Paris tipping hotel maids

Old Jul 27th, 2015, 09:39 AM
  #61  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 861
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
>Oh lordy (!) you don't know what you just started. . .

janisj - Truer words were never spoken.
traveler2005 is offline  
Old Jul 27th, 2015, 09:50 AM
  #62  
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 1,713
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Allez ok.
I had moeten zwijgen, maar gesprekken over tips...
Dus doe zoals je wilt, en ik doe hetzelfde.
Je tipt, ik niet, je spreekt engels, ik vlaams.
Zo is het toch dan perfekt.
mvg.
pariswat is offline  
Old Jul 27th, 2015, 10:03 AM
  #63  
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 17,801
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
<Is there anyone here who believes some of this made up garbage people come up with here?>
I hope not. Lots of posing and twaddle, as usual.

Justine, I do not tip for bad service. I also can't remember the last time I received bad service in the US--truly. I also don't pity servers (or waiters, as you prefer). I know that beacuse tipping is so ingrained in the US, they end up making

I wish I could say the same for Europe. Perhaps the waiter in Cologne who ignored us for half an hour was afraid we would try to tip him and therefore stayed away. Who knows? I don't actually think tipping, or the absence of it, is the issue when bad service happens, or doesn't.
NewbE is offline  
Old Jul 27th, 2015, 10:04 AM
  #64  
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 17,801
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Sorry for the sentence fragment! I meant to delete the whole thing.
NewbE is offline  
Old Jul 27th, 2015, 10:43 AM
  #65  
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 23,813
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 1 Post
As well you should have!
kerouac is offline  
Old Jul 27th, 2015, 11:06 AM
  #66  
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 1,713
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The two last comments are the best.
Sorry , I got carried away.
I will behave better in future.
Quoique ....
pariswat is offline  
Old Jul 27th, 2015, 11:37 AM
  #67  
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 78,320
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
pariswat is Belgian I think.
PalenQ is offline  
Old Jul 27th, 2015, 11:56 AM
  #68  
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 23,813
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 1 Post
I certainly understand why you are disappointed with Europe, NewbE. Frankly, it is not a problem for me.

Perhaps your use of the word "obsessed" should be reversed and sent back to you since you do not accept European customs, though. It is particularly distressing when one person feels that he should transform Europe into a culture that suits his own opinion rather than accepting that mores are variable around the planet.
kerouac is offline  
Old Jul 27th, 2015, 12:11 PM
  #69  
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 5,090
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Vincenzo wins.
Trophywife007 is online now  
Old Jul 27th, 2015, 12:12 PM
  #70  
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 1,713
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Such nice comments.
pariswat is offline  
Old Jul 27th, 2015, 12:24 PM
  #71  
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 2,893
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
<i><font color=#555555>"no hotel in France could receive a 3, 4 or 5 star rating if it does not have an elevator."</font></i>

Unfortunately, you're wrong. Even though you pose on this board as an authority on all things French, some of us know better.

I recently stayed at a fabulous and famous 4-star boutique property in France for a business trip. They are not permitted to install an elevator because of the regulations protecting their building's historical status. This regulation applies to many hotels across France and throughout Europe.

Now, in fairness, my hotel did offer porter service, and my party did not have to ask for it. Since several of our rooms were on the 3rd floor, with breathtaking views, we appreciated not having to schlep heavy bags after an overnight flight up four flights of ancient stone stairs. Our porter had no difficulty accepting our gratuity, and we were very grateful for his energy and his service.

Speaking of tipping, I left a 5€ gratuity on my bed for my housekeeper, but it was there on my nightstand when I had returned to my room. Later in the day, over lunch, I asked the hotel manager if they had a no-tipping policy, and she said, of course not.

"All staff members are permitted to receive tips, they are always appreciated, but members of housekeeping are not permitted to take money left on any surface in the rooms, unless the room is scheduled for check-out," which mine was not.

I explained that I figured as much, so I went down to the lobby desk and asked for a gratuity envelope. All they had were business envelopes for standard business letters. Since my conversation with the hotel manager was about service, I told her that some hotels offer small gratuity envelopes in each room, and they also offer small placards in the room identifying the housekeeper by name. I told her, as a customer who cares about high quality service, I sincerely appreciate a hotel who makes it easy for me to give a gratuity in a tasteful, considerate manner. I also appreciate writing the name of the recipient on the envelope, especially if I'm not in the room when the person arrives or leaves to introduce myself. The hotel manager said my idea was perfect and that she would institute it immediately.

