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US citizens will need a VISA for European countries

Apr 1st, 2004, 07:54 AM
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You got me, AA!
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Apr 1st, 2004, 08:02 AM
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So I should wait until Oct 26th? That will be too close to expiration date. Don't I need to have one with at least 6 months left on it? Not that I have plans, but you never know.
I think I will take this passport thread out of AAFF's AFJ and start a new thread.
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Apr 1st, 2004, 08:17 AM
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There has always been this feeling among American officials that we are better than others when it comes to travel.

Not too many years ago, it was almost a disgrace to know that if I wanted to go off to visit my friends in London, I could call an airline and leave that night. But my British friends had to go get a visa as did almost everybody else except Canadians.

It took pulling teeth for the US to institute the visa waiver programme which in essence issues a visa at the point of entry but of course with all the paperwork involved. We can still go most places in Europe simply by showing our passports at the airport...sometimes they even look at the passports. British officials are very meticulous about stamping the passports after filling out a landing card...go to Paris for the weekend you get 2 British stamps in your passport. The French? A quickie check at Waterloo station (since 9/11 they have even begun looking at the pictures in the passport)but arriving at Gare du Nord, nobody gives a hoot.

The Polish prime minister was in Washington recently. Poland has been part of the coalition and all he wanted was Poland to be put on the list of countries which can participate in the visa waiver programme and Bush brushed him off.

Now of course we have all the hassles that have been instituted in the name of security but when other countries do the same thing (like Brazil) you hear American officials howling in despair.

So while I thought immediately the original post was an April fools post, the reality is that it really is something that could be considered if American officials go through with their plans to bar visitors without the special passports that they actually think will provide extra security (I guarantee that within 6 months sophisticated terrorists will be able to counterfeit these also).

Face it, all this added security may make many of us feel safer but the reality is that with all the money available to the subhumans pulling the garbage going on, does anybody really think these steps will have the slightest degree of effectiveness? All they will do is add one more hassle to traveling with no increase in anybody's security.
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Apr 1st, 2004, 08:24 AM
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Ok folks,

One more time. European Union, UK, US and few other countries are on the same page. They ALL endorsed the NEW passports. It will be a fact of life for ALL.

The difference is, US THINKS they will be ready to issue theirs on 10/26 (knowing our government, I have doubts), and they would like all the other western countries to start issuing theirs around the same time. The others are not ready, and you kinow why? because their chips will hold more info than ours.
It's not a US telling the world, it's just a timing thing.
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Apr 1st, 2004, 08:31 AM
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And all the citizens of all the countries involved will ONLY get the new one, when their old passports expire. We don't have to change our passports on 10/26, as long as they are machine-readable. Some of the old European passports are not even that, and that's the ONLY requirement the US is putting on the owners of the really OLD passports. No visa waivers for them, unless they upgrade to the machine-readable one. Once these expire, the owners will get he "new" biometric passports, not sooner. Nobody is making anybody change a perfectly good passpot till it's expired.
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Apr 1st, 2004, 09:52 AM
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AAFF, I will be travelling to the UK, France, and Switzerland August 2004, and my passport expires in March 2005. I had thought about renewing it now, but after reading your info about biometric passports, I'm thinking it might be best to wait until closer to March 2005. Your opinion please.
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Apr 1st, 2004, 10:01 AM
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I would wait. I would apply for a new one right after the 1st of the year. Hopefully, they will have everything figured out by then.

My is good for another 5 years, and I'm in no hurry to change it till 2009. Unfortunately I only have 2 more pages left for stamps, so I'm sure if I send it it for more pages, they will tell me to get the new one. Probably by the end of next year, if the traveling god is good to me.
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Apr 1st, 2004, 07:31 PM
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If P_M & I wait until less than 6 months before expiration (PM- March 05 & me- Jan 05) our passports will be less than 6 months to exp & we can't use them where 6mo or more are needed to go.
I know I said I would repost under different title, but it seems to be rolling along here.
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Apr 2nd, 2004, 01:07 AM
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lol u got me bad on this one! im studying over here and almost cried....granted i have a visa, but for france! im leaving for italy tomorrow and that would not have been cool! thanx for the laugh!

