Southampton or Plymouth ?
Feb 10th, 2009, 10:36 AM
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Southampton or Plymouth ?
DD has been accepted for grad school at the University of Southampton and the University of Plymouth for marine geosciences/oceanography for fall 2009. We are trying to get a trip in to check out both schools but her work schedule is difficult to get off.
I am NOT asking about the programs but more about each city and living there. Thoughts on either of them or if you have vacationed there,etc. Thanks so much!
I am NOT asking about the programs but more about each city and living there. Thoughts on either of them or if you have vacationed there,etc. Thanks so much!
Feb 10th, 2009, 11:09 AM
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I live on the outskirts of Southampton - my dad and his family come from Plymouth but I don't know it very well. Both are reasonable cities - Plymouth possibly having the edge as far as history is concerned, and proximity to Devon and Cornwall (beautiful parts of the UK).
Southampton has the advantage of being closer to more - London, Oxford, Winchester, Salisbury, Portsmouth, Brighton and Bath are all within and hour/75 minutes by train. It is also close to the New Forest.
If all else fails then you can escape the country through the local airport (mainly flights to other UK destinations, Ireland and France). Heathrow is an hours drive.
It is not that I have anything against Southampton itself (Not strictly true, but we won't go into sporting teams and red and white stripes), but it is fairly uninspiring.
The University has quite a good reputation.
Southampton has the advantage of being closer to more - London, Oxford, Winchester, Salisbury, Portsmouth, Brighton and Bath are all within and hour/75 minutes by train. It is also close to the New Forest.
If all else fails then you can escape the country through the local airport (mainly flights to other UK destinations, Ireland and France). Heathrow is an hours drive.
It is not that I have anything against Southampton itself (Not strictly true, but we won't go into sporting teams and red and white stripes), but it is fairly uninspiring.
The University has quite a good reputation.
Feb 11th, 2009, 01:11 PM
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willit has more detailed info for you. I've been to both places several times but only as a visitor.
But I honestly don't think your daughter would regret either choice. Southampton would be more convenient if she plans on spending much time in London or flying to other countries. Plymouth is smack dab in the middle of the glorious scenery of Devon/Cornwall.
But I honestly don't think your daughter would regret either choice. Southampton would be more convenient if she plans on spending much time in London or flying to other countries. Plymouth is smack dab in the middle of the glorious scenery of Devon/Cornwall.
Feb 11th, 2009, 01:20 PM
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Plymouth is probably a slightly nicer area - Southampton was bombed to oblivion in the war, but does have proximity to the New Forest, nice coastline and easyish access to London. Neither have any major negatives that I can think of.
I know you weren't looking for course advice, but FYI, Southampton will probably look better on a CV (its sciences are very well regarded - my ex-employer recruited in preference from there, Bath and Oxbridge). Not that it should really matter, in this day and age - the course content won't be that different after all - but some prejudices die hard, I'm afraid.
I know you weren't looking for course advice, but FYI, Southampton will probably look better on a CV (its sciences are very well regarded - my ex-employer recruited in preference from there, Bath and Oxbridge). Not that it should really matter, in this day and age - the course content won't be that different after all - but some prejudices die hard, I'm afraid.
Feb 11th, 2009, 01:29 PM
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Hi,
Well I live in Eastleigh - same as willit ... Southampton is fine as a university town ... for a student there is a decent nightlife, pubs, resturants.
But as willit states you can get to most places fairly quickly ... Heathrow is about a 1 hour drive & London can quickly be reached by fast train. The New Forest, Salisbury, Dorset, Winchester are all her doorstep.
Plymouth is a naval town with plenty of history ... it is also close to Devon / Cornwall which are beautiful areas of the world.
So I suppose it comes down to what she plans on doing in her spare time .... maybe she knows people in London & will want to visit at weekends ... so Southampton would be better ....
I would recommend Southampton, but I live near there.
Mark
Well I live in Eastleigh - same as willit ... Southampton is fine as a university town ... for a student there is a decent nightlife, pubs, resturants.
But as willit states you can get to most places fairly quickly ... Heathrow is about a 1 hour drive & London can quickly be reached by fast train. The New Forest, Salisbury, Dorset, Winchester are all her doorstep.
Plymouth is a naval town with plenty of history ... it is also close to Devon / Cornwall which are beautiful areas of the world.
