Dream Trip Itinerary - Backpacking Asia to Europe
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Dream Trip Itinerary - Backpacking Asia to Europe
Hi there. I am posting this in both the Asia and Europe forums as it covers both.
I am from Australia and I am looking at doing 6-7 months backpacking through Asia and Europe from April to October 2017, ending up in the UK to work (I will apply for the youth mobility visa before I leave).
I really like planning and I am excited about my itinerary but it would be good to hear some different opinions on the whole thing.
Before I begin I will say that I like history, art, culture, music & theatre, nature, food, adventure and diversity!
This is what I am thinking of doing. I'd appreciate tips on anything.
April 2017 - Fly to Japan, spend approx. 2wks - Tokyo, Mount Fuji, Nagano, Gifu, Ishikawa, Kyoto, Osaka, Nara, Kobe, Hiroshima. Cherry blossoms!
Ferry from Japan to South Korea, train across South Korea, then ferry to Beijing
Beijing - about 5 days - Great Wall of China, Forbidden City, Tiananmen Square, Temple of Heaven, Summer Palace, Ming Tombs, Purple Bamboo Garden, panda base, zoo & aquarium
Then I want to get the train from Beijing to Moscow, but I would make stops along the way. This should be the beginning of May.
Mongolia - one week - a couple of days in the capital and a short tour to Central Mongolia - I believe that the majority of hostels can help you arrange this. I will be quite early in the season though so I might try to pre-arrange something so that I don't miss out.
Ulan Ude - 2 days
Irkutsk and Olkhorn Island - 4 days
Yekaterinburg - 2 days - Asian/European border - so I guess at this point those on the Asian forum could stop reading! Or continue if you like...
Perm/Kungur - 3 days
I would actually end the train travel in Vladimir, outside of Mosocw and see some of the Golden Ring cities/towns first. So Vladimir, Suzdal, Yaroslavl, Rostov, Sergiyev Posad.
Then I would do Moscow, Veliky Novgorod and Saint Petersburg.
Now it would be June.
I'd make my way through far Eastern Europe over 3 weeks.
Ukraine - 10 days - Kiev, Chernobyl tour, the tunnel of love in Klevan, Odessa, Yalta, Kamyanets Podilsky (I am presuming that Crimea will be safe by then)
Romania - 5 days - Sibiu, Transfagarasan, Sighisoara, Brasov, Bran, Sinaia, Bucharest
Bulgaria - 5 days - Koprivshtitsa, Plovdiv, Veliko Tarnovo, Nessebar
Then onto Turkey - Istanbul, Gallipoli, Troy, Ephesus, Cappadocia, then down to Fethiye.
At this point it should be July.
I hope to do a gullet cruise from Fethiye to Bodrum, then another from Bodrum to Mykonos. (I have researched a few options for cabin charters.)
Fly or ferry into Athens and spend a couple of days.
Then Croatia - mostly the islands, Dubrovnik, Zadar, Split, Krka National Park and Plitvice National Park. Apparently there is a classical music festival on in July also that I would love.
Now the next part doesn't make so much sense geographically, but it makes sense seasonally and timing wise. I want to avoid Italy in August - I hear it can be very hot and lots of tourists in the cities.
So instead I would fly to Switzerland and work my way east and north, taking about a month, progressively getting further away from the traditional tourist destinations.
So August would be:
Switzerland - 5 days - Berne and Interlaken. I understand it is Swiss National Day on the 1st so if my timing is right that could be exciting.
Train to Austria - seeing beautiful scenery along the way. 9 days in Austria - Salzburg, Admont, Linz, Vienna
Now I understand that the next part is a bit rushed but I sort of just want to see the main sites in these places:
Budapest - 3 days (pretty much just for the baths)
Krakow - 3 days (Auschwitz and salt mines)
Vilnius - 3 days - visit Trakai Castle and the hill of crosses
Riga - 3 days - visit Rundale Palace and Gaujas National Park
Tallinn - 3 days - visit Saareema Island or Lahemaa Park and the seaplane museum
Now we would be in September, and I'd fly back down to Italy!
Spend 2 weeks - Naples/Pompeii, Rome, Florence (Tuscany & Pisa), Cinque Terra, Venice. Maybe Milan.
Then Prague - 3 days
Then Germany - timed for Oktoberfest. And Autumn leaves in the forests. Spend 2 weeks - Berlin, Leipzig, Nuremberg, Munich, Heidelberg, Stuttgart and The Black Forest.
Now we would be in October.
Into France - just the south - 1 week - Strasbourg, Nice (with the Gorges du Verdon) and Montpellier (with Saint Guilhem-le-Desert). Maybe Carcossone.
