Ideas for short driving tour around Washington DC, please
Oct 19th, 2014, 01:30 AM
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Hello again everyone!
Looked at The Little Inn at Washington and while it looks utterly lovely, I think that level of luxe is not what we're looking for from this trip. My thinking is that to appreciate it fully, it's the kind of place I'd want to park myself in the Inn for most of the time we were booked in to it, and we're thinking more of finding some nice overnight spots but being out and about in the day. Given that intention, I think the high prices would be wasted to an extent...
Our thinking currently is as follows:
4 nights in Washington DC on arrival for family gatherings and the wedding itself (Thursday through Sunday nights). We're booked as part of the wedding party into the Omni Shoreham, which looks nice.
That leaves us 4 days to play with.
Right now we're thinking first 2 nights in Richmond, from where we can also visit Williamsburg. So that's Monday and Tuesday nights.
For the last two nights, we're looking at Charlottesville, Staunton or somewhere in that area, either one place for two nights or we can divide two nights across two places.
We need to make our way to Dulles for our flight home on Friday evening, so we have time to sightsee/ drive our way to the airport on Friday morning/ early afternoon as well.
I can't work out whether we should plan to drive Skyline Drive all the way up it's length, or choose a short stretch (such as Waynesborough to Elkton) and take the 81 up for the rest of the way, to hit more interesting towns?
Can anyone help me with thoughts on those last two overnights between Richmond and Dulles?
Thank you again!
x
Looked at The Little Inn at Washington and while it looks utterly lovely, I think that level of luxe is not what we're looking for from this trip. My thinking is that to appreciate it fully, it's the kind of place I'd want to park myself in the Inn for most of the time we were booked in to it, and we're thinking more of finding some nice overnight spots but being out and about in the day. Given that intention, I think the high prices would be wasted to an extent...
Our thinking currently is as follows:
4 nights in Washington DC on arrival for family gatherings and the wedding itself (Thursday through Sunday nights). We're booked as part of the wedding party into the Omni Shoreham, which looks nice.
That leaves us 4 days to play with.
Right now we're thinking first 2 nights in Richmond, from where we can also visit Williamsburg. So that's Monday and Tuesday nights.
For the last two nights, we're looking at Charlottesville, Staunton or somewhere in that area, either one place for two nights or we can divide two nights across two places.
We need to make our way to Dulles for our flight home on Friday evening, so we have time to sightsee/ drive our way to the airport on Friday morning/ early afternoon as well.
I can't work out whether we should plan to drive Skyline Drive all the way up it's length, or choose a short stretch (such as Waynesborough to Elkton) and take the 81 up for the rest of the way, to hit more interesting towns?
Can anyone help me with thoughts on those last two overnights between Richmond and Dulles?
Thank you again!
x
Oct 19th, 2014, 03:16 AM
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I can only comment on your time at the Omni Shoreham.
There are a number of restaurants in the area by that hotel, in IMO, the VERY best in the area (and one of my favorites in DC), is Petits Plats:
http://www.petitsplats.com
It's casual and non-pretentious and consistently good. Not a 5* by any means, but I've been very well satisfied by any number of meals there.
There are also some restaurants in the area that I do NOT recommend, even though they often appear on "go here" lists.
- New Heights: My first time here was with 2 other people; we each ordered 3 different dishes and we each found that at least one our our dishes was “off” in some way. I’ve had that same experience when I’ve returned – at least one dish in three doesn’t work. But I won’t return, because on two separate occassions when I had a reservation as a solo diner, I literally watched them delete my reservation from their online display and then turn to me to say that they would not seat me. IMO, that is not acceptable.
- The Lebanese Taverna was once a great place to go. IMO, neither the food and the service currently justify going there.
- The District Kitchen has very poor sound-proofing (and so is REALLY loud) and serves overpriced meals with too much protein and not enough of anything else. JMO.
Hope that helps!
There are a number of restaurants in the area by that hotel, in IMO, the VERY best in the area (and one of my favorites in DC), is Petits Plats:
http://www.petitsplats.com
It's casual and non-pretentious and consistently good. Not a 5* by any means, but I've been very well satisfied by any number of meals there.
There are also some restaurants in the area that I do NOT recommend, even though they often appear on "go here" lists.
