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Sep 16th, 2012, 03:47 PM
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<< okay, but do be aware that more than a million Catalonians took the streets of Barcelona a few days to demand independence from Spain. >>
What does that mean? Does it have something to do with Spanish music? Were they singing while demonstrating?
What does that mean? Does it have something to do with Spanish music? Were they singing while demonstrating?
Sep 17th, 2012, 02:04 AM
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adrienne,
I don't know why you are going to Barcelona, and there are lots of ways to enjoy Barcelona without knowing its people's current ideas or its history. I'm not being snarky when I say that. Most people go to Barcelona and Spain without ever thinking of listening to music from that part of Europe. They still have a great time eating tapas, looking at Gaudi
You can have a great time in Barcelona without understanding why the Catalan people are so proud of their own music. The single greatest piece of architecture in Barcelona is actually the Palace of Music (Palau de la Musica). I hope you will see it, but I am thinking it might mean more to you when you do if you have listened to Catalan music and understood how Catalans feel about it.
One very strong aspect of Catalan history and even today's Catalonian nationalism as viewed in Barcelona is that Catalan culture is beautiful because it has been such a cosmopolitan culture. So you will also hear Spanish music in Barcelona (as well as American music), so download what you like to listen to.
I don't know why you are going to Barcelona, and there are lots of ways to enjoy Barcelona without knowing its people's current ideas or its history. I'm not being snarky when I say that. Most people go to Barcelona and Spain without ever thinking of listening to music from that part of Europe. They still have a great time eating tapas, looking at Gaudi
You can have a great time in Barcelona without understanding why the Catalan people are so proud of their own music. The single greatest piece of architecture in Barcelona is actually the Palace of Music (Palau de la Musica). I hope you will see it, but I am thinking it might mean more to you when you do if you have listened to Catalan music and understood how Catalans feel about it.
One very strong aspect of Catalan history and even today's Catalonian nationalism as viewed in Barcelona is that Catalan culture is beautiful because it has been such a cosmopolitan culture. So you will also hear Spanish music in Barcelona (as well as American music), so download what you like to listen to.
Sep 17th, 2012, 02:17 AM
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Of course I know the great diversity of Spanish music, just as diverse as the country itself and part of the numerous claims of cultural and political independence across the country.
When it comes to flamenco, which many foreigners think of as "the" Spanish music, genuine flamenco is a minor thing in Spain today. Partly because of the shallow and tourist oriented "nacionalflamencquismo" of the Franco regime (which can account for much of the flamenco image both abroad and within Spain), and partly because of the widespread predjudices towards the South/Andalucía in general and gitanos in particular.
The best flamenco singers can only hope to sell a few thousand copies of their recordings, but the closely associated and much more accessible copla song style is widely popular also in other parts of Spain as well as in Latin America, making the copla stars national celebrities in Spain. Thus many of the flamenco singers also do their copla recordings. Fabulous Miguel Poveda's (from Barcelona) "Coplas del querer" being one of the most recent and successfull examples. He sold to gold and platina in Spain within a few months and was nominated for the 2009 Latin Grammy.
For those of us who loves flamenco, there is nevertheless no doubt that Poveda is ten times better when singing "the real deal", that is flamenco. And the greatest flamenco singers, guitarists and dancers, despite flamenco being a relatively marinal phenomenon, draws a very knowledgeable, dedicated and passionate crowd all over Spain. Despite the obvious Andalucian origins and roots, Madrid is arguably the flamenco capital of the world today, and also in Barcelona there is a very much alive and kicking flamenco culture. Even up in the North coast, theaters fill when the greatest flamenco performers visit.
And perhaps not so strange: Flamenco is the most powerful cultural expression of this unique mix of Christian, Jewish, Moslem and Gitano culture that makes Spain - with all its diversity - so special.
Here's the trailer to director Carlos Saura's state of the art movie "Flamenco, flamenco" from 2010: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xg2-8Ipvz4
When it comes to flamenco, which many foreigners think of as "the" Spanish music, genuine flamenco is a minor thing in Spain today. Partly because of the shallow and tourist oriented "nacionalflamencquismo" of the Franco regime (which can account for much of the flamenco image both abroad and within Spain), and partly because of the widespread predjudices towards the South/Andalucía in general and gitanos in particular.
The best flamenco singers can only hope to sell a few thousand copies of their recordings, but the closely associated and much more accessible copla song style is widely popular also in other parts of Spain as well as in Latin America, making the copla stars national celebrities in Spain. Thus many of the flamenco singers also do their copla recordings. Fabulous Miguel Poveda's (from Barcelona) "Coplas del querer" being one of the most recent and successfull examples. He sold to gold and platina in Spain within a few months and was nominated for the 2009 Latin Grammy.
For those of us who loves flamenco, there is nevertheless no doubt that Poveda is ten times better when singing "the real deal", that is flamenco. And the greatest flamenco singers, guitarists and dancers, despite flamenco being a relatively marinal phenomenon, draws a very knowledgeable, dedicated and passionate crowd all over Spain. Despite the obvious Andalucian origins and roots, Madrid is arguably the flamenco capital of the world today, and also in Barcelona there is a very much alive and kicking flamenco culture. Even up in the North coast, theaters fill when the greatest flamenco performers visit.
