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All of California Issued "Stay at Home" Directive

Old Apr 22nd, 2020, 03:10 PM
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This afternoon after my walk, I went to 99 Cent Only and stocked up on yogurt, but still no baking powder!

I did get some snacks, cherry tomatoes, and ice cream. Also another pair of the sturdy latex cleaning gloves. I wore an old N95 under a cloth mask, since the spacing isn't very good in their stores. Maybe I'll try Aldi tomorrow.

Paper products seem to be in good supply everywhere now although no sign of even the low strength rubbing alcohol. If you eat Udi's gluten free bread, 99 Cent Only had a lot of the white sandwich loaf in the freezer cases.


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Old May 5th, 2020, 05:49 AM
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Newsom has blinked, a little.

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...-retail-pickup

Some retail stores allowed to reopen for curbside pickup, counties and/or cities can submit "containment plans". Maybe he thought they risk losing court challenges on beach closures in Orange County.

"The governor’s plan also expands decision-making at the local level, allowing some communities to move further ahead into the second phase of the reopening process at their own pace and open more businesses — such as restaurant dining rooms — beyond those outlined in the statewide policy."
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Old May 5th, 2020, 08:47 AM
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I understand the urge to loosen regulations that impact the economy, which will have to happen eventually, and at least Newsom's trying to go slowly.

But don't understand the Constitutional argument on the right to hang out at the beach. Someone will have to explain it to me.

I guess you can placate some people with a little retail therapy....
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Old May 5th, 2020, 09:06 AM
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My county, Nevada County, has begun to prepare for a gradual phased reopening.

https://yubanet.com/regional/nevada-...at-home-order/

I went to my first farmer's market of the season this morning, what a pleasure. Everyone wearing masks & "don't touch the produce" signs with vendors doing all the handling. That wasn't ideal from a shopper's perspective but happy to comply if it means I can get fresh produce from growers in the area.
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Old May 5th, 2020, 09:11 AM
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I should add to the above that our total confirmed cases in Nevada County has been 41, 1 death, 38 recovered, 2 active, so relatively low numbers.

https://nevcounty.maps.arcgis.com/ap...fa3fae4cf33458
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Old May 5th, 2020, 01:02 PM
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Glad things are improving for you, Madam P. 5 OC beaches are or will open this week including Huntington Beach and Laguna Beach but I think the parking lots may still be closed which is sort of stupid with temps hitting 80+ close to the coast (I live less than 2 miles from the ocean). Folks still have to stay a safe distance from others, which most do anyway under normal circumstances.
I live in LA County however so lots of things are still shutdown and if I do not get my hair cut I will scream.
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Old May 5th, 2020, 01:19 PM
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I was listening to Newsom's press conference today on the radio. Laguna Beach is only open 6 to 10 a.m. weekday mornings, only allowing active use such as walking, exercising and surfing. Laying down a towel on the sand and hanging out, for example, is not allowed.

https://www.ocregister.com/2020/05/0...ited-use-only/

It seems that Huntington, Seal Beach and Dana Point are also approved.

There has to be some relationship to a public purpose. If people can be controlled to distance themselves the same way that they are supposed to at public parks and narrow sidewalks, there is probably no legal way to win a lawsuit that is a total ban on beach walking/running while still allowing other outside activities.

Case in point a ridiculous amount of close walking and people sitting and standing on Bluff Top Park in Long Beach. Same with some narrow trails, people running up right behind walkers. The bike path along the LA River is a virtual bicycle freeway. It would be a lot easier and safer to space out on the sand.

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Old May 5th, 2020, 01:23 PM
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BTW I went to the Ralphs on "the Hill" today after a visit to the South Coast Botanic Garden.

I got the last bag of whole wheat flour, baking powder, bacon and black-eyed peas.
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Old May 5th, 2020, 01:25 PM
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MmePerdu, I hope your county's numbers stay low, but the level of testing is low too, as it is everywhere in the state, so you really don't know how many cases there are or have been. And you're not on an island. Next door in Placer and Yuba counties, there are more than 150 known active cases and who-knows-how-many unknown, asymptomatic cases.

My husband and I learned last week that we were exposed to Covid in February by a known source or perhaps earlier by an unknown source. We were never sick but have just tested positive for the virus' antibodies. I don't know how or if L.A. County considers that sort of info in their counts, so how many others like us haven't been tested and aren't being counted?
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Old May 5th, 2020, 01:42 PM
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MmePerdu, I hope your county's numbers stay low, . . . you're not on an island.
What?? Not an island?? Damn!! Would it help if we were? Like the UK? I guess not. Guess we'll just have to pay attention then.
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I was listening to Newsom's press conference today on the radio. Laguna Beach is only open 6 to 10 a.m. weekday mornings, only allowing active use such as walking, exercising and surfing. Laying down a towel on the sand and hanging out, for example, is not allowed.

https://www.ocregister.com/2020/05/0...ited-use-only/

It seems that Huntington, Seal Beach and Dana Point are also approved.

There has to be some relationship to a public purpose. If people can be controlled to distance themselves the same way that they are supposed to at public parks and narrow sidewalks, there is probably no legal way to win a lawsuit that is a total ban on beach walking/running while still allowing other outside activities.

Case in point a ridiculous amount of close walking and people sitting and standing on Bluff Top Park in Long Beach. Same with some narrow trails, people running up right behind walkers. The bike path along the LA River is a virtual bicycle freeway. It would be a lot easier and safer to space out on the sand.
The beaches in San Diego County are open, with the parking lots closed to reduce the number of people who will be on the beach. The same rules are in force and the police drive the beach telling people lying on towels in groups that they have to move. Most people don't do that, they're walking jogging, surfing, whatever and maintaining physical distance. It can be done and if you want the beaches to be open you have to follow the rules. We have not had a problem.