also, what is this about the US changing passports...im confused, i havent heard anything about this! obviously ive been out of the states too long...can someone enlighten me

and Alice13...b/c clearly slapping a visa on american travelers will teach us a lesson? that we dont rule the world? b/c clearly EVERY US citizen is JUST like our government or AGREES with our govt...WRONG! and Americans themselves (at least the one's that i know, and im not trying to generalize here) DONT feel that way, that we rule the world! in fact many ppl r angry with our govt, there r also those who support it, but AMERICANS and the AMERICAN GOVERNMENT r 2 completely different things and a VISA on travelers (most of whom WANT to see the world and visit new places and r not just interested in the US) isnt going to change anything....sorry for the rant, but ive been here too long and had too many things said to me along those lines in the past few weeks...just remember that b/c the govt does one thing, not all citizens agree....the govt and the citizens r different and thats one thing ive learned here about ppl in general is that in their eyes, the US and the American citizens r the same thing!

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Apr 2nd, 2004, 03:00 AM
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If expiration date is near, I would go ahead and renew my passport. It is doubtful that the US will have its act together begin its own program by October.

The deadline for the waiver countries has been pushed back already once, and most likely will be pushed back again. No country has the technology yet in place to produce these passports. I dont think a miracle will occur in the next 6 months.

Besides, it is not a requirement for US passport holders to travel to other countries (yet).

AAFrequentflyer, you will not receive a new passport when you add pages. I have done this twice with my current passport, most recently last month. They will simply tape a set of new pages into your passport with a seal stating where and when it was done. Took 10 minutes. No charge involved, which is much cheaper than renewing.
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Apr 2nd, 2004, 04:21 AM
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Queenie, you are probably right that the new passports will not be ready by October. However, I will have just under 7 months validity left when my trip ends. Will this cause a problem? If so I will renew ASAP. If not, I will hold off on the chance that I can get a biometric one before my 2005 trip.
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Apr 2nd, 2004, 04:33 AM
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That was one the BEST April's Fool tricks I've ever been part of!!! YOU RASCAL!! I'll admit that I FROZE as I read it!! SOOOOOO relieved!! Good fun.
 
Apr 2nd, 2004, 09:04 AM
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OTOH, I just heard on CNN and BBCWorld that the U.S. department of Homeland Security will now require travelers from the UK, Japan, France, etc. (countries covered by the "visa waiver" rules) to be photographed and fingerprinted...the details are sketchy, no news org web site links up yet, but AAFF's imaginary scenario could possibly become real.

On a lighter note, this joke came over the email today. Now I actually believe the French are very brave, but it still made me chuckle:

French terror alert level raised
AP and UPI report that the French Government announced today France has raised its terror alert level from "run" to "hide." The only two higher levels in France are "surrender" and "collaborate."
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Apr 2nd, 2004, 09:21 AM
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To answer the first part of your post. The ONLY ones that will need to be fingerprinted are the ones that have the real "OLD" non-machine-readable passports. Anybody with the machine readable passport is fine.

The second part is funny
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Apr 2nd, 2004, 10:19 AM
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P_M,
6 months validity is all that's necessary for countries that have this requirement. You should be fine if you're traveling in August and your passport doesn't expire until next March.
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Apr 2nd, 2004, 10:24 AM
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FYI,

UK will except US passports that are expired, as long as it's no more than 6 months expired.
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Apr 2nd, 2004, 11:14 AM
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Apr 2nd, 2004, 11:25 AM
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Here's what the Times reports regarding the new fingerprinting requirements -- basically everyone will now be fingerprinted:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/02/po...2CND-TRAV.html
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Apr 2nd, 2004, 11:26 AM
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"Everyone" -- by that I mean non-citizens or green-card holders, of course.
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Apr 2nd, 2004, 12:31 PM
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"Anybody with the machine readable passport is fine."
Not true. I have a machine readable passport and I would be photographed and fingerprinted. They want "biometric" passports, even thought there is no technology ready for those (not in US either) by October.
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