Why the hate for Rick Steves?
Aug 2nd, 2006, 09:34 AM
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Dukey: Yes; if Rick Steves had posted/written/said something in the past that had caused such ill will, I would not purchase his guidebook. I'm currently checking out every guidebook my library has to offer, deciding which to purchase and take with me. Haven't gotten to his.
Scarlett: I spent lunch reading that ENTIRE thread you linked, and it seems my habit of not reading threads after they turn nasty has led me astray... because certainly you and others are right, posting this topic does stir up a certain sort of poster. My habits did not AT ALL give me the complete picture!
A cursory check of my posting history tells you what sort of forum poster I am. I guess I woke up on the defensive side of the bed, allowing some silliness to get to me. At least I learned to read ALL of the threads that Scarlett recommends.
Scarlett: I spent lunch reading that ENTIRE thread you linked, and it seems my habit of not reading threads after they turn nasty has led me astray... because certainly you and others are right, posting this topic does stir up a certain sort of poster. My habits did not AT ALL give me the complete picture!
A cursory check of my posting history tells you what sort of forum poster I am. I guess I woke up on the defensive side of the bed, allowing some silliness to get to me. At least I learned to read ALL of the threads that Scarlett recommends.
Aug 2nd, 2006, 09:35 AM
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<<...because it veered into a childish, mudflinging catfight, and that level of negativity before lunch is not something I really need.>>
That said, you could have guessed where this thread would be headed. I'm not sure why you'd expect to get different replies from all the other times this question has been asked.
That said, you could have guessed where this thread would be headed. I'm not sure why you'd expect to get different replies from all the other times this question has been asked.
Aug 2nd, 2006, 09:39 AM
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I agree with the above. I don't think that he necessarily tells you not to learn any of the language; he just lets those new to European travel know that they can, in fact, get by without being fluent in the language. I honestly think that the "language barrier" is what keeps many from traveling to Europe.
As far as telling his audience that "don't worry, everyone speaks English", I do agree that its somewhat foolish I see people on here post the same thing from time to time.
Tracy
As far as telling his audience that "don't worry, everyone speaks English", I do agree that its somewhat foolish I see people on here post the same thing from time to time.
Tracy
Aug 2nd, 2006, 09:46 AM
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My stats on Gimelwald came from being there only a few weeks ago. Those #'s came from a tourist brochure I picked up at the Interlaken tourist bureau. And yes I did check to make sure it wasn't a reference to the more populous Grimelwald.
If it's wrong, it might be that they are including hotels in the surrounding area as well as Gimelwald itself.
Sorry for the confusion.
If it's wrong, it might be that they are including hotels in the surrounding area as well as Gimelwald itself.
Sorry for the confusion.
Aug 2nd, 2006, 09:58 AM
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I hope I didn't sound as if I "hate" Rick Steves, I certainly don't. I think his programs are very interesting and entertaining, he makes everyplace he visits look so inviting. He has encouraged a lot of people to travel on their own, who may not have had the courage to do so without his insistance that it would be easy and didn't have to cost a fortune.
What I don't always like are his somewhat nasty comments about other American tourists, and yes like it or not we are all tourists.
My point was that his choice of destinations is very limited and that is frustrating to me, I've rarely been able to use his books because they don't cover the areas I will be visiting. Then again, we do bring a new definition to "Off the beaten path".
What I don't always like are his somewhat nasty comments about other American tourists, and yes like it or not we are all tourists.
My point was that his choice of destinations is very limited and that is frustrating to me, I've rarely been able to use his books because they don't cover the areas I will be visiting. Then again, we do bring a new definition to "Off the beaten path".
Aug 2nd, 2006, 10:04 AM
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There are VERY few people on this forum who actively hate Rick Steves. And one of them seems to hate plenty of other things as well, so his spleen isn't vented at RS alone.
I don't like or share his approach to travel, but in fact, he's hardly ever on my mental radar except when these posts come up. I supposed I'm actually relieved that he seems to know almost nothing about my favorite parts of Paris and absolutely nothing about our favorite parts of Germany and Austria. Hope it stays that way! Because some of his "off the beaten path" suggestions have evolved into some of the MOST beaten paths in Europe. But you can probably say something similar about any top selling guidebook.
He basically took the Let's Go and similar guides for budget travel and repackaged that kind of stuff for older, non-student audiences. A clever idea and he definitely found and filled an overlooked niche market. Good for him.
The only time I "roll my eyes" is when even the slightest criticism of RS is labeled as jealousy. RS is a clever businessman, but not the most perfect traveler ever to trod the earth. And I really do roll my eyes when someone says you can't criticize anything about him or his books unless you've written a best-selling travel guide yourself. What rubbish. You can criticize movies without having directed or starred in a blockbuster; you can criticize politicians without having served in office; so you can certainly criticize a book without having written one yourself.
