Why don't I care if you smoke?

Jun 13th, 2002, 07:05 PM
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A cigarette is a pinch of tobacco, wrapped in paper, fire at one end, fool at the other.
 
Jun 13th, 2002, 11:17 PM
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Love,

Roy Castle a well known British entertainer/celebrity/Christian died of cancer from passive smoking (second hand smoke. Persistent passive smoking is still very unhealthy. Why do you think parents are advised not to smoke around young children? It is not safe, For asthmatics it can bring on an asthma attack, smoke is one of the triggers.
 
Jun 14th, 2002, 06:15 AM
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And we're certain this gentleman died of passive 2nd hand smoke.....how?

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Jun 14th, 2002, 06:47 AM
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Lillian how insensitive can you be. Sure would not want to be one of your friends, but then again, you probably don't have any.
 
Jun 14th, 2002, 07:10 AM
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I’ve got to wonder about those out there set to change the world. Here’s what dismays me: It is reasonably common knowledge that grilled and smoked meats cooked over coals or wood are loaded with umpteen known carcinogens.

If you ban smoking everywhere are you planning to ban my barbie? If I decide to grill a burger or a steak some Sunday afternoon can I expect to see one of you Morality Nazi’s bound over my fence with a fire extinguisher? Will you be taking me to court because the smoke from my grill is giving you second hand high cholesterol?

Just curious.

The whole idea of the government (or you) telling me, on a personal level, what I can and cannot do scares the bejesus out of me.
 
Jun 14th, 2002, 07:23 AM
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From a sociological point of view, this is a fascinating topic. However, it is very hard to discuss with people whose main source of information has been CNN.

Let me tell you a couple of FACTS (that is, something that can't be disputed).

The US, for example, has 1% of the world's smokers. For some bizarre reason, US health authorities claim 10% of the smoking related deaths in the world. Shouldn't that figure be 1%?

Take Japanese men. They are among the world's heaviest smokers (in terms of cigarettes, not weight). 50% of Japanese men smoke, as opposed to 25% of Americans. For some bizarre reason, the Japanese have the longest life expectancy in the world. Why is that?

It has been proven (by the World Health Organization) that second hand smoke related deaths are a myth. It was also proven that children living in households where 1 or both parents smoke were LESS prone to lung cancer...

Weird, isn't it?

I would like to see a poll, on how many of the people being so vocal against smoking on this thread are American. I would suspect that most of them are.
 
Jun 14th, 2002, 07:26 AM
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Message to smokers :

We don't hate you. On the other hand, we don't care if you are killing yourself with cigs. either. We aren't much concerned about getting cancer from sitting next to you 45 min in a restaurant.

The problem is... it stinks! it interferes with my tasting enjoyment of my food or beverage. It makes me cough. Because I'm ALLERGIC to other things, it makes my nose IRRITATED and makes me sneeze. The only way you can compare your smoking to my boozing is if I spit some Shiraz on you.

Maybe things are different in CA, but I don't think anti-smoking feelings are normally a health-nazi kind of thing.

Message to Non-Smokers:

Back in the day before everything was non-smoking I , on rare occaisions, would politely ask a smoker to put it out for a while. No one ever told me to drop dead. Courtesy will get you what you want 95% of the time.
 
Jun 14th, 2002, 07:27 AM
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Due to my lifelong work dealing with the lunatic fringe I should know better than to wade back in here, what with the Carrie Nation’s of the world who would much rather take an axe to something that they don’t like rather than to reason through, but here goes.

Rather than outright banning smoking in a place like a bar or even a restaurant, why not give the owner options?

A. Ban all smoking on the premises. That’s one option. If the owner/operator thinks that’s where the best interest of his business lies, so be it. This is a capitalist economy, for those of you who have forgotten, profit is NOT a dirty word, and no one should be allowed to determine a business’ operating policy except for the owner(s).
B. Should he/she decide instead to give their clients a choice of smoking here’s another option. The business that decides to allow smoking will be directed, by law or statute, to buy an air exchange unit/ionizer that is capable of turning over and purifying the air in an area TWICE the size of the establishment in question at least every hour. The owner would agree in writing with the municipality/county to undergo a monthly inspection to ascertain the mechanism is doing its job. Failing to do this could result in a fine or suspension of the operator’s license. Should the owner decide to go to the expense of buying and maintaining the purifier in order to have smoking in his establishment, then so be it.

Of course that’s far too logical. It is more fun for the self-righteous to dictate to everyone else what’s best for “all of us.” However, bear in mind that some of the electric “smoke-eaters” on the market are so effective that even the smell of tobacco smoke is eliminated. But then what would there be to whine about? Like a previous poster said, the do-gooders would probably move next to ban grilled meats in public places.
 