- New Heights: My first time here was with 2 other people; we each ordered 3 different dishes and we each found that at least one our our dishes was “off” in some way. I’ve had that same experience when I’ve returned – at least one dish in three doesn’t work. But I won’t return, because on two separate occassions when I had a reservation as a solo diner, I literally watched them delete my reservation from their online display and then turn to me to say that they would not seat me. IMO, that is not acceptable.
- The Lebanese Taverna was once a great place to go. IMO, neither the food and the service currently justify going there.
- The District Kitchen has very poor sound-proofing (and so is REALLY loud) and serves overpriced meals with too much protein and not enough of anything else. JMO.
Hope that helps!
Oct 19th, 2014, 05:56 AM
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Love the look of Carytown and the Fan District in Richmond.
BUT there seem to be so few hotels in those two areas???
I've found a couple of elegant but not too pricy B&Bs but one I like is full for our dates and another looks fabulous but doesn't make it's cancellation conditions very clear.
For the moment, I've booked a room at the DoubleTree by Hilton Richmond Downtown, as I can cancel that without any charge, via booking.com but I'd rather be closer to the action for restaurants etc. and it sounds as though Carytown and Fan District are where that's at.
BUT there seem to be so few hotels in those two areas???
I've found a couple of elegant but not too pricy B&Bs but one I like is full for our dates and another looks fabulous but doesn't make it's cancellation conditions very clear.
For the moment, I've booked a room at the DoubleTree by Hilton Richmond Downtown, as I can cancel that without any charge, via booking.com but I'd rather be closer to the action for restaurants etc. and it sounds as though Carytown and Fan District are where that's at.
Oct 19th, 2014, 07:12 AM
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I've also booked into a lovely looking B&B near the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts Museum, which I think will be perfect. Once I hear back from them on confirmation (I have the booking email but have sent a couple of additional queries), I'll cancel the back up booking at the DoubleTree.
The other two nights, I do not have a CLUE what to do!!!!
The other two nights, I do not have a CLUE what to do!!!!
Oct 19th, 2014, 08:07 AM
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Richmond is a great place to eat. Less so as a place to stay. Hope someone can give you good info on hotels or B&Bs. That Doubletree is kind of meh.
I'd skip Williamsburg and head west after Richmond to do food, beer and the sights of Virginia's Piedmont and Skyline Drive. You could stay in either Charlottesville and/or Staunton or at a B&B at one of the smaller towns along the beer "trails" in the area -- Lovingston, Afton, Roseland, Nellysford. The distances between and among them are not huge, traffic congestion is not much of an issue.
Lots, of good info here, including links for places to stay:
http://www.virginia.org/craftbeer/
Places I love to eat: Duner's (just west of C'ville - no bookings), The Shack (Staunton, no bookings), and Zynodea (Staunton, bookings!). They are all farm-to-face modern Southern cuisine.
Splitting Friday between the Skyline Drive and the return to Dulles is certainly doable. I don't think you're going to want to drive the entire length -- speed limits are low. It's also got a bit of a weather contingency. Rainy days can be misty or foggy and reduce some of the bigger vistas. Still worth a visit though.
Don't underestimate Friday congestion in the Dulles airport area. Leave yourself plenty of time to dump the car and get to the terminal.
Sorry to get bogged down in the practical details but where do you intend to rent a car? Presumably you're not going to rent one at Dulles when you arrive and pay to park it during the DC leg of your trip? You won't need it to see DC.
So a later start on Monday, the business of renting a car, and leaving anytime after 2pm from DC to Richmond will kill the better part of Monday. Not saying you shouldn't do it but gauge your expectations for a slog and not a pootle. One alternative would be the aforementioned Alexandria for Monday night. Easy public transportation from DC. Lots of great food there and it's a very pretty town/city to wander around.
I'd skip Williamsburg and head west after Richmond to do food, beer and the sights of Virginia's Piedmont and Skyline Drive. You could stay in either Charlottesville and/or Staunton or at a B&B at one of the smaller towns along the beer "trails" in the area -- Lovingston, Afton, Roseland, Nellysford. The distances between and among them are not huge, traffic congestion is not much of an issue.
