Paris Vacation Rentals in 2015
Aug 4th, 2015, 02:14 PM
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Yes, I am repeating myself.
However, companies like Airbnb are working with Paris city officials to resolve issues.
But some refuse to acknowledge ongoing conversations with Airbnb and Paris city officials.
Not a problem for me, but I THINK that city officials, knowing that Airbnb has close to 40,000 apartment in Paris, does bring in revenue to merchants.
They now have to solve the tax issue.
However, companies like Airbnb are working with Paris city officials to resolve issues.
But some refuse to acknowledge ongoing conversations with Airbnb and Paris city officials.
Not a problem for me, but I THINK that city officials, knowing that Airbnb has close to 40,000 apartment in Paris, does bring in revenue to merchants.
They now have to solve the tax issue.
Aug 4th, 2015, 02:28 PM
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It seems to me that brubenow has done quite a bit of research re her apartment rental. It is certainly possible that Paris Perfect is not being truthful re the legality of the apartment but, what if they are not lying? Surely there are some legal apartments out there. She has asked for assurance that they are legal and that they will relocate her or refund her money if there are problems. What more should non-French speakers do if wanting an apartment stay?
I would hate to be a person complying with the law and have anyone ask about my apartment on Fodors.
I would hate to be a person complying with the law and have anyone ask about my apartment on Fodors.
Aug 4th, 2015, 10:34 PM
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iris - what statistics have you come up with? All you - and other people who are pro-apartment-and-the-neighborhood-be-damned - have to say is what a fabulous experience you have every time you rent. Of course, you are all entitled to your opinions, but many people are more interested in the facts of the situation.
Will you be around to help people whose rentals fall through at the last minute? Will you be on hand to help them when they can't reach the owner/manager and the plumbing/elevator/wifi is on the fritz? Will you be there when the Mayor's agents knock on the door to inquire who is living there? Of course you won't. Don't assume responsibility for something you cannot provide, which is the assurance that someone else's trip will go as well as yours has in the past .
People who live in Paris have been affected adversely. This is why the Mayor is taking action. The statistics, legal reports etc are all here for anyone interested in actually reading them - instead of just reacting in a knee-jerk fashion to news they do not like. Perhaps you own rental property, or know someone who does, and stand to lose business when people report facts? Perhaps you are afraid that "your" rental won't be available next time you visit Paris?
According to the Mayor's survey of online apartment listings, there are more short-term rental apartments being advertised in the Marais (3rd and 4th arrondissements combined) than there are actual full-time residents. That's the crux of the problem, right there.
sarastro - I cannot access the information, either. I have had the same trouble with a couple of other rental sites, too. I agree that it has to do with some form of geo-localisation.
kerouac - This is absolutely correct. Neither the agency nor manager is liable for anything whatsoever. They can provide all sorts of paperwork stating that they are in compliance with any and all regulations, but that doesn't matter at all. Only the property owner is required to conform to the law. Unfortunately, owners use agencies and managers to avoid being in contact with clients. If an owner handles the rentals himself, you have no way of knowing if what he tells you is the truth.
Will you be around to help people whose rentals fall through at the last minute? Will you be on hand to help them when they can't reach the owner/manager and the plumbing/elevator/wifi is on the fritz? Will you be there when the Mayor's agents knock on the door to inquire who is living there? Of course you won't. Don't assume responsibility for something you cannot provide, which is the assurance that someone else's trip will go as well as yours has in the past .
People who live in Paris have been affected adversely. This is why the Mayor is taking action. The statistics, legal reports etc are all here for anyone interested in actually reading them - instead of just reacting in a knee-jerk fashion to news they do not like. Perhaps you own rental property, or know someone who does, and stand to lose business when people report facts? Perhaps you are afraid that "your" rental won't be available next time you visit Paris?
According to the Mayor's survey of online apartment listings, there are more short-term rental apartments being advertised in the Marais (3rd and 4th arrondissements combined) than there are actual full-time residents. That's the crux of the problem, right there.
sarastro - I cannot access the information, either. I have had the same trouble with a couple of other rental sites, too. I agree that it has to do with some form of geo-localisation.
kerouac - This is absolutely correct. Neither the agency nor manager is liable for anything whatsoever. They can provide all sorts of paperwork stating that they are in compliance with any and all regulations, but that doesn't matter at all. Only the property owner is required to conform to the law. Unfortunately, owners use agencies and managers to avoid being in contact with clients. If an owner handles the rentals himself, you have no way of knowing if what he tells you is the truth.
