visitors outrageous prices and the company love it because it is free advertising for them. I learned this working on my MBA, ever since I will not have anything to do with disney or its products. Thank God my kids don't have disneyitis...and yes it is very expensive...the mouse is a profitable corporation.
 
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Apr 12th, 2002, 05:26 AM
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Evidently it is as another poster wants to take his wife to WDW for a romantic weekend. IF this was my hubby we would be spending that weekend finding attorneys, and moving money around... an appliance beats the mouse any day.
 
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Apr 12th, 2002, 05:26 AM
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I think you're missing Paul's point. He (and I), get the feeling that some people are SO enamored of Disney that they can't find any fault with it, and have an excuse for every little problem that some people have with it. Why can't people just admit that the food is bad, or overpriced, or it's too crowded?

No, they have to give reasons why it's so crowded, instead of agreeing that Disney could take measures to lessen the crowds by expanding hours, reinstate early entry, etc. As I said, I love WDW, but I am not so blinded by loyalty that I can't see how things have diminished recently. It seems that for some Disney can do no wrong.
 
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Apr 12th, 2002, 05:34 AM
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Mousetrap, How true! I couldn't believe that either. Imagine going to WDW for a romantic weekend! Is it me or what? I'm with you, He might as well buy me a vacuum cleaner, it has as much romance as a trip to the kiddie capitol of the world!
 
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Apr 12th, 2002, 06:15 AM
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Admittedly, I'm happier visting Epcot than having to travel eight hours or more to visit the real countries. What's so wrong with that? Disney has done a lot of research and as a result has been able to provide the very best of each country. It's convenient, fun, and best of all, I don't have to leave the very best country in the world!
 
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Apr 12th, 2002, 06:23 AM
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Molly, Oooohhh Kay.
 
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Apr 12th, 2002, 06:36 AM
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Holly, as I mentioned in my previoinous post, I love Disney and am going for the 20th time. However, your attitude is kind of scary and sad. Epcot provides a glimpse of the countries, but certainly does not provide the best of them.
 
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Apr 12th, 2002, 06:46 AM
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My antipathy to Disney far outstrips yours, Paul, because I have seen firsthand the concerted effort the Disney corp. makes to control as much as possible of what we know, see, feel, buy.

First, the personal: I got foodpoisoning at Epcot and let Disney know, just to recommend they check the Mexico pavillion kitchen. I was barraged with calls from doctors and lawyers designed to convince me I didn't food poisoning there (circumstances were incontrovertible, but I didn't care, wasn't looking for a freebie or anything) and warn me not to pursue the matter and imply that there would be bad consequences if I did.

I took my son there 2ce during his childhood and yes, there is magic, but it is a very scarily plastic magic, and I began to expect to hear that hypnotically blandly cheerful voice over my head in the bathroom: "welcome to Goofy's restroom. Please take your seat as soon as you arrive. For your convenience, Minnie has placed toilet paper in the container in front of you. Please do not take more than you need. You can purchase Happy Pooh and Piglet toilet paper and paper towels in the shop just to your right when you leave. Have a Disney Day!"

Professional: As a media observer PhD, I've had to study the structure of the entertainment and information industry. Disney owns a huge amount including ABC, lots of cable channels, and of course all the entertainment, toy, and clothing companies. They wield an exceptionally heavy hand over employees, the communities where they are located, and also over the media. No one can question anything they do, or they, too, will "suffer consequences." You will never see anything critical about Disney on ABC, and if you think that's ok, then you've forgotten what "freedom of the press" is supposed to protect.

I commend to you Carl Hiassen's book, "Team Rodent," which is a collection of his newspaper columns on Disney.
 
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Apr 12th, 2002, 06:47 AM
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Man, I love this country!
 
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Apr 12th, 2002, 07:25 AM
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We get the Disney Channel on Cable and it used to be just programming but now it's turned into advertising for all things Disney. And, don't you love all the toy tie ins with the movies??? I especially love their ads on Disney videso, "buy it today before it's not available anymore." Not to mention, Disney has completely ruined the enviroment around Orlando....
 
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Apr 12th, 2002, 07:38 AM
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Don't put Disney down, it attracts millions of families each year. When they're at Disney, they're not at the places I want to go to. Disney saves the rest of us from the screeching brats and obtuse parents, so god bless the Mouse!!!!
 
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Apr 12th, 2002, 08:20 AM
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Here's a perfect example of how misguided some of the Disney fanatics are. I was on the resort forum on Disboards.com, reading a thread written by the mother of a 6 year old girl who had touched an exposed, 6 inch electrical wire which was sticking out of the wall in a hallway of the Contemporary Resort. The family had been waiting to attend church services on Easter in the crowded hallway.

The child received a severe shock and electrical burns on her hand, ambulance came, bandaged her wounds. An accident report was filled out and that was that.

The mother only posted because she was concerned that she hadn't heard anything from Disney. She had no intention of sueing, but thought it would have been nice if someone had contacted her to let her know how she could submit the medical bills she had from visiting the doctor at home for follow-up care. She also wanted an apology and assurance that no wires would be left out like that again to injure another child.