Lots, of good info here, including links for places to stay:
http://www.virginia.org/craftbeer/
Places I love to eat: Duner's (just west of C'ville - no bookings), The Shack (Staunton, no bookings), and Zynodea (Staunton, bookings!). They are all farm-to-face modern Southern cuisine.
Splitting Friday between the Skyline Drive and the return to Dulles is certainly doable. I don't think you're going to want to drive the entire length -- speed limits are low. It's also got a bit of a weather contingency. Rainy days can be misty or foggy and reduce some of the bigger vistas. Still worth a visit though.
Don't underestimate Friday congestion in the Dulles airport area. Leave yourself plenty of time to dump the car and get to the terminal.
Sorry to get bogged down in the practical details but where do you intend to rent a car? Presumably you're not going to rent one at Dulles when you arrive and pay to park it during the DC leg of your trip? You won't need it to see DC.
So a later start on Monday, the business of renting a car, and leaving anytime after 2pm from DC to Richmond will kill the better part of Monday. Not saying you shouldn't do it but gauge your expectations for a slog and not a pootle. One alternative would be the aforementioned Alexandria for Monday night. Easy public transportation from DC. Lots of great food there and it's a very pretty town/city to wander around.
Oct 19th, 2014, 08:28 AM
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Thank you, this is really helpful.
I was debating whether or not to ditch Williamsburg, the more I read the more the attractions there are historical ones of more emotional significance to Americans than to visitors.
The beer and restaurant information is HUGELY helpful, thank you so much. I'll get stuck in to that!
We had intended to rent the car for when we leave Washington DC on the Monday morning, we're usually early start kind of people, so we'd like to get away good and early. I'm wondering whether we'd be better off taking a train out of the centre to a southern suburb with a station-located rental office and renting the car from there? Any thoughts?
And yes, completely understand we'll need to leave plenty of time to get back to Dulles. I'm one of the paranoid types who build in plenty of contingency time ahead of flights, so I'll make sure to take into account likelihood of a lot of traffic there, especially as we might hit Friday rush hour.
Do you have any tips on how best to route ourselves between leaving Richmond and heading for Dulles, that will take in a stretch of the Skyline Drive, some brewery and restaurant towns and some good eating. We're open on where we stay those two nights, but I would like to book.
And re the DoubleTree, I've booked a B&B just by the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts Museum in Richmond, so I think that'll be far nicer than the Hilton!
Thanks again!
I was debating whether or not to ditch Williamsburg, the more I read the more the attractions there are historical ones of more emotional significance to Americans than to visitors.
The beer and restaurant information is HUGELY helpful, thank you so much. I'll get stuck in to that!
We had intended to rent the car for when we leave Washington DC on the Monday morning, we're usually early start kind of people, so we'd like to get away good and early. I'm wondering whether we'd be better off taking a train out of the centre to a southern suburb with a station-located rental office and renting the car from there? Any thoughts?
And yes, completely understand we'll need to leave plenty of time to get back to Dulles. I'm one of the paranoid types who build in plenty of contingency time ahead of flights, so I'll make sure to take into account likelihood of a lot of traffic there, especially as we might hit Friday rush hour.
Do you have any tips on how best to route ourselves between leaving Richmond and heading for Dulles, that will take in a stretch of the Skyline Drive, some brewery and restaurant towns and some good eating. We're open on where we stay those two nights, but I would like to book.
And re the DoubleTree, I've booked a B&B just by the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts Museum in Richmond, so I think that'll be far nicer than the Hilton!
Thanks again!
Oct 19th, 2014, 09:05 AM
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We had intended to rent the car for when we leave Washington DC on the Monday morning, we're usually early start kind of people, so we'd like to get away good and early. I'm wondering whether we'd be better off taking a train out of the centre to a southern suburb with a station-located rental office and renting the car from there? Any thoughts?
You mentioned above that Monday was the day after the wedding so I had the (mis?) impression that Monday am might be dawdling. There is an Enterprise Rental place at the Marriott only a couple of minutes from the Omni. I would compare prices there for a rental with picking up a car at Reagan National Airport which is south of the city and in the general direction you are heading. It's an easy metro ride from the Omni to Reagan. You might consider asking at the hotel what the cost of a shuttle to Dulles would be. There could be some significant cost savings for pick up/drop off same location. I hate renting cars so my husband always does that job. Someone else may have a better idea.