Aug 4th, 2015, 10:38 PM
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Judy - if you are a person complying with the law, you would have nothing to fear, regardless of where you mentioned your apartment.
Of course, according to the Mayor's estimates, there are only approximately 600 apartments in the 20 arrondissements of Paris which meet the legal criteria for short-term rentals. The other 30,000 which are listed online do not.
Of course, according to the Mayor's estimates, there are only approximately 600 apartments in the 20 arrondissements of Paris which meet the legal criteria for short-term rentals. The other 30,000 which are listed online do not.
Aug 5th, 2015, 07:20 AM
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Don't mean to hijack this thread, but I'm looking to connect with Stu Dudley. DH & I will be in Paris first week in October (yes, in a Paris Perfect apartment) and would love to arrange to meet.
As for the very hot topic of Paris vacation apartment rentals, we've been renting nearly yearly since 2003: sometimes from individual owners, sometimes from agencies. Given the current rental climate in Paris, I am much more leery to rent from an individual owner. Nothing in life is a guarantee, but I feel that a large reputable agency will serve the short-term vacation renter better at this time - at least this renter! Guess we'll just have to see how it all unfolds over the coming years....
As for the very hot topic of Paris vacation apartment rentals, we've been renting nearly yearly since 2003: sometimes from individual owners, sometimes from agencies. Given the current rental climate in Paris, I am much more leery to rent from an individual owner. Nothing in life is a guarantee, but I feel that a large reputable agency will serve the short-term vacation renter better at this time - at least this renter! Guess we'll just have to see how it all unfolds over the coming years....
Aug 5th, 2015, 07:27 AM
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Aug 5th, 2015, 07:32 AM
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There have been several links to factual information - within this very thread - which have been provided by other posters. Perhaps in your haste to condemn anyone who does not agree with you, you have overlooked them.
In addition, I and other interested Fodorites have posted links to similar factual information on many other threads regarding this topic.
I simply see no need to repeat this information for people who obviously have no inclination to read it in the first place.
In addition, I and other interested Fodorites have posted links to similar factual information on many other threads regarding this topic.
I simply see no need to repeat this information for people who obviously have no inclination to read it in the first place.
Aug 5th, 2015, 07:56 AM
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Indeed Manouche, but we post for people who might have no clue as to the situation.
People like you, me, Iris know or should know about it.
We then make or choices, taking into consideration or rejecting information as we choose fit.
Unaware posters haven't got this opportunity.
People like you, me, Iris know or should know about it.
We then make or choices, taking into consideration or rejecting information as we choose fit.
Unaware posters haven't got this opportunity.
Aug 5th, 2015, 08:33 AM
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I wish just ONE person who has had their apartment pulled at the last moment, due to the crackdown, would post their experience.
Because really, all we're hearing are "reports" from over-zealous ex-pats beating their chests, purporting to be experts when they are not.
Because really, all we're hearing are "reports" from over-zealous ex-pats beating their chests, purporting to be experts when they are not.
Aug 5th, 2015, 08:44 AM
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People have reported on travel forums that their apartments have been cancelled at the last minute - from AirBnB, VRBO, as well as the "usual reputable rental agencies". It's also there on other review sites - again, for those who care to look.
And the response is always: "Oh - ONE rental! Big deal!"
But when it happens to someone - especially someone with a family or other special needs - it's no picnic.
Do you really expect an owner or agency to admit that their property was pulled because they were doing something that is against the law in Paris?
And the response is always: "Oh - ONE rental! Big deal!"
But when it happens to someone - especially someone with a family or other special needs - it's no picnic.
Do you really expect an owner or agency to admit that their property was pulled because they were doing something that is against the law in Paris?
Aug 5th, 2015, 09:44 AM
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<i>all we're hearing are "reports" from over-zealous ex-pats beating their chests, purporting to be experts when they are not.</i>
No one is claiming to be an expert. There are simply those who read the local newspapers and watch the local newscasts and there are those who live elsewhere, who have their minds up and no amount of updated information will change their opinions.
