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Old Nov 30th, 2021, 08:39 AM
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In France the Covid pass is no longer valid after January 15 for adults who had their last jab 6 months before. Here in Belgium the roll-out of the booster is very slow. My 80-year old mum is having hers this week. So no visits to France for Belgians from January, there will be lots of cancellations for the ski resorts.
You can get a booster shot in France. Just like Vienna, France administers to anyone from EU. I don't know where you live, but I have an appointment booked in Lille.
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One of the toughest choices my husband and I had to make...we cancelled our ten day Thanksgiving celebration trip to see our daughter, who is attending university there, due to all the issues - astronomically high covid numbers, lockdowns, limited testing, no QR codes for tourists, etc etc etc.. As it turned out, it was also one of the best decisions we made - Covid ran through her study- she and one other girl are the only ones of her friend group that did not get infected, restaurants were forced to close earlier, the police sent out warnings about riots due to tougher restrictions (happy they did not come to fruition). I can't imagine any tourist would enjoy themselves in the NL right now, or for that fact, in much of western Europe.
Wise choice. It's a shambles of huge proportions. Every day a new scandal, meanwhile cases and hospital admissions are skyrocketing with no end in sight. There's a volatile atmosphere, politically, socially, not a good vibe.
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Old Nov 30th, 2021, 08:43 AM
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Thanks Menachem, didn't know that. I live in Belgium, so Lille would be easy.
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Old Nov 30th, 2021, 08:52 AM
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Thanks Menachem, didn't know that. I live in Belgium, so Lille would be easy.
Exactly
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So, what's the problem. Get the shots and the CDC card and off you go. We sent a month last summer traveling Paris, Prague and Germany and had not one problem. Follow the rules and you will be fine. One of the best vacations in Europe we have had in the last 20 years. Going back for June and July. I know you read a lot here and many of the same sites across the internet and much of it is from people who just don't know many of the facts. Listen to the longtime posters.
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Old Nov 30th, 2021, 09:37 AM
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We arrive in Paris on Dec 2 . We will go to the pharmacy and hopefully add our booster CDC proof to our Pass Sanitaire. We depart Dec 16 - so I don't think we'll need the Passe. But in case we get "stuck" getting home, at least we won't have to try to haggle with anyone about getting into a hotel or other place that requires a Passe.

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Hello and thanks for the advice.

Planning a family trip to London, Amsterdam, and various stops in France. Four of us, daughters 15 and 18, my wife, and myself. We are all fully vaccinated. This is likely to be the only trip the four of us take to Europe. We've been saving and were planning to go in the summer of 2022. We want to see all the major sights, Louvre, Eiffel Tower, British Museum, Ann Frank house, Van Gogh Museum, D'Orsay, etc.

With all the Covid numbers spiking and new restrictions would you still travel next summer? Like I mentioned earlier this is a once in a lifetime trip for our family (my wife and I have been to Europe before kids). I'm feeling a little stressed about this trip. Wondering if putting it off until summer 2023 would be a better plan.

I understand this is a very personal decision, but if you could put yourself in our shoes what choice do you think you'd make?
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I can’t speak for Amsterdam or France but here in London, life is doing a pretty good impression of carrying on as normal. Pubs and restaurants are open and life goes on. Mask wearing in shops and on public transport became legally enforceable once again from today, whether it makes any difference to peoples behaviour remains to be seen! The advent of the Omicron variant has thrown a spanner in the works but it remains to be seen how big that spanner is. We should know in a couple of weeks. The financial markets are usually a pretty good guide and despite a wobble over the last couple of days, the latest research I have read was arguing that Omicron could in fact be a blessing in disguise if it turns out that it is a much less dangerous version of the virus which doesn’t cause serious illness.

We are facing a very similar, but more imminent issue as we have flights booked to California in mid January. We are assuming that we will be going and have accepted that it won’t be very pleasant being masked for close on 20 hours door to door but that is a price we are prepared to pay. As far as I can ascertain (mostly from people here on the California forums, our anticipated activites won’t be curtailed too much - if they are we will just do something else. The only thin*s that would stop us going would be if Uncle Joe closed the border or implemented quarantine restrictions or if we tested positive before travel, all of which are risks covered by insurance or consumer protection legislation.