Do you have any tips on how best to route ourselves between leaving Richmond and heading for Dulles, that will take in a stretch of the Skyline Drive, some brewery and restaurant towns and some good eating. We're open on where we stay those two nights, but I would like to book.
Yes, I-64 west out of Richmond towards Charlottesville. It is an interstate but as a drive it's pretty relaxing, not a lot of traffic and becomes countryside relatively soon. And then higher elevations as you continue further west. If you look at google maps you'll see that all of the places I mentioned, except Staunton, can be accessed from I-64.
I was debating whether or not to ditch Williamsburg, the more I read the more the attractions there are historical ones of more emotional significance to Americans than to visitors.
Yes, I agree. Would be worth a visit for you, more food and beer plus seeing the pretty Tidewater part of VA , if you had more time.
You mentioned above that Monday was the day after the wedding so I had the (mis?) impression that Monday am might be dawdling. There is an Enterprise Rental place at the Marriott only a couple of minutes from the Omni. I would compare prices there for a rental with picking up a car at Reagan National Airport which is south of the city and in the general direction you are heading. It's an easy metro ride from the Omni to Reagan. You might consider asking at the hotel what the cost of a shuttle to Dulles would be. There could be some significant cost savings for pick up/drop off same location. I hate renting cars so my husband always does that job. Someone else may have a better idea.
Do you have any tips on how best to route ourselves between leaving Richmond and heading for Dulles, that will take in a stretch of the Skyline Drive, some brewery and restaurant towns and some good eating. We're open on where we stay those two nights, but I would like to book.
Yes, I-64 west out of Richmond towards Charlottesville. It is an interstate but as a drive it's pretty relaxing, not a lot of traffic and becomes countryside relatively soon. And then higher elevations as you continue further west. If you look at google maps you'll see that all of the places I mentioned, except Staunton, can be accessed from I-64.
I was debating whether or not to ditch Williamsburg, the more I read the more the attractions there are historical ones of more emotional significance to Americans than to visitors.
Yes, I agree. Would be worth a visit for you, more food and beer plus seeing the pretty Tidewater part of VA , if you had more time.
Oct 19th, 2014, 01:10 PM
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Thanks Obxgirl (so happy to see familiar faces from long ago threads on the European board),
I KEEP saying the wedding is on the Sunday - I think because my sister's wedding in Croatia this summer was on the Sunday. BUT it's actually on the Saturday, as my dad and husband keep reminding me. So we'll have Sunday to recover after the wedding. Sorry for that slip up!
Will look at the rental car options this week...
I've made a personal map on Google already so know the route you mean, so I'm glad to hear that I-64 is a relaxing drive as it looks like a key route.
Thank you again for the input, really appreciate it.
I KEEP saying the wedding is on the Sunday - I think because my sister's wedding in Croatia this summer was on the Sunday. BUT it's actually on the Saturday, as my dad and husband keep reminding me. So we'll have Sunday to recover after the wedding. Sorry for that slip up!
Will look at the rental car options this week...
I've made a personal map on Google already so know the route you mean, so I'm glad to hear that I-64 is a relaxing drive as it looks like a key route.
Thank you again for the input, really appreciate it.
Oct 19th, 2014, 06:49 PM
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"plus seeing the pretty Tidewater part of VA "
This alone would motivate me to drive the one hour to see the scenic natural areas around our rivers and marshy creeks especially since you'll be spending so much of your time in cities and in the mountains but I don't know your personal preferences.
I second the Duners recommendation and will add Tavola for dinner and Bluegrass Grill and Bakery for breakfast.
http://tavolavino.com
Look at Keswick Hall. It's not quite as expensive as Inn at Little Washington.
http://www.keswick.com/keswick_hall.aspx
I have a great wine tasting route in Charlottesville if you'd like it.
If you're going to the Parkway from Cville, a pretty route is on 664 past Wintergreen, west of Crozet.
This alone would motivate me to drive the one hour to see the scenic natural areas around our rivers and marshy creeks especially since you'll be spending so much of your time in cities and in the mountains but I don't know your personal preferences.
I second the Duners recommendation and will add Tavola for dinner and Bluegrass Grill and Bakery for breakfast.
http://tavolavino.com
Look at Keswick Hall. It's not quite as expensive as Inn at Little Washington.
http://www.keswick.com/keswick_hall.aspx
I have a great wine tasting route in Charlottesville if you'd like it.
