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after-dinner mints at Kauai Pasta - comments, please!!!

after-dinner mints at Kauai Pasta - comments, please!!!

Old Mar 11th, 2005, 07:26 AM
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For me sfamylou says it all:

"When you go into a restaurant, you have the expectation that you're going to order food, they'll cook it and serve it, and you'll eat it and pay."

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Old Mar 11th, 2005, 07:30 AM
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beachbum - how would I know in what spirit the mint is being given??? And even with the most well-intentioned "spirits", people can STILL be offended nonetheless - they are not mutually exclusive concepts...
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Old Mar 11th, 2005, 07:39 AM
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I would have felt the same as margot55, and I probably would not go back to that restaurant.

From those of you who expressed support for the restauranteur's practice, would you respond to Patrick's comment - what if the mint contained a message that you don't agree with? How about if it said, "There is no god but Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet"?
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Old Mar 11th, 2005, 07:41 AM
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Margot - how strong can those feelings be if you are going to give that restaurant owner more of your hard earned dollars to support an agenda you find so horribly offensive? Damn the food must be good there. The broth of the devil indeed


I think it's rather pathetic that society has come to a place where any of the world's great religious traditions are so repulsive to so many. Organized religion which has done so much for so many - even if one just considers the humanitarian efforts of feeding, clothing, and educating the poor (setting aside any talk of God or gods or things spiritual) is not the same as a racist or hate-group such as the KKK and doesn't deserve to be painted with the same brush.

If I had been at that restaurant and found myself on the receiving end of some Buddhist, or Islamic, or Hebrew religious printed commentary, I probably would have rolled my eyes, said "whatever" and ate the mint. As I mentioned in my earlier post, I'm not sure it's a good business practice, but it is not offensive. And if I were in India, Iraq, or Israel (respectively) when I received it, I wouldn't have given it a second thought - "when in Rome" you know.

Since when did the Christian principles upon which this country was founded become so disgusting to you all?

A little history of the Testamint -

Tom Waits: "My father-in-law has been trying to get me involved in this other business. He's got these little lozenges that come in different flavours and they have a cross on one side and a Bible passage on the other. He calls them 'testamints.' The idea is that if you can't make the church service, you meditate on the testamint passage, then pop it in your mouth. We took the idea one step further with Chocolate Jesus." (Source: "Wily Tom Waits' Barnyard Breakthrough" Now magazine, by Tim Perlich. Date: April 22-28, 1999)

Biographic info on Tom Waits: http://www.anti.com/artist.php?id=1
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Old Mar 11th, 2005, 07:45 AM
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Interesting topic. Margot, thanks for the information about Kauai Pasta. When I began to read your post, I was thinking, "Oh cool, a good place to note for pasta when we are on Kauai."

Glad I know though that we should not patronize that establishment. It's one thing to be aware in the first place that a restaurant proselytizes and still eat there (as some people have mentioned, restaurants that proclaim their faith on outdoor signs or have altars to their gods set up near the entrace). The customer is then given the choice initially, prior to spending their money.

It's great that the restaurant owner feels that way and it's great that he is able to express himself. But as sfamylou said: "There is a time and a place. When you go into a restaurant, you have the expectation that you're going to order food, they'll cook it and serve it, and you'll eat it and pay."

I *am* of a minority religion, and this would have made me uncomfortable because it seems, well, I can't think of the right word. Underhanded in a way, but that's really more harsh than what I mean. If they are all gung ho Christian, then why not have a cross or some other symbol on the walls so people are aware of it as soon as they walk in? Why hide it until you have their money?

-Sandra
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Old Mar 11th, 2005, 07:58 AM
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margot, The mints were presented with your bill. No one said anything to you, or forced you to read the scripture on the back. It was your choice to unwrap and eat them. Truly, I wonder why you're uncomfortable with that.
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Old Mar 11th, 2005, 08:01 AM
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Beachbum, to answer your argument I'd refer you back to Anonymous's comment about hospitality and respect. Yes, a person who is on their own private property has the right to tell you whatever they like. But that's certainly not what it takes to make them a good host. And, personally, I think there are much better ways to reflect Jesus's teachings than to try to ram your religion down someone else's throat. Also, I really don't see being put off by the mint as being intolerant. It's certainly possible to be tolerant of another's views while, at the same time, not wanting them to impose those views on you.
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Old Mar 11th, 2005, 08:04 AM
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I was responding to Beachbum's previous posting!
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Old Mar 11th, 2005, 08:09 AM
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Beachbum - when the mints were presented in their little blue wrappers, I truly would have no way of knowing what the "testamints" label would bring with it. I think it is only natural that one would then turn the wrapper over (before opening it) to see if there was more info, and indeed, there was (the Bible quotation). Still, I then would have had no way of knowing that when I unwrapped the mint there would be a cross on it. I think your suggestions run counter to natural human behavior ("no one forced you to rea the scripture on the back") - the saying was THERE, what else am I supposed to do?!
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Old Mar 11th, 2005, 08:15 AM
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Yikes, jasmine, I don't think anyone has remotely suggested that the practice of testaminting should be prohibited, and nobody but you has used words like offensive and repulsive. That's whole different experience than the margot's description of feeling uncomfortable at the surprise she found wth her bill.
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Old Mar 11th, 2005, 08:16 AM
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"You see[m] to be saying "it's OK, because I agree with what he was saying"." And you seem to be saying, "It's not okay because I disagree or am uncomfortable with what's being said."

