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X-ray machines at train stations in Europe?

Old Nov 23rd, 2015, 03:07 PM
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Shortly after the Madrid bombing in 2004 I took the TGV from Paris to Bayonne (stopped being a TGV after Poitiers). the luggage racks at the ends of the cars were blocked off, and police came through matching passengers to luggage in the overhead. Although two gendarmes continued to patrol the train throughout the journey, they didn't bother with bag matching for passengers who joined at intermediate stops. No X-Ray machines.
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Old Nov 23rd, 2015, 06:31 PM
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Maybe the issue could be solved by placing 3 Americans and 1 Brit on every train
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Old Nov 23rd, 2015, 09:08 PM
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I could use those guys.
Today they installed barriers and blocked all access except one to board the Thslys in Bxl.
Thalys site said to be half an hour early with printed ticket , id ready and that our bags would be searched.

I saw 4 guys from security and 4 cops
And no control I went straight in.
I guess they have decided not to search people with no beard....

Pffff.
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Old Nov 23rd, 2015, 10:12 PM
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Brubernow:
you are much less safe in the US than in Europe.
So far in 2015 in the US 431 have been killed and 1,227 injured in mass shootings. From 2013 through now the totals are 1,313 dead and 3,732 injured.

That's just mass shootings - of people who just happen to be in a public place when a guy (most shooters are young white males) decides to take out his frustrations.
(Source: http://shootingtracker.com/wiki/Mass_Shootings_in_2015 from federal statistics)

Gun deaths in US in 2013: **32,719** = ~ 10 per 100,000 people
Gun deaths in France in 2007: ~ 3 per 100,000 people *
Gun deaths in Germany in 2010 = ~ 1 per 100,000 people *
Gun deaths in the UK in 2013 = ~ 0.26 per 100,000 people *

It would make more sense, and probably be as easy, to put more detection on the entrance to every theater and shopping mall and church in the US than in every train station in Europe.

You obviously have no idea the amount of rail traffic in Europe. Take the total amount of all passengers using the subways, trains, and airports in New York City and I'd bet the number of passengers in less than those using rail stations than in any one of the major cities in Europe.
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Old Nov 23rd, 2015, 11:09 PM
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Still I understand some schools in the US have searches at entrances.

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Old Nov 24th, 2015, 03:57 AM
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<<It would make more sense, and probably be as easy, to put more detection on the entrance to every theater and shopping mall and church in the US than in every train station in Europe.

You obviously have no idea the amount of rail traffic in Europe. Take the total amount of all passengers using the subways, trains, and airports in New York City and I'd bet the number of passengers in less than those using rail stations than in any one of the major cities in Europe.>>


not to mention the vulnerability to attack of all of the people who would be queuing to be searched.
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Old Nov 24th, 2015, 04:04 AM
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Elbegewa- you are probably right. I would be relieved if metal detectors would be installed in schools and movie theaters.

My children are in elementary school. It's sad to say that the school has been forced to have such security as measures like all visitors, including parents, cannot walk in until you push a button and state who you are and they have cameras at the entrance to see who you are. Then they will buzz you in. They also have armed intruder drills now, just like fire drills or tornado drills. It makes me sad that my children have to grow up this way. But until we can get rid of the guns, I'm happy to have the extra security if it helps keep my kids safe.

Same goes for trains.

On the news this morning, I just saw a worldwide travel warning for all US citizens traveling abroad. They are to use caution in crowded public places. That was 5 mins ago just announced
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Old Nov 24th, 2015, 04:07 AM
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France wants security gates for Thalys, in Germany, Belgium and at Amsterdam. They are offering to install the security themselves "to be sure it meets their standards".
It is unclear if they want to install the security at all station Thalys uses, so also at Schiphol and Rotterdam or not.
It would effectively be closing off one entire platform, so two tracks, completely to other trains, which would result in a complete timetable reorganisation for the countries involved, and make stations even more crowded and vulnerable.
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Old Nov 24th, 2015, 04:23 AM
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Yes, I think it pretty unrealistic (so as not to say 'ridiculous') but I heard the government minister on the radio this morning saying how all of the Thalys stations needed to be equipped.

I think it will all die down in a month or two and they'll just decide to continue spot checks. As for restricting access to the platform, they already do it for the iDTGV trains since the tickets are checked before boarding (to save money by not needing ticket checkers on the train itself). Of course that is not a security check, but it does keep out most unwanted individuals -- unless they have a ticket!
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Old Nov 24th, 2015, 04:33 AM
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I guess what would be interesting is the level of security now being used in the US for aircraft flight training. It used to be you paid your dollar and rolled up, now some 6 years on from the Trade Towers 11/09 how hard is it to get access to training?
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Old Nov 24th, 2015, 05:57 AM
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Oops, sorry 11/9 occured in 2001 (15 years ago), hope no one offended.
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Old Nov 24th, 2015, 06:06 AM
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No, it seems like just yesterday to a lot of people.
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Old Nov 24th, 2015, 06:11 AM
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"Still I understand some schools in the US have searches at entrances."

And isn't that sick.... Still ANYTHING to keep from limiting guns.
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Old Nov 24th, 2015, 09:48 AM
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Milano Centrale recently installed gates to control access to the main platforms, although there is no luggage check. It is a guarded turnstile, and you have to show that you have a train ticket to a guard to pass through. I am not sure why they did it. They appeared after the foiled shooting attempt on the Thalys train, but I think they were in the works simply as an anti-theft measure before that -- but I'm not sure.

Anyway, I read this interesting thing today, thought I would pass it along:

Global deaths from terrorism:
2002: 725
2010: 13,186
2014: 32,727
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Old Nov 24th, 2015, 12:08 PM
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Rome is also installing gates, and have had them for some tracks for a while now. I think it's partly to keep out the people with no tickets who insist on "helping" passengers and then demanding a tip. Apparently some were also a little light-fingered.
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Old Nov 24th, 2015, 12:53 PM
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Most of these gates are anti theft since it has become so common for people to get on the trains at the last minute and then get off with whichever suitcase looks promising.
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Old Nov 24th, 2015, 02:59 PM
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I don't think that there will be security checkpoints for Thalys trains in Cologne.
While there are many Thalys services on the main route between Paris and Brussels, only five trains go to Cologne per day. And Cologne main station is a major through-station where you don't have the luxury to keep one platform reserved for the few Thalys trains. But each platform or track is used by some other train every 5-15 minutes.
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Old Nov 24th, 2015, 03:20 PM
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"2002: 725
2010: 13,186
2014: 32,727"

How many of those deaths were in the US? How many were in western Europe? How many were in other parts of Europe? How many were in Asia?
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Old Nov 24th, 2015, 11:49 PM
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down to definitions of terrorism, are we talking state sponsored murder. Do Marsh Arabs count for instance?
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Old Nov 25th, 2015, 01:24 AM
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sandralist - please define "terrorism"
This could mean absolutely anything...
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