The rest of October would be in Spain and Portugal, hopefully 3 weeks - Barcelona, Valencia, Madrid, Toledo, Cordova, Granada, Seville, Evora, Lisbon, Sintra, Obidos, Coimbra, Agueda, Porto, Guimaraes, Braga (Definitely need to narrow this down! Too many places to see!)
Finally fly into London. I would have spent 90 days in the Schengen area so at this point I will have to get out to wait for my 90 days to reset. I budget to have about $5000 AUD left when I get to the UK, so I don't starve while I find a job. Hopefully I will work there for about a year. And do some more travel. Maybe work in Ireland as well. Willing to do anything really, but I will have administration experience and qualifications so hope to utilise that.
Places that would be left on my list to see are:
Obviously England, Ireland and Scotland, Paris, Belgium, The Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Svalbard and Jan Mayen, Sweden, Finland and Lapland.
I would also revisit anything that I really loved during that first 6 months.
If I somehow got a well paying job in the UK, I would also keep some money aside to go to Africa before coming back to Australia. Morocco, Egypt, Nigeria (friends there), Kenya, Tanzania, South Africa. Possibly do some volunteering.
What do you think? Pretty elaborate and crazy, but for me it would be the trip of a lifetime and I could die happy after that.
I am from Australia and I am looking at doing 6-7 months backpacking through Asia and Europe from April to October 2017, ending up in the UK to work (I will apply for the youth mobility visa before I leave).
I really like planning and I am excited about my itinerary but it would be good to hear some different opinions on the whole thing.
Before I begin I will say that I like history, art, culture, music & theatre, nature, food, adventure and diversity!
This is what I am thinking of doing. I'd appreciate tips on anything.
April 2017 - Fly to Japan, spend approx. 2wks - Tokyo, Mount Fuji, Nagano, Gifu, Ishikawa, Kyoto, Osaka, Nara, Kobe, Hiroshima. Cherry blossoms!
Ferry from Japan to South Korea, train across South Korea, then ferry to Beijing
Beijing - about 5 days - Great Wall of China, Forbidden City, Tiananmen Square, Temple of Heaven, Summer Palace, Ming Tombs, Purple Bamboo Garden, panda base, zoo & aquarium
Then I want to get the train from Beijing to Moscow, but I would make stops along the way. This should be the beginning of May.
Mongolia - one week - a couple of days in the capital and a short tour to Central Mongolia - I believe that the majority of hostels can help you arrange this. I will be quite early in the season though so I might try to pre-arrange something so that I don't miss out.
Ulan Ude - 2 days
Irkutsk and Olkhorn Island - 4 days
Yekaterinburg - 2 days - Asian/European border - so I guess at this point those on the Asian forum could stop reading! Or continue if you like...
Perm/Kungur - 3 days
I would actually end the train travel in Vladimir, outside of Mosocw and see some of the Golden Ring cities/towns first. So Vladimir, Suzdal, Yaroslavl, Rostov, Sergiyev Posad.
Then I would do Moscow, Veliky Novgorod and Saint Petersburg.
Now it would be June.
I'd make my way through far Eastern Europe over 3 weeks.
Ukraine - 10 days - Kiev, Chernobyl tour, the tunnel of love in Klevan, Odessa, Yalta, Kamyanets Podilsky (I am presuming that Crimea will be safe by then)
Romania - 5 days - Sibiu, Transfagarasan, Sighisoara, Brasov, Bran, Sinaia, Bucharest
Bulgaria - 5 days - Koprivshtitsa, Plovdiv, Veliko Tarnovo, Nessebar
Then onto Turkey - Istanbul, Gallipoli, Troy, Ephesus, Cappadocia, then down to Fethiye.
At this point it should be July.
I hope to do a gullet cruise from Fethiye to Bodrum, then another from Bodrum to Mykonos. (I have researched a few options for cabin charters.)
Fly or ferry into Athens and spend a couple of days.
Then Croatia - mostly the islands, Dubrovnik, Zadar, Split, Krka National Park and Plitvice National Park. Apparently there is a classical music festival on in July also that I would love.
Now the next part doesn't make so much sense geographically, but it makes sense seasonally and timing wise. I want to avoid Italy in August - I hear it can be very hot and lots of tourists in the cities.
So instead I would fly to Switzerland and work my way east and north, taking about a month, progressively getting further away from the traditional tourist destinations.
So August would be:
Switzerland - 5 days - Berne and Interlaken. I understand it is Swiss National Day on the 1st so if my timing is right that could be exciting.