Oh NO, Beachbum. You are reading me TOTALLY wrong, because in fact I am a Christian and I do believe in what they are saying and agree with it! What I DISAGREE with is not what they are saying, but rather that they are imposing their views on others who may or may not agree with it, but even that is beside the point. No one needs to be confronted with owners' personal religious or political feelings when all they were doing was going to eat a meal!


My point was that it isn't an issue of whether you agree with it or not, but why should it be presented to begin with? On the other hand, please answer my question. Would you be so defensive of it's being OK, if in fact the mints had been devils and the message was "God is dead"? I strongly suspect you wouldn't be sitting her telling us that wouldn't be offensive to you. Yet although I believe in God, I happen to find either message equally out of place in an after dinner mint in a restaurant that I've chosen.

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Old Mar 11th, 2005, 08:44 AM
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It would freak me out and I wouldn't go back. I do not want someone selling me God with my dinner.

I do like to go to In and Out Burger however and they have bible quotes on their packaging.
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Old Mar 11th, 2005, 08:49 AM
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wow ! I was curious why there were so many responses to a thread about dinner mints in just 3 hours..awesome conversations here, I enjoy reading these..I do not believe in the bible personally and would of thought these were a funny novelty, like those "Jesus is my homeboy" t-shirts places like urban Outfitters sell...I would of probably seeked out the others like the Buddhist ones for example which is more my beliefs....It's a creative idea...however, I agree with Patrick in respect to wanting to go about my daily business without being solicited, that really bugs me...If I was in a restaurant that was clearly influenced by any religion than I would be prepared and know that up front...this was a sneak attack....if they were by the door and there for you to grab like a menu or ad flyer, that's one thing I think, but they gave it to them with the bill which means they were specifically making sure you got one, should you think you want a mint....yeah, probably wouldn't of liked that myself, and I don't think I would go back.
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Old Mar 11th, 2005, 09:06 AM
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How does someone claiming to be a Christian, (a "follower of Christ") reconcile the above "imposing their views on others who may or may not agree with it" with Christ's direct instructions to "go and make disciples of all nations" Matt28:19 and "I will make you fishers of men" Matt4:19?
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Old Mar 11th, 2005, 09:16 AM
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OK - I'm back from lunch - and I must share with you that when I went out to my car, on my windshield was a little booklet from none other than (I swear I'm not lying)..."The Pocket Testamint League"!!! Too ironic and funny for words!!!

Anyhow...WHEW - I'm kind of feeling, and you'll pardon the expression under the circumstances, damned if I do and damned if I don't. What I mean by this is that one one hand, it seems as though there are a number of people implying that I'm being intolerant because of my reacion to these now infamous mints; yet on the other hand, others are wondering why I plan to go back to this restaurant. So, here's the deal - I'm going back because I am not a single issue restaurant diner, political animal, or in any other role I happen to play in my life. The food and service were enjoyable enough that at this point, it outweighs the discomfort factor of the mints - doesn't that make me, uh, TOLERANT to the situation, despite my misgivings?! Naturally, I will be curious if they still have the mints, but I won't be surprised next time if they do. Does this work for most of you?
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Old Mar 11th, 2005, 09:33 AM
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"I am not a single issue restaurant diner"

LOL! But you might want to go prepared with some sort of brochure to leave along with the tip . . . .
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Old Mar 11th, 2005, 09:35 AM
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Yes, Patrick, I would be offended to read a mint stating "God is dead". And I'd never go back to that place. But I wouldn't deny the right to give me the mint in the first place. My uncomfortability with it would be my issue.

What you said, Maggi. Christ's example though, I think, was that His kingdom would be developed through (His kind of) loving relationships rather than preaching. Personally, judging by the responses here, I think Kauai Pasta's owner's practice is ineffective. Or, maybe not!!
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Old Mar 11th, 2005, 09:44 AM
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Did you eat the mint?
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Old Mar 11th, 2005, 10:00 AM
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Patrick,

There are lots of acts deemed 'freedom of expression' that I don't particularly like. Take tee-shirts emblazoned with this or that slogan - I don't consider the wearing of a tee-shirt to be a fair forum in which all parties can freely exchange ideas. The wearer of said tee-shirt to me seems to be SHOUTING his views, as indeed do those who burn flags seem to be shouting their views. But..... heaven help the country, especially a democracy, that tries to guarantee its citizens freedom from being offended, or to be presented only with things that one likes or with which one agrees. Unless that dinner mint is used to deliberately choke someone to death (deprivation of life), glue one to the floor (deprivation of liberty) or by virtue of gluing someone to the floor, prevent said person from dating (deprivation of pursuit of happiness) I daresay the American courts, at least, would protect said mint distribution, just as they have protected flag-burning.

In any case, religion by its very nature isn't about equal time for all views. I refer those interested to this highly amusing sketch, 'Worshipers-R-Us' by the
Franticks.

http://f2.org/humour/frantics-worshippers.html

BTW, my cousin did some volunteer service in Ghana, where it is common to name businesses along the lines of 'Praise the Lord Car Wash' and (my favourite) "Rest and Be Thankful Hairdressing."

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Old Mar 11th, 2005, 10:32 AM
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Grasshopper - I was WAITING for that question!!! The answer is...no, I did not.
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