So I suppose it comes down to what she plans on doing in her spare time .... maybe she knows people in London & will want to visit at weekends ... so Southampton would be better ....
I would recommend Southampton, but I live near there.
Mark
Feb 11th, 2009, 11:10 PM
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Let's get back to the course itself. Southampton University is a member of the Russell Group - the 20 British universities that regard themselves as the country's top. With some justification: Southampton regularly gets major courses (like medicine) rated more highly than Oxford.
The University of Plymouth is one of those places that provoke from any Briton interested in these things the question "what's it really called?" That doesn't mean its oceanography teaching is lousy: but for all most of us know, it may have been rebranded from the North Devon Petsitters' Academy in the past five years. Obviously, mass British ignorance of Plymouth's possible high oceanographic standing probably doesn't matter - but I'd double check Plymouth's academic housekeeping several times. What's its dropout rate? What's the physical state of its labs etc? How much faculty energy gets diverted into hokey stunts aimed at making money from admitting non-EU students (whom they can charge more)? Higher Education institutes rebranded as universities in the past decade have a poor overall reputation which isn't deserved in most cases - but constitutes good grounds for a great deal of due diligence.
Both Plymouth and Southampton were badly damaged in the Blitz, and in both cities the subsequent redevelopment has probably made things worse. As others have said, Plymouth's surrounded by more striking natural scenery. Southampton's in blander countryside. Southampton's in a far more affluent area and - what's relevant to your daughter, most of that affluence is built on high technology or the maritime industry: one local lobbyist I know claims that 20% of all employment in the area is in marine-related business, which includes some high security Naval establishments. The 023 (the local phone prefix) conurbation is a kind of miniature British marine version of Silicon Valley.
Plymouth's next door to a large naval port, but the city's not a centre of marine technology: it's where sailors come to get pissed if their ship's in Devonport (by which I do NOT mean it's like a Far East R&R place), and it's surrounded by rural Devon, as opposed to Southampton's sprawl - which practically joins up with London's.
Plymouth's a free-standing city: Southampton's the south-western edge of Greater Greater London, with fast trains into Town every few minutes. Southampton's also got terrific train connections to most of England's SE: Plymouth is really out on a limb.
Both being a glorified London suburb and being on the edge of things have their own advantages for a student. But the two are very, very different places.
The University of Plymouth is one of those places that provoke from any Briton interested in these things the question "what's it really called?" That doesn't mean its oceanography teaching is lousy: but for all most of us know, it may have been rebranded from the North Devon Petsitters' Academy in the past five years. Obviously, mass British ignorance of Plymouth's possible high oceanographic standing probably doesn't matter - but I'd double check Plymouth's academic housekeeping several times. What's its dropout rate? What's the physical state of its labs etc? How much faculty energy gets diverted into hokey stunts aimed at making money from admitting non-EU students (whom they can charge more)? Higher Education institutes rebranded as universities in the past decade have a poor overall reputation which isn't deserved in most cases - but constitutes good grounds for a great deal of due diligence.
Both Plymouth and Southampton were badly damaged in the Blitz, and in both cities the subsequent redevelopment has probably made things worse. As others have said, Plymouth's surrounded by more striking natural scenery. Southampton's in blander countryside. Southampton's in a far more affluent area and - what's relevant to your daughter, most of that affluence is built on high technology or the maritime industry: one local lobbyist I know claims that 20% of all employment in the area is in marine-related business, which includes some high security Naval establishments. The 023 (the local phone prefix) conurbation is a kind of miniature British marine version of Silicon Valley.
Plymouth's next door to a large naval port, but the city's not a centre of marine technology: it's where sailors come to get pissed if their ship's in Devonport (by which I do NOT mean it's like a Far East R&R place), and it's surrounded by rural Devon, as opposed to Southampton's sprawl - which practically joins up with London's.
Plymouth's a free-standing city: Southampton's the south-western edge of Greater Greater London, with fast trains into Town every few minutes. Southampton's also got terrific train connections to most of England's SE: Plymouth is really out on a limb.
Both being a glorified London suburb and being on the edge of things have their own advantages for a student. But the two are very, very different places.
Feb 12th, 2009, 02:37 AM
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Plymouth's work on marine life is world renowned, Southampton barely appears in my experience.