If you're going to the Parkway from Cville, a pretty route is on 664 past Wintergreen, west of Crozet.
Oct 20th, 2014, 01:21 PM
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Hello again all,
We've made the key bookings - car rental and accommodation - so now we'll do further research and pull together a loose itinerary.
In the end we rented the car in central Washington DC as there's an Enterprise depot right by our hotel and, surprisingly, it was far cheaper to rent it from there than make our way south out of the centre first...
I booked two nights in a B&B in Richmond, it's right opposite the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts Museum in Richmond and looks lovely and the email I've had from the owner has already been very helpful.
I've also just splurged and booked the other 2 nights in a cabin at The Iris Inn near Waynesborough because, OMG look at the cabins! Each one is huge and pretty luxurious, has a lovely view and a big hot tub on an enclosed deck looking down over the woodland. Gorgeous. And breakfast sounds good, they also have some nice information about nearby breweries and wineries in the region, that we can visit. Of course we could visit those from anywhere but this place just appealed so much.
I had been looking at Staunton but none of the B&Bs really appealed, except one and that was fully booked already, probably because it was the only one with large rooms, king size beds and modern but classic decor.
We'll probably still head over that way for a visit, or maybe even dinner one night.
Thank you again for the help,
Now it's just pinning down some of the dinners, not that I need to decide/ book them all but I like to have a shortlist and make occasional bookings in advance if needed.
We've made the key bookings - car rental and accommodation - so now we'll do further research and pull together a loose itinerary.
In the end we rented the car in central Washington DC as there's an Enterprise depot right by our hotel and, surprisingly, it was far cheaper to rent it from there than make our way south out of the centre first...
I booked two nights in a B&B in Richmond, it's right opposite the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts Museum in Richmond and looks lovely and the email I've had from the owner has already been very helpful.
I've also just splurged and booked the other 2 nights in a cabin at The Iris Inn near Waynesborough because, OMG look at the cabins! Each one is huge and pretty luxurious, has a lovely view and a big hot tub on an enclosed deck looking down over the woodland. Gorgeous. And breakfast sounds good, they also have some nice information about nearby breweries and wineries in the region, that we can visit. Of course we could visit those from anywhere but this place just appealed so much.
I had been looking at Staunton but none of the B&Bs really appealed, except one and that was fully booked already, probably because it was the only one with large rooms, king size beds and modern but classic decor.
We'll probably still head over that way for a visit, or maybe even dinner one night.
Thank you again for the help,
Now it's just pinning down some of the dinners, not that I need to decide/ book them all but I like to have a shortlist and make occasional bookings in advance if needed.
Oct 20th, 2014, 10:14 PM
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Duh, that Enterprise depot was the one Obxgirl specifically mentioned! Ha!
Birdie, I did look at Keswick Hall but I decided against. I think in the US the historic buildings hold a high appeal for national visitors but being based in London, they're not a big deal for me. But I was drawn to a traditional style B&B in Richmond which totally says "East Coast America" to me and we've gone for the modern cabin in woodland setting for the other two nights.
When you reference the recommendation to see the Tidewater part of VA, can you give me any more information? I'm not really following...
Thanks again!
Birdie, I did look at Keswick Hall but I decided against. I think in the US the historic buildings hold a high appeal for national visitors but being based in London, they're not a big deal for me. But I was drawn to a traditional style B&B in Richmond which totally says "East Coast America" to me and we've gone for the modern cabin in woodland setting for the other two nights.
When you reference the recommendation to see the Tidewater part of VA, can you give me any more information? I'm not really following...
Thanks again!
Nov 15th, 2014, 09:26 PM
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Just got back last night, thank you for all the recommendations!
In Washington DC, we stayed at the Omni Shoreham, where the wedding was held. Lovely wedding, can't say I was very impressed with the hotel. Rooms (ours at least) were worn and in desperate need of refurbishment, though the mattress/ bedding were fine. Service was mostly pretty poor, in some cases, appalling. I couldn't recommend the place.
We had some lovely meals, Petits Plats was charming, thanks for that. A friend here also recommended Blue Duck Tavern and Burger Tap & Shake, both of which we loved.