The first weekend our trails were opened, they were mobbed just as you describe. So they were closed again. Not everyone wants to go to the beach. People need to learn how they have to behave. Those who refuse to learn spoil it for everyone else.
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"May 5, 2020 at 4:47 PM No active cases of COVID-19 in Nevada County at this time."

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That's great. I hope it holds. Stay safe.
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That's great. I hope it holds. Stay safe.
Me, too, thanks.
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I hate to be shallow, but I can't wait for my hairdresser, who works alone in her own room in a creative studio space, to be able to reopen. She needs the money, I need the color! The upside to all of this is even with two inches of growth, still no grey!
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Old May 7th, 2020, 06:12 AM
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Long Beach Announcement
The City of Long Beach continues to track below Los Angeles County in COVID-19 infections and fatalities. The City has ample hospital capacity whereas about 50% of beds are available on any given day. The City also has secured more than 225 ventilators, and at any given time, 70% of these ventilators remain available for emergent use. These factors, in addition to robust testing, will allow some additional retail and recreational areas to open in the coming days. Changes will be closely monitored, with physical distancing remaining a primary concern. Effective on May 8, 2020 with proper sanitation and physical distancing protocols in place prior to operation: The following businesses may operate for curbside pickup or delivery only. Businesses that provide: *Flowers *Toys *Music *Books *Clothing *Sporting goods *Golf courses may operate. Golf carts are permitted so long as the golf carts are cleaned with disinfectant qualified for use against COVID-19 between uses. Concession stands and restaurants located at a golf course may operate for take-out only. (The operation of retail shops at golf courses is not allowed.) *Public trails and trailheads (DeForest Wetlands, Nature Center and Willow Springs) will be open, provided that individuals engage in physical distancing measures including wearing a face covering while in close contact with other people. Face coverings are not required while engaging in physically distanced exercise. (Parking lots with access to trailheads will be open to facilitate access to trails only.) *Car dealership showrooms open for sales with adherence to distancing and infection control protocols. For more information or guidance, business owners or workers can call 562.570.4BIZ (4249). Effective on May 11, 2020, the following locations will open to the public, provided physical distancing measures are strictly adhered to: *Tennis courts, so long as proper sanitation and physical distancing protocols are in place prior to operation *Archery *Disc golf *Bike and pedestrian paths along the sanded portion of the beach *Park parking lots (Beaches remain closed, as do beach parking lots)

They didn't mention it, but a large proportion of cases and deaths in LB are associated with nursing homes, the Federal Prison, etc.
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Old May 7th, 2020, 10:05 AM
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My husband and I learned last week that we were exposed to Covid in February by a known source or perhaps earlier by an unknown source. We were never sick but have just tested positive for the virus' antibodies.
Does that mean that you are no longer at risk of either contracting or communicating the virus? If so, I really envy you. That is definitely my fantasy scenario: finding out that I test positive for antibodies without having experienced any symptoms.
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LucieV, there is still so much that's unknown... Although the test we had (Abbott Labs) is supposedly 99% accurate, that's not 100%. There is the possibility of false positives and false negatives. There is also no data to indicate whether the presence of antibodies insures against future infection, so our doctor (who is also a close friend) says we must continue precautions. Well, we haven't been obsessively careful, but we have no problem carrying on with basic SAH, masks, distancing, etc. But it does reduce my anxiety a bit as I interact with my 97 y.o. mother, bring her groceries, do a little housework for her, etc.
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LucieV, there is still so much that's unknown... Although the test we had (Abbott Labs) is supposedly 99% accurate, that's not 100%. There is the possibility of false positives and false negatives. There is also no data to indicate whether the presence of antibodies insures against future infection, so our doctor (who is also a close friend) says we must continue precautions. Well, we haven't been obsessively careful, but we have no problem carrying on with basic SAH, masks, distancing, etc. But it does reduce my anxiety a bit as I interact with my 97 y.o. mother, bring her groceries, do a little housework for her, etc.
Thanks for the response, Jean. Sounds like you have a wise doctor. But as far as I'm concerned, even "a bit" of anxiety reduction vis-a-vis this invisible monster is something to appreciate, imo!
I am impressed that your mom is 97. Is she basically healthy?
The oldest living members of my family are my uncle and aunt, both in their 90s, and both are living (separately, because divorced, but very amicably) in a gated community. They're both tough and self-reliant, maybe even stubborn, and I admire them. My cousin (their youngest son) just turned 50, and he lives within 10 miles of them, but if I know my uncle, he's refusing help from anybody.

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My mom is amazing. She accepts help but rarely asks for it, so I often have to just show up and "do." Up until a few years ago, she was swimming laps alone in her condo pool a couple of times a week. We finally told her she couldn't swim unless someone was with her, and that person needed to be much younger, so not her 86 y.o. pal. She published her first book at the age of 80, and in non-Covid times hosts a small writers' group in her home once a month. She has a steel-trap long-term memory, although her hearing and eyesight are fading. My idol.

Now that I think of it, I think I get my low anxiety for most things from her. She's just not a worrier by nature. At the beginning of the SAH, the scary news reports and the weird shortages in the grocery aisles, she often commented that she'd been through much worse. She lived through the London Blitz, endured war rationing, had to leave school to work at 17, and says she's happy watching Netflix, reading books, writing, and having groceries delivered directly to her (LOL). I know she'll be thrilled when she can get out and about, but she's not straining at the leash.

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