In your case you do of course compound the risk of border closures by visiting more than one country. Probably not an issue within the EU but between the EU and U.K. it could be, though that risk is likely more based in politics than fact.

Perhaps as import and anything is the fact you are travelling in the summer when virus transmission is far less of a risk and restrictions less likely.

Of course I could be wrong. Boris Johnson has just appeared on TV telling everyone it is all going to be ok for Christmas and we all know how well that worked out the last time!

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I can’t speak for Amsterdam or France but here in London, life is doing a pretty good impression of carrying on as normal. Pubs and restaurants are open and life goes on. Mask wearing in shops and on public transport became legally enforceable once again from today, whether it makes any difference to peoples behaviour remains to be seen! The advent of the Omicron variant has thrown a spanner in the works but it remains to be seen how big that spanner is. We should know in a couple of weeks. The financial markets are usually a pretty good guide and despite a wobble over the last couple of days, the latest research I have read was arguing that Omicron could in fact be a blessing in disguise if it turns out that it is a much less dangerous version of the virus which doesn’t cause serious illness.

We are facing a very similar, but more imminent issue as we have flights booked to California in mid January. We are assuming that we will be going and have accepted that it won’t be very pleasant being masked for close on 20 hours door to door but that is a price we are prepared to pay. As far as I can ascertain (mostly from people here on the California forums, our anticipated activites won’t be curtailed too much - if they are we will just do something else. The only thin*s that would stop us going would be if Uncle Joe closed the border or implemented quarantine restrictions or if we tested positive before travel, all of which are risks covered by insurance or consumer protection legislation.

In your case you do of course compound the risk of border closures by visiting more than one country. Probably not an issue within the EU but between the EU and U.K. it could be, though that risk is likely more based in politics than fact.

Perhaps as import and anything is the fact you are travelling in the summer when virus transmission is far less of a risk and restrictions less likely.

Of course I could be wrong. Boris Johnson has just appeared on TV telling everyone it is all going to be ok for Christmas and we all know how well that worked out the last time!
Good Luck with California trip. I’m in Santa Barbara and we go to the Bay Area to see kids and grandkids every month. Numbers are really good here and everyone masks indoors. The nice thing is that you can eat outside at restaurants especially in southern Calif. and there are so many interesting sights and activities to do outdoors that will not require a mask.
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Old Nov 30th, 2021, 04:25 PM
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Always appreciate your info Stu!! Following closely!
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Thanks macdogmom. Good to know. We are stopping off for a couple of nights Santa Barbara en route down H1 to Pasadena looking forward to some outdoor eating there!


rmmoore926 - you should find plenty of opportunities for outdoor eating here. Admittedly not great at present with temps close to zero but London has really embraced alfresco dining in the summer months!
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Old Nov 30th, 2021, 11:03 PM
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Exactly
Menachem, where did you find the information for a booster for EU citizens? Do you have a link?
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Originally Posted by crellston View Post
I can’t speak for Amsterdam or France but here in London, life is doing a pretty good impression of carrying on as normal. Pubs and restaurants are open and life goes on. Mask wearing in shops and on public transport became legally enforceable once again from today, whether it makes any difference to peoples behaviour remains to be seen! The advent of the Omicron variant has thrown a spanner in the works but it remains to be seen how big that spanner is. We should know in a couple of weeks. The financial markets are usually a pretty good guide and despite a wobble over the last couple of days, the latest research I have read was arguing that Omicron could in fact be a blessing in disguise if it turns out that it is a much less dangerous version of the virus which doesn’t cause serious illness.

