Do We Still Travel During War??
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I'm probably not going to hop on the next flight to Baghdad.
But I am going to travel. Have a U S trip planned for March, and an overseas trip planned for May.
I think you'll have a great time in Hawaii. In fact, I kinda wish I were going there. Someplace warm . . . ahhh.
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Last year in October my mom had a trip to Austria, Czech Republic, and Turkey planned. Then the US starting bombing Afghanistan. She did cut Turkey out of the trip, too close to the action, but she still took the trip. Her trip to Scandinavia had been canceled the year before due to her bout with cancer so she sure wasn't going to let a little thing like WAR make her miss out on her travels 2 years in a row!
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No one has mentioned the moral implications of travelling during war. I mean - generally those who travel for leisure do so to enjoy ourselves. But at a time of war, a time of national sacrifice, when many families of soldiers in the U.S. and innocent civilians in Iraq may be mourning the death of loved ones, is it right to travel? Will I even enjoy myself after reading about such casualties? I have definitely been thinking about this, but haven't changed my plans yet!
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Tommy, I guess I don't understand the connection. Maybe we should also feel guilty about traveling and spending money while people are starving, even in our own country. Or we should feel guilty that people are suffering from incurable diseases. But just like with war, I don't see what one has to do with the other.
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It's nice to know some are thinking beyond hedonistic pursuits, whether in or out of war, tommy. If your gut's got you questioning the morality of leisure travel during war, maybe you should be thinking about a more meaningful "sacrifice" than just postponing your trip. But IMO, that's your cross, not mine.
girlfriendred, if you decide not to go, I'll buy your tickets at $.50 on the $1.00.
girlfriendred, if you decide not to go, I'll buy your tickets at $.50 on the $1.00.
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I thought about it EdnaB, and here is why I think there is a difference btw terminal illness and starvation versus war. Illness is a fact of life, there is nothing I can do to prevent it and it just happens. And while theoretically, starvation is preventable, in reality, it isn't. These people are victims of uncontrollable circumstances that have nothing to do with me or my actions. But when it comes to war, whether we agree with the reasons for it or not, we as Americans are in it together, collectively. Therefore, our soldiers who risk their lives are in reality risking their lives for me. They are making a sacrifice, so that in the end, you and I can live our lives freely and under all of the ideals that define us as Americans. When someone is sacrificing something so important in my name, I have to question if it is morally correct to undertake something as frivolous as holiday travel. Hunger and disease are terrible things, but in these situations, no one is making a sacrifice in my name that might make me queston my own actions regarding personal fulfillment.
Concerning beachbum's suggestion of a more "meaningful sacrfice", I suppose you are suggesting I enlist? I am far too old and gay to be accepted as a volunteer in the armed services. But that shouldn't stop me from considering the moral implications of my actions during a time of war.
Concerning beachbum's suggestion of a more "meaningful sacrfice", I suppose you are suggesting I enlist? I am far too old and gay to be accepted as a volunteer in the armed services. But that shouldn't stop me from considering the moral implications of my actions during a time of war.
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Flying from london heathrow to pheonix at end of April - can't say I won't be anxious though - Londoners are kind of expecting something terrible to happen - our governments hurry to buy in more body bags isn't too reassuring!
But if we stop because of fear - the terrorists are winning aren't they?
But if we stop because of fear - the terrorists are winning aren't they?
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Tommy,
If a significant number of people take up your cause and "sacrifice" for the cause, more and more people in the travel industry will end up out of work as they did after the events of 9/11/01 when travel fear cause the industry to all but crash. Tens or perhaps hundreds of thousands of people lost jobs in the aftermath. I hope people will consider of these people trying to make a living and for the good of the economy TRAVEL!!! As a person lucky enough to be in a fairly recession / economics resistent industry, I will put my hard-earned dollars into travel, war or not.
If a significant number of people take up your cause and "sacrifice" for the cause, more and more people in the travel industry will end up out of work as they did after the events of 9/11/01 when travel fear cause the industry to all but crash. Tens or perhaps hundreds of thousands of people lost jobs in the aftermath. I hope people will consider of these people trying to make a living and for the good of the economy TRAVEL!!! As a person lucky enough to be in a fairly recession / economics resistent industry, I will put my hard-earned dollars into travel, war or not.
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I took Tommys meaning to be what is right for him...his victory garden so to speak. I also thought it was sincere, eloquent and beautiful. But to allay your fears, SaraLou, I doubt that very few will sacrifice in this particular manner.
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I understand this Coco but my opinion of sacrifice is to actually make a tangible contribution. For example, I plan to take my relative, whose son is a Marine leaving for the Middle East any day now, on a vacation. Her financial situation severely limits her ability to enjoy travel. With her fear and anxiety for her son in war, giving her a relaxing few days away is my way to actually make a difference for those people suffering through this threat of war.
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No, I wasn't suggesting you enlist, Tommy. But, you might:
1. use your travel $$ to organize a rally in support of our troops;
2. provide financial assistance to a family whose bread-winner has been called from reserves to active duty;
3. send $$ to the Red Cross or some other organization in support of re-building lives in Iraq.
I think you get my point; without some level of personal involvement, I think your gut will tell you your "sacrifice" is empty.
1. use your travel $$ to organize a rally in support of our troops;
2. provide financial assistance to a family whose bread-winner has been called from reserves to active duty;
3. send $$ to the Red Cross or some other organization in support of re-building lives in Iraq.
I think you get my point; without some level of personal involvement, I think your gut will tell you your "sacrifice" is empty.
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I will still be traveling some, and I don't think I'll feel any more worry than my usual vague unease about plane travel.
I am a lot more nervous about two trips my 13 year old daughter will be taking. She will take a choir trip to NYC in late March, and a pseudo-school trip to Italy and Greece in early June.
Statistically, I believe that it's extemely unlikely she'll be unsafe, but the old maternal anxiety is kicking in. I've already had a conversation with her about my being a little worried; I don't want her to interpret my allowing her to go as a sign I don't care about her. There are always going to be things to worry about, and I agree with the point about not letting the threat of terrorism curb your enjoyment of life.
I don't think I'll back her out of these trips unless there is a state department warning about an area, or there is other reason to pick out one place on a trip as concerning. I'll try to keep myself very busy while she is gone.
I have been traveling a couple of times close to terrorist activity. When I was pregnant with my daughter, the building next to our hotel in London had an explosion in one room that was supposedly a terrorist messing up on a bomb and killing himself. I was also traveling in France during 9/11, and was riding a bike by the US embassy in France when it was discovered that there was a plot to blow it up.
I am a lot more nervous about two trips my 13 year old daughter will be taking. She will take a choir trip to NYC in late March, and a pseudo-school trip to Italy and Greece in early June.
Statistically, I believe that it's extemely unlikely she'll be unsafe, but the old maternal anxiety is kicking in. I've already had a conversation with her about my being a little worried; I don't want her to interpret my allowing her to go as a sign I don't care about her. There are always going to be things to worry about, and I agree with the point about not letting the threat of terrorism curb your enjoyment of life.
I don't think I'll back her out of these trips unless there is a state department warning about an area, or there is other reason to pick out one place on a trip as concerning. I'll try to keep myself very busy while she is gone.
I have been traveling a couple of times close to terrorist activity. When I was pregnant with my daughter, the building next to our hotel in London had an explosion in one room that was supposedly a terrorist messing up on a bomb and killing himself. I was also traveling in France during 9/11, and was riding a bike by the US embassy in France when it was discovered that there was a plot to blow it up.

