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Old Sep 19th, 2014, 12:17 AM
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Scotland Votes "No"

Now that Scotland has voted by around 55/45 to stay in the Union, will Salmond feel that that he ought to resign over the issue, or will his ego prevent it?
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Old Sep 19th, 2014, 01:03 AM
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This was like a child threatening to run away from home until they realized they must do their own laundry. It will only encourage the patriarchal English, as if they needed encouragement, and highlight the need for dependence for the Scots.
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Old Sep 19th, 2014, 04:16 AM
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but Scotland won - will get even more autonomy and England loses - the English will be the only constituent part of the UK not to have autonomy over their own things like Scotland does and will more and Wales has...

poor English, losers again.

Why is there not autonomy for England? that is the question that will gain traction as the English sooner or later start to demand their own autonomy just like the Scots has.

Scotland wins!
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Old Sep 19th, 2014, 04:18 AM
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Common sense has won.
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Old Sep 19th, 2014, 04:40 AM
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Cameron has said that England will get similar benefits following the vote. It will follow a similar timetable to the Scottish one.
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Old Sep 19th, 2014, 05:01 AM
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As long as Scotland gets similar benefits. I heard one women who works for a research foundation say she was afraid their grants would be cut off since they originate out of London. Change will come hopefully and healing must begin.
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Old Sep 19th, 2014, 05:06 AM
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I think a great deal depends on which figures you are looking at. Certainly most suggest that the average Welshman does far less well out of being part of the UK than the average Scot - and the promises made to Scotland by the No campaign may increase that discrepancy.
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Old Sep 19th, 2014, 06:11 AM
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AS in this thread, there will obviously be a lot of rationalization going on so that everyone's opinion turns out to be the correct one.
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Old Sep 19th, 2014, 07:10 AM
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When you have a 84.6% turnout of voters you have in fact got a REAL indication of the will of the majority. That is very signifigant for all of the UK. In most elections/votes where you have less than 50% of the total electorate actually voting, you do not know the real will of the majority, only of the majority of those who bothered to vote.

This referendum has opened the eyes of many people in all parts of the UK including England to just how messed up their form of government really is. Why should an MP from Scotland sitting in the Westminster Parliament be voting on something that only affects England? That question has been asked before and is known as the 'West Lothian question'. But now it has become far more prominent.

Cameron in his speech this morning clearly indicated that ALL parts of the UK and their autonomy must be addressed. What's more, a specific timetable to do that has been given.

The time between now and January 15th when a 'white paper' is to be published is going to be a very interesting time indeed in UK politics.

Another factor to watch is how the SNP behave between now and then. Are they going to sit back and wait for Westminster to come to them with a proposal which they then predictably say is not sufficient or are they going to actively particate around the table with Westminster to arrive at a proposal which they then endorse? See the difference? That, I think is worth watching. To me it will indicate whether the SNP want to play politics or want to work to achieve results everyone can be happy with. I noticed that both Salmond and his deputy Nicola Sturgeon avoided answering that question.

What is very clear is that it will not be back to 'business as usual'.
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Old Sep 19th, 2014, 07:15 AM
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Interesting discussion.
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Old Sep 19th, 2014, 08:05 AM
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Alex Salmond is to resign as leader of the SNP.
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Old Sep 19th, 2014, 08:15 AM
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Don't really see what alternative he had, having nailed his colours to this mast. His credibility has taken an irreparable blow.
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Old Sep 19th, 2014, 08:49 AM
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The only way for the SNP is down. Salmond knows that and would prefer to be a (typically) tragic Scottish hero than a failure by staying too long.

Having said that - I wouldn't be surprised if he decides to go back to Westminster as a MP.
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Old Sep 19th, 2014, 08:52 AM
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Really? Salmond is doing what British politicians still do and Americans lack the integrity to do: step down after the failure of a signature policy. There's still some honor on the far side of the Atlantic.
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Old Sep 19th, 2014, 08:58 AM
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>>His credibility has taken an irreparable blow.
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Old Sep 19th, 2014, 09:08 AM
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It's not just a question of honour - there's also the simple question of future electoral credibility. He might think the issue is off the agenda for a while, but with such a substantial minority of voters clearly ready to vote for independence on his somewhat hokey expectations and early follow-up polling suggesting the first-time voters and youngest voters most likely to do so, a younger generation of leaders will think it worth another try with a better case later.

For much the same reason, Cameron's position is not necessarily enhanced by the No vote, and the prospect of another ad hoc fudge over additional devolved powers may well only make things worse for him among his back-benchers. I don't think there will be back-pedalling in relation to Scotland - that would be too transparent, but the England question simply cannot be avoided any longer.

Coincidentally, there is a parliamentary consultation going on (not that many have actually noticed) on whether we should have a written constitution or not..........
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Old Sep 19th, 2014, 09:14 AM
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I think the Scottish people should be very proud of the civilized way the whole event took place. Apart from the large number of hangovers caused by the fact that the pubs stayed open until 6.00am, the country seemed to get back to work almost as if nothing had happened. I wonder what other country could get 85% of their population to vote.
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Old Sep 19th, 2014, 10:01 AM
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Officially, the USSR always did.
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Old Sep 19th, 2014, 10:16 AM
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I thought the USSR had 100%!

"We will see how Miliband and Cameron's credibility is viewed by the public as they now attempt a shabby back-peddle on their pre-Referendum "vows" (aka bribe)."

LOL!
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Old Sep 19th, 2014, 10:20 AM
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Very impressive turnout numbers. We have such poor turnout for elections in America but everyone loves to moan about the POTUS.
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