Posters actually flamed her, said it was her childs fault for touching the wire, or the parents fault for not watching the child more carefully! Huh? God forbid they blame their precious Disney! Some then ranted that it was not Disney's fault (Whose was it then, I wonder?), and it would be immoral to even consider sueing Disney. Unbelievable.

If my child had such a painful injury because of Disney negligence, you could bet I'd have a lawsuit against them so fast their tails would spin.
 
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Apr 12th, 2002, 09:05 AM
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DISNEY IS A CULT. I posted once on this site looking for information and admitting that I didn't want to go but my family did and wanted me to come and I was severly and rudely attacked. The only thing that ever made me think it might be good is that fact that guys who have just won the World Series are asked...what is the first thing you are going to do...they always so GO BACK TO DISNEYWORLD and I get the feeling that they really mean it, not just marketing hype....so it must be fun. I would be willing to pay twice the already outrageous prices, though, if it meant I could go during an exclusive, limited access week. I wish they would launch that as an option at least a few times per year, even if it were in the winter and freezing cold.
 
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Apr 12th, 2002, 09:11 AM
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Kelly, Well said. My wife and I don't have kids yet, and we went to Disney last year. We enjoyed our time, but vowed not to return until we had children at an age they could enjoy it without crying and being insufferable. I hadn't been there since 1984, and still marvel at the spectacle of it all. However, after 2 days, I had had enough, and got really tired of feeling like I had a vacuum stuck to my back pocket where my wallet is housed. We are going to Hawaii in a few weeks, and have been there before, and just expect certain places to vacuum your wallet, but Disney was a bit ridiculous. We have friends who are amazed that we would travel all the way to Hawaii and spend a lot of money when we could(and I quote) "save money and go to Disney!". These are the folks in which I refer to as the 3 blind mice. They seem completely clueless that the mouse is in their back pocket. Oh well, as long as they have fun, who am I to criticize?
 
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Apr 12th, 2002, 09:20 AM
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So, let's see:
1. "the mouse is a profitable corporation." Oh my god, the horror!
2. ABC doesn't criticize Disney and thus violates "freedom of the press." Just a wild guess here, but I'd say that poster has (a) never graduated from journalism school and (b) no idea what the concept of freedom of the press is all about. The funny part of that post is that the writer IDs himself as a "media observer PhD." It sounds as if the PhD is in basket-weaving.
 
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Apr 12th, 2002, 09:22 AM
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TO: Here you go:
Maybe you and I weren't reading the same postings at the Disboard, because the post I read had ONE person who suggested the parents should've been watching the child, and EVERYONE else flamed the person who suggested it. Maybe you need to go back and read it again, instead of trying to inflame people here by telling untrue stories. The people on that site were very upset by the fact the child was hurt and suggested many ways to contact those in authority at Disney to rectify the situation. Why did you write what you did? When the point a person tries to make is correct, it isn't necessary to exagerate or lie to make it. Just another example of those who insist upon bashing people who decide to vacation somewhere that they themselves don't like. If you don't like Disney, stay home. If you don't like Disney posts, don't read them. If you can't answer a posted question, don't.
 
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Apr 12th, 2002, 09:34 AM
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To "loving": actually the PHD media observer guy makes a vary valid point about ABC and Disney.
If all media sources were owned by companies trying to push agendas of their own, you might well get only skewed information rather than "the truth".
Since ABC has competition not owned by Disney that isn't going to happen at present. But the notion is a still a little disturbing.
Can you imagine life without reliable news info? That would be really creepy.
 
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Apr 12th, 2002, 10:01 AM
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"To the posters who are worried and concerned about the people who enjoy <CULTS>, please relax. No one will force you to go there. To those concerned about the commercialism, what do you expect? No one will force you to buy there. To the poor person who actually lost weight there, please eat. Perhaps you will find a better meal at BK or Mickey D's. I believe the people who are the most distressed by their <HEAVEN'S GATE> visits are those whose expectations were way too high to begin with. Possibly this is a pattern with them of "putting things on a pedistal" and then being disapointed beyond what is reasonable. Anyone who goes to <SCIENTOLOGY> expecting private time on quiet beaches or empty rides is bound to be disapointed. I believe with todays mass communication, most people are aware that <RETIREE CONDOS> is located in Florida (hot in summer), and is visited by many people every day, some who do not even use deodorant. Since they have boundries on the property, it tends to become crowded as more people arrive. Hence, the crowds and heat. Therefore, since this is common knowledge it may be not be the best place for people to visit who know ahead of time that they do not enjoy this type of thing. None of what I said has anything to do with a "cult", or bashing anyone who disagrees. I am saying it to point out that some people are simply unreasonable and it is unfair to blame Disney for this. I promise not to complain the next time that I walk up the Eiffel Tower that there are too many steps, or that a Zoo smells bad in the heat."
 
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