And perhaps not so strange: Flamenco is the most powerful cultural expression of this unique mix of Christian, Jewish, Moslem and Gitano culture that makes Spain - with all its diversity - so special.
Here's the trailer to director Carlos Saura's state of the art movie "Flamenco, flamenco" from 2010: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xg2-8Ipvz4
Sep 17th, 2012, 04:59 AM
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Just as a P.S., and slightly off topic:
When you eventually get to Barcelona, it does not hurt to check the local paper or ask your hotel concierge about music events in the city. Besides the big ones like BAM which (I think) always coincides with La Mercè there are often a multitude of smaller events or festivals in the neighborhoods. It can be fun to go there and just listen (usually for free) while having a drink or two.
When you eventually get to Barcelona, it does not hurt to check the local paper or ask your hotel concierge about music events in the city. Besides the big ones like BAM which (I think) always coincides with La Mercè there are often a multitude of smaller events or festivals in the neighborhoods. It can be fun to go there and just listen (usually for free) while having a drink or two.
Sep 17th, 2012, 05:27 AM
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Just a curiosity, there is a kind of popular music developed in Barcelona in the 1950s: the "rumba catalana". Nothing to do with the traditional Catalan music.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_rumba
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_rumba
Sep 17th, 2012, 06:39 AM
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Thanks again everyone!
Cowboy - how about zither music as defining the German culture LOL! Or is that Austrian more than German?
My friend who is going with me is in charge of finding an evening music event. She's more musical than I am but also knows nothing about Spanish music. We'll also check with the TI as we'll be in an apartment.
vespa - I'm going to Barcelona for the architecture and the Palau de la Musica (and the Hospital) are among my top sights as they are on the UNESCO World Heritage List.
I love traveling because I learn new things. I never thought to differentiate between Catalan and Spanish although I did know that there was a difference in the language and culture.
kimhe - thanks for the info on flaminco which I always thought was more dancing than singing. When I think of music from Spain I think of guitar music rather than flaminco.
Cowboy - how about zither music as defining the German culture LOL! Or is that Austrian more than German?
My friend who is going with me is in charge of finding an evening music event. She's more musical than I am but also knows nothing about Spanish music. We'll also check with the TI as we'll be in an apartment.
vespa - I'm going to Barcelona for the architecture and the Palau de la Musica (and the Hospital) are among my top sights as they are on the UNESCO World Heritage List.
I love traveling because I learn new things. I never thought to differentiate between Catalan and Spanish although I did know that there was a difference in the language and culture.
kimhe - thanks for the info on flaminco which I always thought was more dancing than singing. When I think of music from Spain I think of guitar music rather than flaminco.
Sep 17th, 2012, 08:27 AM
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adrienne,
Flamenco is very much guitar music. The essential part of flamenco is singing, then comes the guitar and dance is the "least important" part of the three basic elements of the art form.
The greatest Spanish guitar player is without doubt the flamenco genious Paco de Lucía, one of the finest guitarists in the world: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paco_de_Luc%C3%ADa
In action recently: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZpZ89Lftv4
Vicente Amigo is one of several other brillant flamenco guitarists: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPaPOH-cDxc
And if you want a flamenco song hit, I can't think of anything better than Camarón de la Isla's "Leyenda del tiempo" from 1979. Changed the flamenco scene forever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJLdA5TVpAM
Revulgo,
Rumba catalana originated precisely in the Barcelona gitano flamenco community, and is unthinkable without the old port city Barcelona's close connection to the Carribean and Latin America.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDpIB...eature=related
And I'm very much looking forward to a Spanish guitar concert in Palau de la Música in Barcelona in a few weeks!
Flamenco is very much guitar music. The essential part of flamenco is singing, then comes the guitar and dance is the "least important" part of the three basic elements of the art form.
The greatest Spanish guitar player is without doubt the flamenco genious Paco de Lucía, one of the finest guitarists in the world: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paco_de_Luc%C3%ADa
In action recently: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZpZ89Lftv4
Vicente Amigo is one of several other brillant flamenco guitarists: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPaPOH-cDxc
And if you want a flamenco song hit, I can't think of anything better than Camarón de la Isla's "Leyenda del tiempo" from 1979. Changed the flamenco scene forever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJLdA5TVpAM
Revulgo,
Rumba catalana originated precisely in the Barcelona gitano flamenco community, and is unthinkable without the old port city Barcelona's close connection to the Carribean and Latin America.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDpIB...eature=related
And I'm very much looking forward to a Spanish guitar concert in Palau de la Música in Barcelona in a few weeks!
Sep 17th, 2012, 10:49 AM
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<My friend who is going with me is in charge of finding an evening music event>
You could of course find a lot of things happening in small venues - could easily be the most memorable if you're at the right place at the right time - but you should definitely check out the program at Palau de la Musica on your dates. Lots of chances for mellow Spanish or Catalan music: http://www.palaumusica.org/
You could of course find a lot of things happening in small venues - could easily be the most memorable if you're at the right place at the right time - but you should definitely check out the program at Palau de la Musica on your dates. Lots of chances for mellow Spanish or Catalan music: http://www.palaumusica.org/
Sep 17th, 2012, 11:05 AM
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What does this mean? I can't see the schedule for April but can see the schedule for other months (March, May, etc.).
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Here's the link to the her video! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqVqG2m3DNc