Jun 14th, 2002, 07:48 AM
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I just want to inject a little bit of science on this highly charged subject. I am an otolaryngologist that specialises in allergy medicine. Also, I did a stint at a university medical center on addiction. Having said that, here goes:
There truly is no such thing as an allergy to cigarette smoke. That is a very common myth (that may or may not have anything to do with the proliferation of vehement anti-smokers--I won't take sides here). However, cigarettes contain a number of toxic chemicals and irritants that can aggravate _other_ allergies and/or trigger asthma. So, the irritation is indeed real, but it is not an allergy to smoke, per se. Posters who claim a smoke allergy (Lisa, Uncle Sam), I urge you to see your doctor to get your allergy/breathing condition properly diagnosed. If smoke irritates you more than the typical person (i.e., you don't just hate the smell and its pervasiveness), you may have an underlying, valid allergy that is going untreated.
The poster who pointed out that marijuana is generally not physically addictive was accurate. Those who are predisposed to addiction (alcoholics and their progeny) are more likely to develop dependence upon marijuana. I suspect that those who say they can quit but just choose not to fall into that group of genetically predisposed addicts.
 
Jun 14th, 2002, 08:08 AM
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Doc:

Maybe you can help me out with a related question. I am sure that you are aware with a "condition" called MCS (Multiple Chemical Sensitivity).

Is that for real? Or is it NOT coincidental that most people who suffer from it are middle-aged, affluent and American?
 
Jun 14th, 2002, 08:11 AM
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Sorry, that should have read:

"aware OF a condition"... (I was thinking "familiar WITH" as I wrote it)

Thx
 
Jun 14th, 2002, 08:15 AM
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GudGawd, I think you're a Eurowannabe who's embarrassed by his own countrymen/women. SO WHAT if that lady did what she did. She has every right to be asked to be moved if the smoke was bothering her. Yes you have to respect other cultures and customs especially when you're visiting them, but what she did isn't disrespectful. I'm a Yank living in london. I have plenty of English friend also offended by cigarette smoke. They complain all the time about how smokey it is in places like Spain. I think the problem is yours not hers!
 
Jun 14th, 2002, 08:23 AM
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GudGawd, I think you're a Eurowannabe who's embarrassed by his own countrymen/women. SO WHAT if that lady did what she did. She has every right to be asked to be moved if the smoke was bothering her. Yes you have to respect other cultures and customs especially when you're visiting them, but what she did isn't disrespectful. I'm a Yank living in london. I have plenty of English friend also offended by cigarette smoke. They complain all the time about how smokey it is in places like Spain. I think the problem is yours not hers!
 
Jun 14th, 2002, 08:31 AM
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What irritates me more than the actual smoking is the attitude of smokers who drop their cig butts on the ground, grind it out and leave their trash on the ground - it's a total lack of consideration for public space and cleanliness. The smoker's attitude is: I don't care about the my surroundings, I only care about me. It takes 10 years for A cigarette butt to disintegrate. They say "it''s only a little cigarette butt, what does it matter?" They don't see the hundreds of other cigarette butts littering the sidewalk and making the area unsightly. It's no different than people who spit on the sidewalk. Thus if a smoker is going to be so selfish then I see no reason not to be selfish also.

PS - I recycle - separate and wash my can, bottles and plastic.
 
Jun 14th, 2002, 08:32 AM
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I am a non-smoker and I dislike smoking. Smoking will kill you, no doubt - believe me, I have the family gravestones to prove it.

I am happy that we have some restrictions on smoking in certain places here in the US, but I accept that some places are going to be smoky. I deal with it. It's OK. Exposing myself to a few hours of second-hand smoke every few months is probably less harmful than the daily lungfull of bus and taxi exhaust I get working in a big city.

Now, what kind of dimwit goes into an English pub (of all places) and complains about the smoke?! Has she never been to a bar before? If you dislike the smoke, leave. Otherwise, shut up and drink your Boddington's.
 
Jun 14th, 2002, 08:38 AM
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liam, i think you're right, but if all she did was ask to sit at another table what's the big deal. If she happens to be loud and have an "obnoxious" new jersey accent, well that's neither here nor there. The brits may have even gotten a kick out of it. I mean was she going around to each table asking people to not smoke?? That's something entirely different. Was she sitting there complaining about the smoke so loudly that everyone could hear her? That's rude and disrespectful.
 
Jun 14th, 2002, 08:38 AM
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"What irritates me more than the actual smoking is the attitude of smokers who drop their cig butts on the ground, grind it out and leave their trash on the ground - it's a total lack of consideration for public space and cleanliness. The smoker's attitude is: I don't care about the my surroundings, I only care about me. It takes 10 years for A cigarette butt to disintegrate." Anon.

Bravo, Anon. It kills me to see a smoker toss a cigarette butt out a car window onto the road. Doesn't your friggin' car have a friggin' ashtray?!?!

Our society has become incredibly self centered in the past few decades and smokers are no exception. When was the last time you heard someone ask, "Mind if I smoke?" (Actually, I do.)
 
Jun 14th, 2002, 08:39 AM
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"Now, what kind of dimwit goes into an English pub (of all places) and complains about the smoke?! "

People from New Jersey!
 
Jun 14th, 2002, 09:04 AM
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That's mild behavior for people from New Jersey. Most of them have a really bad attitude problem.

OTOH, I survived five long years in "Jersey" going for the brass ring...and If I'd had to stay there one day longer, I too would have developed the "Jersey" attitude, just putting up with the folks in "Jersey"!

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Jun 14th, 2002, 09:05 AM
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Yo Uncle Sam, I'm from Jersey. Get bent!
 

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