Plymouth is in the middle of nowhere (if that is what you want great)
Southampton has the better sailing and is a bigger city near bigger cities
Plymouth is in the middle of nowhere (if that is what you want great)
Southampton has the better sailing and is a bigger city near bigger cities
Feb 12th, 2009, 03:17 AM
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I have no knowledge of the comparative merits of the schools (which the OP specifically did not ask about), but several sites list the National Oceanography centre in Southampton as one of the worlds leading institutes.
Feb 12th, 2009, 08:20 AM
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hi dutyfree,
most unis in the UK have web-sites on which prospective students can get in touch with existing ones to find out the answers to [most of] their questions.
that might be a way to go for your daughter.
also, the entry requirements for each course can tell you a lot - generally the higher the requirements, the more respected the course.
my DD has a number of friends at uni in Plymouth [which is not too far from where we live in Cornwall and therefore comfortably near home for these cornish country mice!] and they all seem to love it there. I'm not that fond of it, but then, I'm not a 20 somthing sutdent!
good luck to your daughter,
regards, ann
most unis in the UK have web-sites on which prospective students can get in touch with existing ones to find out the answers to [most of] their questions.
that might be a way to go for your daughter.
also, the entry requirements for each course can tell you a lot - generally the higher the requirements, the more respected the course.
my DD has a number of friends at uni in Plymouth [which is not too far from where we live in Cornwall and therefore comfortably near home for these cornish country mice!] and they all seem to love it there. I'm not that fond of it, but then, I'm not a 20 somthing sutdent!
good luck to your daughter,
regards, ann
Feb 12th, 2009, 09:22 AM
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I haven't the foggiest about Plymouth so can't really offer a comparison, but one thing I would check is where she would be based in Southampton.
The University is huge and spread all round the city. Some bits are of the city are nicer than others (although nowhere in Southampton could really be described as anything other than bland).
The University is huge and spread all round the city. Some bits are of the city are nicer than others (although nowhere in Southampton could really be described as anything other than bland).
Feb 12th, 2009, 10:44 AM
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There are two Universities in Southampton. Which one is your daughter considering?
One is the University of Southampton
www.soton.ac.uk
which is the old 'proper' university.
The other is Southampton Solent University
www.solent.ac.uk
which is the old polytechnic, and is therefore a 'new' university.
There is still a degree of 'snob appeal' over here as to whether one (or one's offspring) attended a proper University which still persists, even though many new Universities are much better than some of the old ones! Flanner and RM67 said the same thing in more tactful terms.
Incidentally, my daughter has been offered a place at Southampton Solent for next September - it will be her second choice after Manchester Metropolitan (as opposed to Manchester University) LOL!
One is the University of Southampton
www.soton.ac.uk
which is the old 'proper' university.
The other is Southampton Solent University
www.solent.ac.uk
which is the old polytechnic, and is therefore a 'new' university.
There is still a degree of 'snob appeal' over here as to whether one (or one's offspring) attended a proper University which still persists, even though many new Universities are much better than some of the old ones! Flanner and RM67 said the same thing in more tactful terms.
Incidentally, my daughter has been offered a place at Southampton Solent for next September - it will be her second choice after Manchester Metropolitan (as opposed to Manchester University) LOL!
Feb 13th, 2009, 04:01 AM
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My reaction was the same as flanner's - what is this 'University of Plymouth' really ? And it seems it's the Polytechnic of the South West, which I have to say I'd never heard of either. Southamption is, as flanner also says, one of the country's top universities.
Aside from that, I agree with those who say that Plymouth is physically out on a limb and Southampton would be a better base for a student in terms of big city life and access to the rest of the UK and the Continent.
Aside from that, I agree with those who say that Plymouth is physically out on a limb and Southampton would be a better base for a student in terms of big city life and access to the rest of the UK and the Continent.
Feb 13th, 2009, 04:39 PM
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My DD is very pleased to hear that Southampton has a good reputation from all of you-now she just has to wait for some other schools to let her know if she has been accepted.
Do keep any thoughts coming as they are greatly appreciated!
Do keep any thoughts coming as they are greatly appreciated!
Feb 25th, 2009, 10:47 AM
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I've worked for quite a while in the University of Southampton, and with close links to the University in Plymouth. I would say flanneruk has it spot on. Neither place is beautiful, as a result of bombing, though each has one or two remnants worthy of note. Plymouth may be known for marine biology but Southampton is definitely the one for oceanography. Southampton has very much better links to the wider world.