And isn't the DC Metro absolutely gorgeous? But with the slowest escalators I've ever encountered! Loved the 70s sci-fi vibe, though!
In Richmond, we adored our B&B, the Museum District B&B. We stayed in the Carriage House, a cosy standalone room out back, in a converted garage. Actually lovely. Host was very nice, cheese and wine each afternoon was lovely chance to chat with fellow guests, the host and her neighbours. And breakfast was superb. Oh and we skipped Edo's Squid as the more I looked, the less the menu appealed, I've never been a fan of American Italian as I find it so different to Italian Italian, and not in a way I enjoy. Instead we followed the host's recommendations and particularly loved the Belmont Food Shop and Kuba Kuba. We were less impressed with Acacia.
Afterwards we had 2 nights in a cabin at The Iris Inn. Cabins are stunning, really lovely indeed. Staff friendly too, though the named hosts of the B&B were not present. To be honest, it's more of a family-run hotel than a B&B really. Only let down here was the breakfast, which the site makes quite a deal of. The one (no-choice) dish per day is tasty, and comes with a tiny serving of fresh fruit but there's nothing alongside, no bread or toast or pastries, no cereals or yoghurts. I'm not expecting a hotel-style full buffet but a small selection would go a long long way.
We had good lunches at Blue Mountain Brewery and the Devils Backbone Brewing Company. For dinner we just went to local places in Waynesboro, The Green Leaf (decent) and a cheap Chinese buffet (fine for the price and what we fancied).
Did some lovely driving/ sightseeing and rather a lot of shopping.
Main thoughts are that we definitely want to go back to Virginia for a longer trip next time!
Thanks again to everyone for all your help and suggestions.
Kavey
In Washington DC, we stayed at the Omni Shoreham, where the wedding was held. Lovely wedding, can't say I was very impressed with the hotel. Rooms (ours at least) were worn and in desperate need of refurbishment, though the mattress/ bedding were fine. Service was mostly pretty poor, in some cases, appalling. I couldn't recommend the place.
We had some lovely meals, Petits Plats was charming, thanks for that. A friend here also recommended Blue Duck Tavern and Burger Tap & Shake, both of which we loved.
And isn't the DC Metro absolutely gorgeous? But with the slowest escalators I've ever encountered! Loved the 70s sci-fi vibe, though!
In Richmond, we adored our B&B, the Museum District B&B. We stayed in the Carriage House, a cosy standalone room out back, in a converted garage. Actually lovely. Host was very nice, cheese and wine each afternoon was lovely chance to chat with fellow guests, the host and her neighbours. And breakfast was superb. Oh and we skipped Edo's Squid as the more I looked, the less the menu appealed, I've never been a fan of American Italian as I find it so different to Italian Italian, and not in a way I enjoy. Instead we followed the host's recommendations and particularly loved the Belmont Food Shop and Kuba Kuba. We were less impressed with Acacia.
Afterwards we had 2 nights in a cabin at The Iris Inn. Cabins are stunning, really lovely indeed. Staff friendly too, though the named hosts of the B&B were not present. To be honest, it's more of a family-run hotel than a B&B really. Only let down here was the breakfast, which the site makes quite a deal of. The one (no-choice) dish per day is tasty, and comes with a tiny serving of fresh fruit but there's nothing alongside, no bread or toast or pastries, no cereals or yoghurts. I'm not expecting a hotel-style full buffet but a small selection would go a long long way.
We had good lunches at Blue Mountain Brewery and the Devils Backbone Brewing Company. For dinner we just went to local places in Waynesboro, The Green Leaf (decent) and a cheap Chinese buffet (fine for the price and what we fancied).
Did some lovely driving/ sightseeing and rather a lot of shopping.
Main thoughts are that we definitely want to go back to Virginia for a longer trip next time!
Thanks again to everyone for all your help and suggestions.
Kavey
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I just saw this - Kavey, do you remember we had a lovely meal in Chinatown on our visit to London, many years ago? (2000 or 2004, I think?)
I now live about 2 hours drive from DC - if I had seen this before I might have tried to come out and meet you. I'm glad you had a great time!
I now live about 2 hours drive from DC - if I had seen this before I might have tried to come out and meet you. I'm glad you had a great time!