Train to Austria - seeing beautiful scenery along the way. 9 days in Austria - Salzburg, Admont, Linz, Vienna
Now I understand that the next part is a bit rushed but I sort of just want to see the main sites in these places:
Budapest - 3 days (pretty much just for the baths)
Krakow - 3 days (Auschwitz and salt mines)
Vilnius - 3 days - visit Trakai Castle and the hill of crosses
Riga - 3 days - visit Rundale Palace and Gaujas National Park
Tallinn - 3 days - visit Saareema Island or Lahemaa Park and the seaplane museum
Now we would be in September, and I'd fly back down to Italy!
Spend 2 weeks - Naples/Pompeii, Rome, Florence (Tuscany & Pisa), Cinque Terra, Venice. Maybe Milan.
Then Prague - 3 days
Then Germany - timed for Oktoberfest. And Autumn leaves in the forests. Spend 2 weeks - Berlin, Leipzig, Nuremberg, Munich, Heidelberg, Stuttgart and The Black Forest.
Now we would be in October.
Into France - just the south - 1 week - Strasbourg, Nice (with the Gorges du Verdon) and Montpellier (with Saint Guilhem-le-Desert). Maybe Carcossone.
The rest of October would be in Spain and Portugal, hopefully 3 weeks - Barcelona, Valencia, Madrid, Toledo, Cordova, Granada, Seville, Evora, Lisbon, Sintra, Obidos, Coimbra, Agueda, Porto, Guimaraes, Braga (Definitely need to narrow this down! Too many places to see!)
Finally fly into London. I would have spent 90 days in the Schengen area so at this point I will have to get out to wait for my 90 days to reset. I budget to have about $5000 AUD left when I get to the UK, so I don't starve while I find a job. Hopefully I will work there for about a year. And do some more travel. Maybe work in Ireland as well. Willing to do anything really, but I will have administration experience and qualifications so hope to utilise that.
Places that would be left on my list to see are:
Obviously England, Ireland and Scotland, Paris, Belgium, The Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Svalbard and Jan Mayen, Sweden, Finland and Lapland.
I would also revisit anything that I really loved during that first 6 months.
If I somehow got a well paying job in the UK, I would also keep some money aside to go to Africa before coming back to Australia. Morocco, Egypt, Nigeria (friends there), Kenya, Tanzania, South Africa. Possibly do some volunteering.
What do you think? Pretty elaborate and crazy, but for me it would be the trip of a lifetime and I could die happy after that.
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Not sure about your getting a job in the UK - assume you have the right to do this and would have a visa that allowed getting a job.
Not sure what your profession/experience is but anticipate that just picking up a job with a decent salary would be quite difficult - since salaries in the UK are typically quite low versus a fairly high cost of living. Also believe that unemployment is still quite high - so you should have a look at job opportunities before you leave home to have an idea of what situation you would be walking into.
Not sure what your profession/experience is but anticipate that just picking up a job with a decent salary would be quite difficult - since salaries in the UK are typically quite low versus a fairly high cost of living. Also believe that unemployment is still quite high - so you should have a look at job opportunities before you leave home to have an idea of what situation you would be walking into.
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It appears you will be in Greece and Croatia during July. I'm not sure why you think Italy would be hot in summer and these places wouldn't?
This forum is not really a backpacker's forum. While people here can help you with some logistics, most aren't traveling low budget and staying in hostels. Check out the Lonely Planet Thorntree forum for the backpacker/hostel travelers.
https://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntree
This forum is not really a backpacker's forum. While people here can help you with some logistics, most aren't traveling low budget and staying in hostels. Check out the Lonely Planet Thorntree forum for the backpacker/hostel travelers.
https://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntree
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No reason why posters here can't comment on the itinerary, even if they're not up on hostels....
It would be easier to comment if you were talking nights rather than days, as two nights generally only gets you one day in a place. I usually plan my trips on calendar pages, which lets me see how transport times fit in.
I did the Trans-Mongolian in the other direction, but didn't stop in Perm, otherwise that looks fine. No one knows what the situation in Ukraine will be by the time you travel, but it seems unlikely that Crimea will be part of it. You will need to check the visa requirements for Russia in general (I think a tourist visa is only good for 28 days) and Crimea in particular next year. If you do make it to Ukraine, do not miss Lviv.
You are short changing Romania and possibly Bulgaria. Click on my name for my recent Romania TR, and don't skip the north - Maramures and Bucovina.
On the way from Bulgaria to Turkey, spend a few days in Macedonia (again I have a TR for the Balkans).