<i><font color=#555555>"I love the term "hospitality business" -- so hypocritical! In a true condition of hospitality, nobody has to bribe people to do things."</font></i>

Hospitality to strangers, especially those conducting business, is a business, so I fail to see any hypocrisy. The comment is silly. And given how you feel about vacation rentals in France, I'm not surprised you view gratuities as a "bribe."
NYCFoodSnob is offline  
Old Jul 27th, 2015, 01:42 PM
  #72  
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 3,212
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
<< Upper class families would tip the serving staff of a host family they visited. Then we had huge hang ups as to where we were placed in society.
Now we don't.
We don't feel a need to condascend somebody cleaning our room with a e5 tip.>>

And that is exactly why tipping is often considered humiliating.
MyriamC is offline  
Old Jul 27th, 2015, 02:02 PM
  #73  
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 5,090
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Why is tipping condescending? I don't necessarily feel the need to tip hotel maids but when someone goes out of their way for me, something beyond what they needed to do, it's nice to give them "thanks" for their trouble... like telling the bartender something like "plus one for yourself." It's a friendly gesture. Nothing more.

Americans generally are not the ones obsessed with who belongs to upper or lower classes. At some point most of us work for a living and know that we like receiving appreciation for what we do.
Trophywife007 is online now  
Old Jul 27th, 2015, 02:04 PM
  #74  
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 5,090
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Lol, Vincenzo. Bada bing!
Trophywife007 is online now  
Old Jul 27th, 2015, 02:12 PM
  #75  
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 36,842
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Frankly when someone doesn't tip because it would be "humiliating" for the recipient, it just seems like trying to justify being cheap. When is the last time you heard someone say "I wish I didn't have to accept tips. I'd be so much prouder if I only made half as much as I do"? Especially in a culture where tipping is the norm, the idea that tips are humiliating is beyond absurd.
NeoPatrick is offline  
Old Jul 27th, 2015, 02:16 PM
  #76  
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 26,390
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Finally! This is the type of kerfuffle I expect to see in a what-to-do/what-to-wear and what-to-tip thread.

Loads of fun.
LSky is offline  
Old Jul 27th, 2015, 02:54 PM
  #77  
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 23,813
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 1 Post
I think that I should be tipped for being an exemplary customer (using toilet brush, etc.), but for some reason it does not seem to happen.

Somebody needs to explain to me how the world works, since a lot of the employees of the places I visit have more revenue than I have.
kerouac is offline  
Old Jul 27th, 2015, 03:00 PM
  #78  
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 7,561
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I try not to tip the maids - they seem to work better when they are completely balanced on their own accord.

As for this - someone's cabbie has never dealt with Russians or any non-anglosphere tourists.

<<I was discussing with my taxi driver today and asked her who were the worst tourists in her trade.
Answer :
No let's start with the best tourists :
- the Brits : cool, never complaining
Now the worst :
- the US citizens>>
BigRuss is offline  
Old Jul 27th, 2015, 04:38 PM
  #79  
kja
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 23,186
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Do any of you tip the cabin crew on your flights? I don’t. I say “thank you” when it is merited, as it almost always is. But no matter whether the flight is domestic or international, or where the flight begins or ends, I don’t tip – it isn’t expected and it is not part of the societally sanctioned pay or tax structure for flight attendants. And even though I don't tip, I almost always get professional, courteous service – as expected. So again, it’s actually easy: tip (and tip appropriately) when tipping is the norm. Don’t tip when it isn’t.

And in case some of you never saw it or would like the reminder, here’s one of my all time favorite Fodor’s threads: Enjoy!
http://www.fodors.com/community/euro...-the-pilot.cfm
kja is offline  
Old Jul 27th, 2015, 06:58 PM
  #80  
kja
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 23,186
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Oh, and @ sugarmaple: You are right on target here -- kudos! I'm raising my glass to you. Thanks for the occasion!
kja is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Manage Preferences Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Your Privacy Choices -