The criticism about Rick Steves' appearance, however, does strike me as irrelevant. I don't see why anyone--except Mrs. Steves--should care in the least about his haircut or travel wardrobe.
I don't like or share his approach to travel, but in fact, he's hardly ever on my mental radar except when these posts come up. I supposed I'm actually relieved that he seems to know almost nothing about my favorite parts of Paris and absolutely nothing about our favorite parts of Germany and Austria. Hope it stays that way! Because some of his "off the beaten path" suggestions have evolved into some of the MOST beaten paths in Europe. But you can probably say something similar about any top selling guidebook.
He basically took the Let's Go and similar guides for budget travel and repackaged that kind of stuff for older, non-student audiences. A clever idea and he definitely found and filled an overlooked niche market. Good for him.
The only time I "roll my eyes" is when even the slightest criticism of RS is labeled as jealousy. RS is a clever businessman, but not the most perfect traveler ever to trod the earth. And I really do roll my eyes when someone says you can't criticize anything about him or his books unless you've written a best-selling travel guide yourself. What rubbish. You can criticize movies without having directed or starred in a blockbuster; you can criticize politicians without having served in office; so you can certainly criticize a book without having written one yourself.
The criticism about Rick Steves' appearance, however, does strike me as irrelevant. I don't see why anyone--except Mrs. Steves--should care in the least about his haircut or travel wardrobe.
Aug 2nd, 2006, 10:11 AM
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I keep hearing references to Mr. Steve's recommendation to take food from the breakfast buffet---a definite no-no. But I've seen many of his videos and read many books, and have never seen him say that. Can someone please point to the exact spot? Or is everyone simply repeating hearsay? (Sorry, Tiff).
As for TuscanTweety and her purpose here, let's try a little kindness. It seem to me that she really is a first-time traveller to Europe looking at guidebooks, and wondering which to choose. Her question as to why Mr. S is so controversial is simply legitimate curiousity---she wonders if she should use his books or not. The other threads to which everyone points give lots of opinions, but it's hard to glean any real information on the subject from the catfight.
As for TuscanTweety and her purpose here, let's try a little kindness. It seem to me that she really is a first-time traveller to Europe looking at guidebooks, and wondering which to choose. Her question as to why Mr. S is so controversial is simply legitimate curiousity---she wonders if she should use his books or not. The other threads to which everyone points give lots of opinions, but it's hard to glean any real information on the subject from the catfight.
Aug 2nd, 2006, 10:52 AM
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I think you need to give the guy a break. After all, like Pausanias posted previously he did build an empire and has made travel much more accessible to the average "Joe."
We (myself, husband and two teen boys) have been on 5 European vacations in the last 5 years (just returned from one week in Provence and 2 weeks in Italy) and his books have always been our number 1 choice to bring with us, along with the small DK Top Ten books. You can't pack them all and we find the big D.K. books fine for home use but just too heavy to bring along.
We have found his tips for drivers such as where to park invaluable. His self-guided tours have been extremely helpful as he picks out the important stuff you want to see. We spent 3 hot hours at Pompeii using his book and saw the important stuff and that was good enough for us.
We have used many of his listed accommodations (always get private bathrooms) and have found them perfectly comfortable. We enjoy the smaller places vs. staying in big 4-5 star hotels. On our summer 2005 trip to Croatia, Slovenia and Venice, we stayed in a small place from R.S. book (near Plitvice National Park in Croatia) that had a huge patio. One of our most memorable evenings was spent on the patio visiting with guests from various countries in Europe. That would never have happened if we were staying at a big place.
Regardless if you agree or disagree with Rick's world views, etc. you can not dispute that his information is very helpful and up-to-date. We certainly have noticed that the number of R.S. guidebooks seen overseas far outnumber any other--so much that our waiter in Siena asked to look at our book several years back because he was seeing so many of them! You go Rick!
We (myself, husband and two teen boys) have been on 5 European vacations in the last 5 years (just returned from one week in Provence and 2 weeks in Italy) and his books have always been our number 1 choice to bring with us, along with the small DK Top Ten books. You can't pack them all and we find the big D.K. books fine for home use but just too heavy to bring along.
We have found his tips for drivers such as where to park invaluable. His self-guided tours have been extremely helpful as he picks out the important stuff you want to see. We spent 3 hot hours at Pompeii using his book and saw the important stuff and that was good enough for us.
We have used many of his listed accommodations (always get private bathrooms) and have found them perfectly comfortable. We enjoy the smaller places vs. staying in big 4-5 star hotels. On our summer 2005 trip to Croatia, Slovenia and Venice, we stayed in a small place from R.S. book (near Plitvice National Park in Croatia) that had a huge patio. One of our most memorable evenings was spent on the patio visiting with guests from various countries in Europe. That would never have happened if we were staying at a big place.