Switzerland is very expensive and the Alps in Austria are beautiful too. I would add Innsbruck and Zell-am-See and the lakes near Salzburg. There is a lot more to Budapest than the baths, although they are certainly worth visiting.
You are totally short changing France, Nice alone can easily consume a week, but you can easily visit it from England.
How are you intending to travel? For flight schedules use skyscanner.net and whichbudget.com, for loads of good train info use seat61.com and for European schedules use bahn.de. I like the Thomas Cook Rail Map for planning, but I'm not sure whether it is still being published.
It would be easier to comment if you were talking nights rather than days, as two nights generally only gets you one day in a place. I usually plan my trips on calendar pages, which lets me see how transport times fit in.
I did the Trans-Mongolian in the other direction, but didn't stop in Perm, otherwise that looks fine. No one knows what the situation in Ukraine will be by the time you travel, but it seems unlikely that Crimea will be part of it. You will need to check the visa requirements for Russia in general (I think a tourist visa is only good for 28 days) and Crimea in particular next year. If you do make it to Ukraine, do not miss Lviv.
You are short changing Romania and possibly Bulgaria. Click on my name for my recent Romania TR, and don't skip the north - Maramures and Bucovina.
On the way from Bulgaria to Turkey, spend a few days in Macedonia (again I have a TR for the Balkans).
Switzerland is very expensive and the Alps in Austria are beautiful too. I would add Innsbruck and Zell-am-See and the lakes near Salzburg. There is a lot more to Budapest than the baths, although they are certainly worth visiting.
You are totally short changing France, Nice alone can easily consume a week, but you can easily visit it from England.
How are you intending to travel? For flight schedules use skyscanner.net and whichbudget.com, for loads of good train info use seat61.com and for European schedules use bahn.de. I like the Thomas Cook Rail Map for planning, but I'm not sure whether it is still being published.
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Yeah I will definitely be looking at the job market before I go. From what I have read so far a lot of temp jobs are available in admin. I understand that getting a decent paying job would most likely just be a dream, but you never know. I've looked into the youth mobility visa and would be eligible.
Yep, Greece and Croatia in July. But I can handle one month of warm temperatures (especially being from Australia) and also as I'll mostly be near the water. After that I'll escape. I've looked at the average temps in these locations during July and I'll manage. However Italy is a destination I have wanted to do for a long time so I wouldn't risk anything compromising my enjoyment.
Thanks for the tips. In Perm I want to visit the Kungur ice caves and the Perm 36 museum. Will obviously see what's happening with Crimea at the time. Russia allows 30 days. I'll check out your posts.
Yeah the idea with the countries closer to England is that I can easily visit them once I am set up in the UK. I will definitely do more of France later on.
My travel options will be based on cost/convenience. If a flight is much cheaper I'll take it but if it's a lot more inconvenient getting to an airport etc and the train isn't that much more expensive then I'd take the train. Thanks for the links.
Yep, Greece and Croatia in July. But I can handle one month of warm temperatures (especially being from Australia) and also as I'll mostly be near the water. After that I'll escape. I've looked at the average temps in these locations during July and I'll manage. However Italy is a destination I have wanted to do for a long time so I wouldn't risk anything compromising my enjoyment.
Thanks for the tips. In Perm I want to visit the Kungur ice caves and the Perm 36 museum. Will obviously see what's happening with Crimea at the time. Russia allows 30 days. I'll check out your posts.
Yeah the idea with the countries closer to England is that I can easily visit them once I am set up in the UK. I will definitely do more of France later on.
My travel options will be based on cost/convenience. If a flight is much cheaper I'll take it but if it's a lot more inconvenient getting to an airport etc and the train isn't that much more expensive then I'd take the train. Thanks for the links.
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September is just as crowded in Italy as August is, and usually even more expensive. September is considered high season, which August is considered shoulder season.
Your itinerary has an awful lot of zigzagging in the European part. All of these transfers will really run up your expenses. If I were you, I'd put Italy in its logical sequence, but focus your visit on places at higher altitudes. You don't have to go very high up to find pleasant temperatures. There are cheap flights from England to the major Italian cities, so maybe you could visit Naples, Rome, Florence, and Venice on long weekends.
Besides, you're young. I'm sure you'll be back in Europe before long.
Your itinerary has an awful lot of zigzagging in the European part. All of these transfers will really run up your expenses. If I were you, I'd put Italy in its logical sequence, but focus your visit on places at higher altitudes. You don't have to go very high up to find pleasant temperatures. There are cheap flights from England to the major Italian cities, so maybe you could visit Naples, Rome, Florence, and Venice on long weekends.
Besides, you're young. I'm sure you'll be back in Europe before long.




