How safe is San Francisco?
Jun 6th, 2002 | 06:19 AM
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How safe is San Francisco?
After reading messages re: how bad San Francisco has become, I'm wondering if I want to spend my only vacation this year there. I visited 15 years ago, have always wanted to go back.I stayed on Union Sq., walked around everywhere at night and thought I was in heaven! Has it changed that much? I visit NYC often and feel perfectly safe, visited Chicago this year and felt threatened. What's the real story? I don't want to go to Disney World, but don't need to be hassled or feel unsafe on vacation.
Jun 6th, 2002 | 07:57 AM
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I was there in the fall. It was my first visit, so I can't tell you the difference from 15 years ago, but I did feel safe during the day as a solo traveler. At night was the same way, except when we were squeezed in the crowds on Halloween night in the Castro.
I didn't find it any different than walking the streets of NYC or DC.
I didn't find it any different than walking the streets of NYC or DC.
Jun 6th, 2002 | 10:06 AM
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SF is fine! Honestly, I don't know what everyone is complaining about. I have lived there the past four years and feel completely safe. Of course, don't be stupid... you have to be careful at night in any city. If you're used to NYC, I imagine you'll wonder what the big deal is.
Jun 6th, 2002 | 11:12 AM
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It's not that we locals are barricated in our apartments in fear! My husband never worries if I'm out. I walk home from theaters living in Nob Hill area. Common sense never hurt anybody, keep your purse hanging diagonally, not hanging on one shoulder so it can't be snitched. Look at who is around you. And don't have a paranoid look on your face. I'm sure you can find safety advices on the web. And just enjoy your vacation.
Jun 6th, 2002 | 11:42 AM
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Annie,
I recently have been to both San Francisco and New York City, and NYC to me seemed alot safer. NYC basically never sleeps, so there are always people on the streets, subways, etc. In San Francisco, much of the city closes down after dark, and this is when most of the druggies and prostitutes tend to take over. However, even during the day, the shady characters, which primarily target tourist areas as well as public transportation, create an uneasy atmosphere.
I recently have been to both San Francisco and New York City, and NYC to me seemed alot safer. NYC basically never sleeps, so there are always people on the streets, subways, etc. In San Francisco, much of the city closes down after dark, and this is when most of the druggies and prostitutes tend to take over. However, even during the day, the shady characters, which primarily target tourist areas as well as public transportation, create an uneasy atmosphere.
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Jun 6th, 2002 | 12:01 PM
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Darlene,
Where do you hang out after dark, sweetheart? Unless you are a Pro or lookin' to score why would you be in those areas where it is so rampant?
And please don't say it's all over SF. That lie is getting pretty darn old. Even the "I Luv San Jose" trolls are tired of using it.
As for NYC, it has around 7 million more people than SF and is a bit larger in sq miles so of course you may have a few more people around.
Where do you hang out after dark, sweetheart? Unless you are a Pro or lookin' to score why would you be in those areas where it is so rampant?
And please don't say it's all over SF. That lie is getting pretty darn old. Even the "I Luv San Jose" trolls are tired of using it.
As for NYC, it has around 7 million more people than SF and is a bit larger in sq miles so of course you may have a few more people around.
Jun 6th, 2002 | 12:11 PM
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Darlene's just perpetuating the same old tired lies she uses under different screen names. I must give her credit for coming up with so many aliases, however!
I am in San Francisco now, staying at the Westin St. Francis right in the middle of what Darlene (and her personalities) would call homelessville. There are homeless here (perhaps more than in my home city of Chicago) but for years that's been part of the SF story.
I have not felt threatened, uneasy or even looked at funny. Nor has my wife, who has turned a business trip-with-the-spouse into a world class shopping spree!
I am in San Francisco now, staying at the Westin St. Francis right in the middle of what Darlene (and her personalities) would call homelessville. There are homeless here (perhaps more than in my home city of Chicago) but for years that's been part of the SF story.
I have not felt threatened, uneasy or even looked at funny. Nor has my wife, who has turned a business trip-with-the-spouse into a world class shopping spree!
Jun 6th, 2002 | 12:17 PM
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Who ARE these people from San Jose? They are infecting this site with their ridiculous recommendations that vacationers go there. Nobody wants to go home and say they spent their vacation in San JOse. Where? Huh?
