Whoever buys that apartment will have a hell of a time heating the 5 meter cathedral ceiling...
"Internationally renowned architects" are frequently mentioned to sell property. Normally, architects are required to make changes to building structures - internationally renowned, or not.

Seems I am giving you a rest.
My comments get all deleted.

I have zero interest in engaging in the current, overheated discussions about moderation, whether voluntary, involuntary, secret or even techno-magical, but I was under the impression that political posts belonged in the Lounge, not on the travel boards. WoinParis' last post was not only purely political, it had nothing to do with the topic, so why the surprise that it was deleted?

Although I agree there seem to be two more more posts that might should go, too. Maybe WoinParis should triangle himself.

Why should anyone triangle anything? Let the Secret Mods earn their pay, lol.

Bad moderation is bad moderation, whoever is doing it.

But please don't police all the life out of these boards! I am reading the Europe board for information, but the off topic posts are the ones keeping me from falling dead asleep in the process.

Well, back to the original question "Is ParisPerfect Legal?"

It does appear - though the multiple owners are being very cagey about it - that a bunch of wealthy investors bought up a decaying hotel on Place Dauphine and are using it as a time-share.

The owners and their friends may spend time in the apartments, and they are otherwise rented out during the year.

Unless the multiple owners have applied for a hotel license, and all this entails, it would appear to be an illegal rental.

If the multiple owners did secure the rights to the existing hotel license, it would appear to be a legal hotel.

Nobody will ever know.

Is Paris Perfect legal?

Yes.

Only Stududley's comments got deleted.

Nope - Woin's were deleted also.

Stu Dudley

"Unless the multiple owners have applied for a hotel license, and all this entails, it would appear to be an illegal rental.
If the multiple owners did secure the rights to the existing hotel license, it would appear to be a legal hotel.
Nobody will ever know."

I wondering, though, since they would have had to renovate extensively, this would have involved some kind of historical preservation group, not to mention city licenses in order to perform the work, etc. It's not as if this is under the radar. Surely they must have had approval from the city? Or, someone is deliberately looking the other way?

@cafegoddess - proof?

Reading their website suggests the opposite.

There is an entire video available where the owners thank all the city planners, architects, workers, etc who were involved in the project. Here is a video from when they started the project & obtained approval from all the city people they needed to get approval from - except from a "citizens group". This video is on their web site - so it's not "under the radar".

https://www.parisperfect.com/our-vid...-episode-2.php

Stu Dudley

I'm not talking about that specific project, they are advertising other properties, and inviting additions.

She told us to our face that their apartments are legal, and also in a later letter to both me & denisea (another frequent Fodors poster) that their apts are all legal. It took them quite a bit of work to do so. Much of it involved zoning. She can't understand why Adrian Leeds has not taken similar efforts & actions to make all of her units legal. I believe her - we have their Champagne Apt reserved for 3 weeks next year.

Stu Dudley

How can they be legal? Do the owners of their apartments all live in them for the required number of months a year?

Aren't they supposed to have registration numbers if they are legal?

From the owners when I asked them "are Paris Perfect apartments legal?

"The purchase of zoning has been a huge effort carried out by the owners who required it. And of course 25placedauphine was a hotel originally so it has always had commercial zoning. The apartments we manage are among the 600 apartments the Mairie has approved. The process has been complicated as we started it in 2011 -- but every apartment that required it has been approved. We can show the approval seals, but no, we don’t wish to share our research and knowledge which was very hard earned."

We depart for France tomorrow - so this is all you'll hear from me until I get back home in July.

Stu Dudley

Perhaps it warrants repeating that there are two types of apartments which may legally be rented short term:

1. those offered by the owner/resident for a period not to exceed 120 days a year.

2. those which have met a list of very rigorous requirements as set forth by the government.

Paris Perfect apparently states that there are some 600 apartments currently listed under category 2 above. However, the City of Paris´ website lists only 125 of these units as of May 13, 2017. Here are the city´s numbers:

http://tinyurl.com/legal-apartments

To qualify an apartment under category 2 is very costly as it requires obtaining commercial property and converting it into long term rental use at a ratio of 2 square meters of long term rental space created for each square meter of space approved for short term rental use. Category 2 apartments are probably quite expensive to rent as they are very costly to create.

As of October of this year, residents offering their personal apartments under the rules of category 1 must obtain a registration number from the city. This number must be displayed on any advertisement. Airbnb has not only promised their full compliance with this law, they have modified their booking software to track and to limit the rental of individual apartments to a maximum of 120 days a year.

Airbnb will continue to have a strong presence in the short term rental market in Paris. What is not clear is how many of their reported 60,000 rental units will still be available and listed on their website by the end of this year.

@ StuDudly

Is the Champagne in the same building as the St. Julian? We stayed in the latter last December and loved it but we're eyeing up Champagne for a future visit. We loved that area and are eager to return. Please let us know how it goes!

Champagne is on the corner of R St Dominique and Ave de la Bourdonnais. This will be our 5th stay in Champagne.

Stu Dudley

I remember staying at apts in Paris in the 90s.

Also apartments in NYC about 12 years ago.

Now $400 a night hotel rooms are common and they're not even that special.

Graft and corruption is alive and well.

So you must like it very much. The views from it look spectacular. The view from St. Julien (4th floor of that blgd.) looked back over Champs du Mars. The bathroom had double sinks which are very handy for us.

Happy travels on your upcoming trip!