No one is claiming to be an expert. There are simply those who read the local newspapers and watch the local newscasts and there are those who live elsewhere, who have their minds up and no amount of updated information will change their opinions.
Aug 5th, 2015, 10:04 AM
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Quite a few people have posted about their apartments being cancelled very late. Luckily, a number of them had rented through agencies that were able to provide another apartment. The cancellations are always due to "plumbing problems" or "renovation" or whatever. Nobody is ever going to admit "I am cancelling your reservation because I was caught red-handed renting illegally on the last rental."
Aug 5th, 2015, 10:23 AM
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There have always been apartments pulled at the last minute for those plumbing problems. It's never happened to me, but I've read about them for years.
I've had no personal experience with airbnb, but wouldn't rent with them anyway, so I have no idea whether there are more or less cancellations than before with them.
What I haven't heard are the dire reports certain posters are claiming. I'm not saying there isn't a crackdown. I'm not saying the rental landscape hasn't changed.
What I AM saying is that the incidence of cancellations doesn't affect the VAST majority of people and the scaremongering continues here as it did on TA.
And as far as the claims of a housing shortage in Paris being blamed on the number of rentals, that's a dubious claim, at best. But I suppose it does further the cause of the chest-beaters so it must be believed.
I've had no personal experience with airbnb, but wouldn't rent with them anyway, so I have no idea whether there are more or less cancellations than before with them.
What I haven't heard are the dire reports certain posters are claiming. I'm not saying there isn't a crackdown. I'm not saying the rental landscape hasn't changed.
What I AM saying is that the incidence of cancellations doesn't affect the VAST majority of people and the scaremongering continues here as it did on TA.
And as far as the claims of a housing shortage in Paris being blamed on the number of rentals, that's a dubious claim, at best. But I suppose it does further the cause of the chest-beaters so it must be believed.
Aug 5th, 2015, 10:57 AM
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<those that live elsewhere, who have there minds mad up, no amount of updated information will change there minds>
WHAT UPDATED INFORMATION???
<quite a few people have posted about their apartments being cancelled very late>
OK, how many have been cancelled very late??
Let's see, Airbnb has upwards of 40,000 apartments in Paris.
How many of their apartments have been cancelled at the last minute??
All these generalizations mean nothing.
As for web sites posted, these same people know I have posted web sites that say the city of Paris is working with companies like Airbnb to resolve any problems.
Someone is keeping their head in the sand. I wonder who??
WHAT UPDATED INFORMATION???
<quite a few people have posted about their apartments being cancelled very late>
OK, how many have been cancelled very late??
Let's see, Airbnb has upwards of 40,000 apartments in Paris.
How many of their apartments have been cancelled at the last minute??
All these generalizations mean nothing.
As for web sites posted, these same people know I have posted web sites that say the city of Paris is working with companies like Airbnb to resolve any problems.
Someone is keeping their head in the sand. I wonder who??
Aug 5th, 2015, 04:08 PM
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City of Paris is working with Airbnb...
What does it mean ?
Like : 'US is working with Iran to stop the nuclear program' ?
Or you have something more concrete ?
This just means nothing, Iris.
No generalizations.
National (French) newspapers telling authorities are checking, increasing checks and fining owners.
But I suppose untill it is posted in Washington post or mailed it to you, this will remain generalities.
I wonder who wants to put people's heads in the sand too.
What does it mean ?
Like : 'US is working with Iran to stop the nuclear program' ?
Or you have something more concrete ?
This just means nothing, Iris.
No generalizations.
National (French) newspapers telling authorities are checking, increasing checks and fining owners.
But I suppose untill it is posted in Washington post or mailed it to you, this will remain generalities.
I wonder who wants to put people's heads in the sand too.
Sep 8th, 2015, 08:38 PM
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I am amazed to find this information by chance! I get the gist that if you are visiting Paris, you should stay in a hotel. But if, for whatever reason, you would prefer an apartment, how would you know of these restrictions? Just googling Paris rental apartments gives a bunch of rental websites but nothing with the warnings/caveats that it might be an illegal rental.