Here let me save you San Jose lovers some time. Usual response to a post like this. "Don't listen to X. He/she is just working for the SF visitors Center, blah blah blah"
Here let me save you San Jose lovers some time. Usual response to a post like this. "Don't listen to X. He/she is just working for the SF visitors Center, blah blah blah"
Jun 6th, 2002 | 12:19 PM
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annie,
when i lived there, i walked around by myself everywhere during the day, and by myself at night in familiar, well-lit areas with good foot traffic. i've had no problems walking around the union square area at night by myself, it's pretty busy. the only time i've ever had problems was when a group of us (3 women) were walking around the mission district at night looking for an address. a cab driver pulled over and took us to the restaurant we were looking for at no charge. he told us we shouldn't be walking around alone at night in that neigborhood. that's the extent of my scary/threatening experiences in the city over the course of 5 years. i'm in my late 20's and just moved away.
as for the "scary" panhandlers that people talk about, just ignore them and keep walking. they seem to target those who respond meekly or look at them with nervousness and fear. they never really bothered me. a firm "no" always did the trick.
when i lived there, i walked around by myself everywhere during the day, and by myself at night in familiar, well-lit areas with good foot traffic. i've had no problems walking around the union square area at night by myself, it's pretty busy. the only time i've ever had problems was when a group of us (3 women) were walking around the mission district at night looking for an address. a cab driver pulled over and took us to the restaurant we were looking for at no charge. he told us we shouldn't be walking around alone at night in that neigborhood. that's the extent of my scary/threatening experiences in the city over the course of 5 years. i'm in my late 20's and just moved away.
as for the "scary" panhandlers that people talk about, just ignore them and keep walking. they seem to target those who respond meekly or look at them with nervousness and fear. they never really bothered me. a firm "no" always did the trick.
Jun 6th, 2002 | 12:26 PM
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JJ,
San Jose is a model city. One of the safest big cities in the country, great culture and restaurants, good schools as far as urban schools go, the best weather in northern California, close proximity to the Monterey Bay, Yosemite, and Lake Tahoe. Incidentally, which city in Northern Caliornia contributed most to the state's economic prosperity, San Jose, NOT SF! San Jose workforce is highly educated with one of the largest disposable incomes in the country. The fact that San Jose has one of the highest real estate prices in the country points to it being a desirable city.
San Jose is a model city. One of the safest big cities in the country, great culture and restaurants, good schools as far as urban schools go, the best weather in northern California, close proximity to the Monterey Bay, Yosemite, and Lake Tahoe. Incidentally, which city in Northern Caliornia contributed most to the state's economic prosperity, San Jose, NOT SF! San Jose workforce is highly educated with one of the largest disposable incomes in the country. The fact that San Jose has one of the highest real estate prices in the country points to it being a desirable city.
Jun 6th, 2002 | 12:28 PM
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Darlene, I've pulled up the crime stats for San Francisco and New York and compared them. SF has a LOWER violent crime rate than New York. See for yourself: http://www.bestplaces.net/html/crimecompare3.asp?lcity=349&rcity=1580&view=T
As a fellow San Jose resident, let me just say that you do our city a great disservice by constantly bashing a fellow Bay Area city.
As a fellow San Jose resident, let me just say that you do our city a great disservice by constantly bashing a fellow Bay Area city.
Jun 6th, 2002 | 12:30 PM
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I was just in SF and felt quite safe. We were amazed at how quiet the city gets after dark. In all, during the 6 days we were there, we had 3 "panhandlers" come up to us. One was doing a spill about writing you up for things like not holding hands or whatever. My husband thought it was entertaining so we bought the 2 t-shirts he was selling for $7.00. One asked us for money and/or the leftover food we were carrying (which we should have given him because we ended up not eating it) and the 3rd was in Washington Square Park -- a homeless woman tried to start a conversation, asking for a cigarette, and my husband shooed her on.
Nevertheless, we never felt threatened. I liked how small the area was, that we could walk from FW to downtown, using the trolleys occasionally. I never smelled urine like everyone talks about and didn't think the city was trashy (even though I did see a little trash in one area). Even though FW is touristy, I thought it was nice and a fun place to hang out.
Nevertheless, we never felt threatened. I liked how small the area was, that we could walk from FW to downtown, using the trolleys occasionally. I never smelled urine like everyone talks about and didn't think the city was trashy (even though I did see a little trash in one area). Even though FW is touristy, I thought it was nice and a fun place to hang out.