We are facing a very similar, but more imminent issue as we have flights booked to California in mid January. We are assuming that we will be going and have accepted that it won’t be very pleasant being masked for close on 20 hours door to door but that is a price we are prepared to pay. As far as I can ascertain (mostly from people here on the California forums, our anticipated activites won’t be curtailed too much - if they are we will just do something else. The only thin*s that would stop us going would be if Uncle Joe closed the border or implemented quarantine restrictions or if we tested positive before travel, all of which are risks covered by insurance or consumer protection legislation.

In your case you do of course compound the risk of border closures by visiting more than one country. Probably not an issue within the EU but between the EU and U.K. it could be, though that risk is likely more based in politics than fact.

Perhaps as import and anything is the fact you are travelling in the summer when virus transmission is far less of a risk and restrictions less likely.

Of course I could be wrong. Boris Johnson has just appeared on TV telling everyone it is all going to be ok for Christmas and we all know how well that worked out the last time!
Uncle Joe might have just thrown a wrench in your plans...stay tuned....

"The Biden administration is preparing stricter testing requirements for all travelers entering the United States, including returning Americans. Biden plans to announce on Thursday, U.S. officials will require everyone entering the country to be tested ONE DAY before boarding flights, regardless of their vaccination status or country of departure. In addition, they are debating a controversial proposal to require all travelers, including U.S. citizens, to self-quarantine for seven days, even if their test results are negative. Those who flout the requirements might be subject to fines and penalties, the first time such penalties would be linked to testing and quarantine measures for travelers in the United States.”
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Thanks for the heads up Odie! Doesn’t seem to square with his comments a couple of days ago, but that’s politicians for you!!
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When I originally asked this question it was before Omicron. Not making any plans yet. Thank you for all the replies.

crellston - I am not far from Pasadena at all. I hope you have a safe and relaxing trip to CA.
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rmoore - thanks, I am looking forward to it. Hopefully, this omicron think will turn out to be a non- event and we can both get where we want to go!
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Menachem, where did you find the information for a booster for EU citizens? Do you have a link?
https://www.telegraaf.nl/nieuws/1845308244/boostershoppen-extra-vaccin-haal-je-gewoon-in-frankrijk

https://www.nederlanders.fr/profiles/blogs/booster-halen-in-frankrijk


you can make a doctolib appointment. Many sites booked out, and dates available in january

Vienna is a popular booster destination too.
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Checking Doctolib every day, I easily got an appointment for my booster next week when the possibility suddenly appeared. I have to go to Saint Denis for it, but it is on the metro line, so not a problem. I'm sure I could have gotten a better (more convenient) appointment and cancelled the first one if I had kept looking, but I prefer to remain faithful to the first place (Saint Denis Université). I have never been there and will be happy to discover it.
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Originally Posted by kerouac View Post
Next summer is too far away right now to base your plans on covid rates.
I agree, its too hard to know what will happen at this point.. Given the once in a lifetime thing, I might plan for it anyway with some wiggle room to push it back if needed.
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Originally Posted by Mikeycora1 View Post
So, what's the problem. Get the shots and the CDC card and off you go. We sent a month last summer traveling Paris, Prague and Germany and had not one problem. Follow the rules and you will be fine. One of the best vacations in Europe we have had in the last 20 years. Going back for June and July. I know you read a lot here and many of the same sites across the internet and much of it is from people who just don't know many of the facts. Listen to the longtime posters.
I think people here are just making an effort a) to understand the rules and b) to travel respectfully. It's quite a big deal if you see your country struggling with hospital beds and there are people making plans to come and descend upon your country. If you are making plans you want to make sure you have all the procedures right and also that you don't offend people. I think this is a very respectful thread, and many of the posters here are as you say, longtime posters.

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Checking Doctolib every day, I easily got an appointment for my booster next week when the possibility suddenly appeared. I have to go to Saint Denis for it, but it is on the metro line, so not a problem. I'm sure I could have gotten a better (more convenient) appointment and cancelled the first one if I had kept looking, but I prefer to remain faithful to the first place (Saint Denis Université). I have never been there and will be happy to discover it.
I went for Lille because it's such an easy train ride from Rotterdam, non-Thalys.
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