Regardless if you agree or disagree with Rick's world views, etc. you can not dispute that his information is very helpful and up-to-date. We certainly have noticed that the number of R.S. guidebooks seen overseas far outnumber any other--so much that our waiter in Siena asked to look at our book several years back because he was seeing so many of them! You go Rick!
Aug 2nd, 2006, 11:06 AM
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Hi Nora ~ It was over a year ago while researching our second trip to Italy that I first read here on Fodors about his breakfast buffet stash and dash. I should have said "read" and not "heard" in my above post.
And you are right, I read it hear and did not actually see it spoke from his mouth on TV nor did I read it in one of his guide books, so it is indeed hearsay. However I do recall reading it in numerous posts, if that matters at all.
So often I do take the wise words typed by Fodorites as gold. (But why wouldn't I????)
And you are right, I read it hear and did not actually see it spoke from his mouth on TV nor did I read it in one of his guide books, so it is indeed hearsay. However I do recall reading it in numerous posts, if that matters at all.
So often I do take the wise words typed by Fodorites as gold. (But why wouldn't I????)
Aug 2nd, 2006, 11:14 AM
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I found this quote by Steves on a May 2005 CBS News interview with said individual:
"We learned from the school of hard knocks," says Steves. "And for the first couple of days, we were sneaking into hotels and we were stealing lunch from breakfast and were pathetic street urchins in Europe. And then we got our act together and we got it down, and by the end of the trip, we were good travelers."
"We learned from the school of hard knocks," says Steves. "And for the first couple of days, we were sneaking into hotels and we were stealing lunch from breakfast and were pathetic street urchins in Europe. And then we got our act together and we got it down, and by the end of the trip, we were good travelers."
Aug 2nd, 2006, 11:14 AM
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Thank, Tiff.
I'm just wondering if this is one of those things that everyone has "heard" (or read) here, and it keeps getting passed around, but is only a rumour with no truth behind it. So I'm still asking for someone to point out where and when he said this.
I'm thinking what he might had done is advise people to fill up their stomachs (not their pockets) at breakfast, to save on lunch expense later on. To my mind, that would be OK---and totally different from what he has been accused of saying.
I'm just wondering if this is one of those things that everyone has "heard" (or read) here, and it keeps getting passed around, but is only a rumour with no truth behind it. So I'm still asking for someone to point out where and when he said this.
I'm thinking what he might had done is advise people to fill up their stomachs (not their pockets) at breakfast, to save on lunch expense later on. To my mind, that would be OK---and totally different from what he has been accused of saying.
Aug 2nd, 2006, 11:14 AM
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Rick Steves just has too many books now and nobody can be an expert on that many places after all. I know he has other exerts helping him but there is an inconsistency from book to book.
His Italy book is fantastic, maybe his best book. We used it, and had other guidebooks as well. In 2004 his Italy guidebook was the best.
Now, I just used his Ireland guidebook (along with a whole shelfful of Ireland guidebooks) and found it to be entirely innacurate in many places. Also it doesn't compare with his Italy guidebook as it lacks details about the hotels and restaurants he is "recommending". If you have his Ireland guidebook already, rip out the Dingle sectiona and take it with you. Then toss the rest of the book out the window!
But use his Italy book as your travel bible!
His Italy book is fantastic, maybe his best book. We used it, and had other guidebooks as well. In 2004 his Italy guidebook was the best.
Now, I just used his Ireland guidebook (along with a whole shelfful of Ireland guidebooks) and found it to be entirely innacurate in many places. Also it doesn't compare with his Italy guidebook as it lacks details about the hotels and restaurants he is "recommending". If you have his Ireland guidebook already, rip out the Dingle sectiona and take it with you. Then toss the rest of the book out the window!
But use his Italy book as your travel bible!
Aug 2nd, 2006, 11:18 AM
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As for not learning the language...I've heard him several times on his show and on videos try to encourage folks to have the guts to use the phone to make reservations, confirm opening times, etc. He at least advises to be able to ask things like that in the local language. (Of course, my problem with doing that is when the person on the other end ANSWERS in the local language!)
Aug 2nd, 2006, 11:18 AM
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Wombat7---but isn't that interview statement very different from advising people to take food from breakfast? Especially if he clearly admitted it was stealing? I think he was just pointing out how naive they were at the start---and how wrong it was.
If this is the source of the rumour (thanks for coming up with it), you can see that it didn't come from his travel guides.
If this is the source of the rumour (thanks for coming up with it), you can see that it didn't come from his travel guides.
Aug 2nd, 2006, 11:25 AM
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Hat's off to Rick Steves - he gets my courage award for being a member of the board of directors of NORML - National Organization for Reform of Marijuana Laws - this takes guts for a public figure to do so - only has to lose not gain from this, but obviously a matter of conscious. On his web site he has or had at least a copy of his speech to NORML convention and pro-pot legilization statements.
That any public figure could have such courage!
That any public figure could have such courage!
