Why Liverpuddlian?
Dec 13th, 2006 | 07:33 AM
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I'm not sure that that's the derivation, since it's spelt with one d.
I've always assumed it was just euphony.
Not that I've ever actually heard of Blackpudlians (I'd have thought they would all claim to come from Morecambe).
I've always assumed it was just euphony.
Not that I've ever actually heard of Blackpudlians (I'd have thought they would all claim to come from Morecambe).
Dec 13th, 2006 | 07:36 AM
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I never heard of Blackpudlians either until i asked in a post about what Blackpoolians called themselves and flanneruk, who i think hails from the Liverpudlian area said it was Blackpudlians. So that's the last word on Blackpudlian in my mind.
Dec 13th, 2006 | 07:39 AM
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<<< Ordinarily, inhabitants of Liverpool (in northwest England) would be known as "Liverpoolians" or "Liverpoolites" or "Liverpoolers" on the same pattern that gives us "New Yorkers," "Brooklynites" and "Washingtonians." But some wag in the early 19th century decided to change the "pool" in "Liverpoolian" to "puddle" and shorten it to "pud" as a joke. >>>
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Dec 13th, 2006 | 07:46 AM
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The thought of Hartlepool calls up, simply, a respectful silence>>>>>
In the early 80s a wine bar in Hartlepool refused to serve me a glass of wine because it was a "poof's drink".
I had a bottle of dog instead.
In the early 80s a wine bar in Hartlepool refused to serve me a glass of wine because it was a "poof's drink".
I had a bottle of dog instead.
Dec 13th, 2006 | 08:54 AM
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Why are people from Manchester "Mancunians"?
Why are the chemical symbols for Lead "Pb" and Tungsten "W", respectively?
Why is there no word in English that rhymes with "Orange"?
How high is "up"?
Why are the chemical symbols for Lead "Pb" and Tungsten "W", respectively?
Why is there no word in English that rhymes with "Orange"?
How high is "up"?
Dec 13th, 2006 | 10:16 AM
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I guess it doesn't matter which Liverpool you are from either. I grew up in Liverpool NY and we were reffered to as either Liverpoolians or more recently as Liverpudlians. Never heard Liverpudlians as a kid growing up there but I do here people say it now. I know this doesn't add much to the discussion but I did learn something from it.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Dec 13th, 2006 | 11:39 AM
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The bizarre thing about this question is that for most of Englsh history there weren't words like Liverpudlian or Mancunian.
'Liverpudlian' - generally assumed to be the derivation of a joke - is first recorded in 1836. Every reference I've read in charters, chapbooks or local directories during the previous 620 years is about "burgesses", "inhabitants" or "the people of Liverpool". There may be examples of "Liverpoolers" and the like: but I've never come across one. English really didn't see the need for such words.
Most surreally though, the city's main building, St George's Hall (begun 1842) has SPQL (Senatus Populusque Liverpolitanus) monograms all over the place, on the basis that if that's more or less how people who presided over a measly bit of the Eurasian landmass a couple of thousand years earlier referred to themselves, then that was going to be how the people that dominated the trade of all the world's oceans would describe themselves too. But I can't imagine it was a term earlier Flanner generations found themselves using too often. No way of knowing for sure, though, since practically no early 19th century Flanners could read or write.
"Mancunian" didn't see the light of day till 1904, so those Roman legionaries must have had some completely different word to describe the locals
And the Oxford English Dictionary still doesn't recognise "Leodensian" (the poncey word for people from Leeds)
Some people in Hartlepool do call themselves Hartlepudlians, but my limited experience (I did once sit in on a focus group about this very subject) is that many also just call themselves Hartlepool.
'Liverpudlian' - generally assumed to be the derivation of a joke - is first recorded in 1836. Every reference I've read in charters, chapbooks or local directories during the previous 620 years is about "burgesses", "inhabitants" or "the people of Liverpool". There may be examples of "Liverpoolers" and the like: but I've never come across one. English really didn't see the need for such words.
Most surreally though, the city's main building, St George's Hall (begun 1842) has SPQL (Senatus Populusque Liverpolitanus) monograms all over the place, on the basis that if that's more or less how people who presided over a measly bit of the Eurasian landmass a couple of thousand years earlier referred to themselves, then that was going to be how the people that dominated the trade of all the world's oceans would describe themselves too. But I can't imagine it was a term earlier Flanner generations found themselves using too often. No way of knowing for sure, though, since practically no early 19th century Flanners could read or write.
"Mancunian" didn't see the light of day till 1904, so those Roman legionaries must have had some completely different word to describe the locals
And the Oxford English Dictionary still doesn't recognise "Leodensian" (the poncey word for people from Leeds)
Some people in Hartlepool do call themselves Hartlepudlians, but my limited experience (I did once sit in on a focus group about this very subject) is that many also just call themselves Hartlepool.
