jw0721

well just so you know i use those as a guide line not as a must do itinerary! just so we are clear... i usually pick my fav from those lists that way i always have plenty of time!!! It was just a quick way to say hey ok i can see all this is 3 days (but really only see what i want)

janisj

If you think you can see London in 3 days - it is your trip. Go for it.

But you did ask for help . . . . . .

PalenQ

www.trenitalia.com has some all-inclusive fares on these night trains for incredibly cheap prices - so it depends on the type of hotel one stays in - i figure about $200/nt for the average Fodor a night. With a pass they would pay about $90 for two on the train for the extra sleeping options.

jw0721

my help is on the travel between those places... but no one seems to be helping with that .. and no one has any opinion about where to spend those 2 days.... oh well! i'll think of something, i always do
I just wanted some opinions about that not really tearing down my ideas..... this was a first time fodors post....

thanks to all that shared something i didn't know before!
Have a great day

jw0721

thanks for link pq!!!!

and thanks janisj
i know you were only trying to help!

PalenQ

OK - in between - Fodorites tend to always tell folks they are traveling too fast - too much in too little time - a value judgment that i do not always agree with and do pack a lot of territory covered into a few week period - esp on trains blasting around up to near 200mph and overnight trains.

Ok - from London to Paris and then take a daytime TGV train to Switzerland - to the Interlaken area and spend a day in the high Alps by mountain train from Interlaken - Grindelwald will take your breath away - at the base of 13,000 ft glacier-girdled peaks of the fabled Jungfrau.

then hop an overnight train to Rome

then up to Florence and then to Venice, where you could fly back home - or take the overnight train from Venice to Paris and back to London.

Depends on how many days you may want to spend in places like Rome, Paris and London - where the advice on Fodor's is often to spend all your time in just two of these - Paris and London. But you also come to Europe to see the countryside in between the famous big cities - viola the trains will do that nicely - very modern, etc. (Investigate the 3-country Eurail Select Pass good in France, Switzerland and Italy)

But as for stops along the way you really don't have that much time so i'd say Switzerland - incredibly beautiful Switzerland in between Paris and Italy.

Don't be turned off by the sometimes IMO too prescriptive attitude of some Fodorites - they actually are very very helpful IMO if a bit too didactic IMO

janisj

&quot;<i> no one has any opinion about where to spend those 2 days</i>&quot; We are trying to tell you - you won't have 2 days to spend. You don't just snap your fingers and end up all the way across the continent. It will use every bit of your &quot;extra&quot; time getting to Rome and back.

You say you already know enough about those 3 cities, so let PQ lead you - he does know trains.

ParisAmsterdam

jw0721,

With the limited amount of time
you'll have you really should skip
Disney. I have no doubt the one in Florida is better.

Rob

nessa_L

If you think you'll end up with 2 extra days, why don't you take day trips from London and Paris?

Oxford, Bath and Cambridge are all easy trips from London. From Paris, there's plenty of castles and historic cities easily reachable (although I'm not sure about opening times in the winter, a trip to Versailles could probably be done).

I wouldn't go for an overnight trip since it's already a lot for just 2 weeks, but that's only my opinion.

If you tell us more about your interests, I'm sure you'll have more suggestions.

bilboburgler

Try and fit the V&amp;A into London and the D'Orsey into Paris

suze

But people HAVE been helping you with how to get place to place, it's been said several times already:

Fly into London
Train to Paris
Overnight train or flight to Rome
Fly home from Rome

If you still insist on planning that you have &quot;2 extra days&quot;, maybe add Florence between Paris and Rome?

LSky

You would be perfect for a tour. They will tell you what there is to see and what not to see- no dilly dallying. If you don't like to do research, they've done it all

rogeruktm

Sorry I replied earlier.

suze

Trains, planes, busses, are all good ways to get around Europe.

I suggest an overview guidebook so you can narrow down places that are of interest to YOU. Doesn't really matter our suggestions, a trip should be planning around what YOU want to see &amp; do.

Carolina

I would skip Disney, it's not the best time of year for euro disney anyway.
I agree with all the other posters who say you will not have time to spare.
However, if you find you have spare time, you could take day trips from London, Paris and Rome.
From London, you could visit Cambridge or Oxford for a day, or Windsor Castle, or Stratford Upon Avon.
From Paris, you could visit Versailles.
From Rome, you could visit Naples, Pompeii, and or Sorrento. Naples is a couple of hours by train from Rome and you can connect to Pompeii and Sorrento at Naples station.
An open jaw ticket will save time back tracking.
Venice is another possibility if you really want to add a 4th city. You could take a train from Rome to Venice and then fly home from there.
This is not a trip I would like to do but you seem to know what you want. Travel delays do however happen, especially in winter.

PalenQ

since you were asking about modes of travel and were thinking about train travel i will refer you to two sites that i always do for rather clueless folks about European trains and railpasses - www.ricksteves.com and www.budgeteuropetravel.com - two sites with tons of objective info as well as the usual pass prices - the latter lets you download their free European Planning &amp; Rail Guide that has itinerary planners for each country - as you ask what places are in between. European trains are modern, frequent and easy to use IMO and as opposed to flying you do see the land in between countries - and not just mega tourist cities and only airports. And the idea of basing from a city like Rome, London or Paris is great - day trips into countryside and smaller towns that are often more typical of the country in general rather than a Paris is of France and a london is of England, etc.

jw0721

thank you PQ that will be most helpful...

So I would like to ask....
how long it takes to visit the palace of versailles?

and to update you
while in paris i have made a definite 3 days
one day
Eiffel Tower and cathedral of notre dame and if anytime left explore near those points

2 day
Disneyland Paris

3 day
Versailles

suze

You can easily do the Eiffel Tower and Notre Dame in one day, with lots of time leftover (but they are not particularly close to each other).

jw0721

yes i seen that on the map but seems like it won't take much time.... cathedral in the morning and tower at night because it's open until 11:30pm i believe, so have plenty of travelling time

suze

You can get between the two using the Metro. Or you could even walk (we did) but it took a couple hours plus we stopped for lunch.