JAMH

I don't know that PP cheats the government because they probably pay all taxes, due and are a legal business. That is until the law changes and makes it illegal for agencies to list illegally rented apartments. But I think that the reason people don't like Adrian Leeds or fell less sympathy for her is because she is abrasive (and yes I have met her and done business with her) and has said some questionable, maybe even offensive, things in defense of her business while the owners of Paris Perfect are gracious people (and yes I have dealt with them as well). In the end, if the amendments to the law passes, both PP and AL will have major problems with their businesses but more people will have sympathy for the owners of PP.

fuzzbucket

StuDudley - your friends confirmed what I stated - unless they have conformed to the criteria which defines legal short-term rentals, their apartments are illegal.

There are 6 illegal short-term rentals in my apartment building. All of them are listed on multiple websites - ParisAttitude, ParisBestLodge, Lodgis, Halldis, ParisStay, GlamourApartments, AirBnB, VRBO/Arbitel/HomeAway. The people who come to stay here are not respectful of this residential building's regulations - loud parties and noise after 10 PM, nuisance (condoms and cigarettes thrown out the windows into the courtyard, kitchen trash left in the hallways), damaging the elevator and the common areas.

I belong to the group of residents who have met and spoken with the managers of the first 3 agencies - they are well-bred, attractive, and polite to their guests - but they instruct their guests not to speak to anyone, don't hand out "house manuals" and don't give a rat's ass about the rest of the people who have to put up with the constant aggravation. They are only interested in making money, and they make this abundantly clear. Our group has met with the Mayor's office and Ian Brossat, who stated that they have been trying to reach the foreign investors who own these apartments (and many others in Paris), but they have not returned calls or answered correspondence.

Lois2

Interesting post and first hand perspective from fuzz bucket ...I cannot imagine living in a building and not really having a clue who is in the next apartment..the constant noise..move ins and out etc etc...for me if in Paris it is hotel for sure...it it just too controversial and risky. Based on research on Paris perfect what st cirq says above makes sense...I think there was a time they were just as they describe but today it is much different..

Judy

As I understand it, it is legal for the agencies to list illegal apartments. It is the owner breaking the law, not the rental companies. Perhaps when they say they are "legal" that is what they are referring to....certainly disingenuous but technically true.

thursdaysd

At the very least they are aiding and abetting illegal activity, which is often itself illegal. If the agencies didn't exist, the rental activity would likely cease.

denisea

FWIW, I reached out to Paris Perfect about this issue and they state that their apartments are 100% legal and in compliance.

They stated that the apartments that required zoning and do not have the proper approvals are no longer offered. The apartments that required zoning have received it and are part of the 600 apartments on the approved Mayor's list.

They maintain they are one of the few agencies who fully comply with the laws here.

Our experiences with Paris Perfect have been good in the past. I will say that I would not lie about property ownership. I will take their word for this. I am sure that many will be skeptical and I understand that too.

kerouac

Well, they should certainly be able to provide you with a copy of the mayor's list then or give you an internet link for checking it yourself. Certainly they know that just "stating" that they are in compliance would never be enough to fool someone as intelligent as you.

StuDudley

We e-mailed the owners yesterday, and received the same explanation that denisea received.

We plan to continue to rent from Paris Perfect for many, many more years - so we're the ones most "at risk" here. We're satisfied with Paris Perfects "legitimacy".

Stu Dudley

brubenow

I have a 2 bedroom Paris Perfect apartment reserved for July. I, too, questioned them about the legality of the rental, and I was given documentation that satisfied me.

I do, however, have a hotel booked as a backup, just in case. Because I have 2 children and my husband with me, the hotel room has to be a suite in order accommodate all 4 of us, and therefore is more expensive than the Paris Perfect apartment. The hotel suite, of course, also does not have the amenities that the apartment does (laundry, kitchen, etc.)

I'll let you all know how it goes in July!

Sarastro

<i>They maintain they are one of the few agencies who fully comply with the laws here.</i>

I don´t see any mention of the <i>taxe de séjour</i> on the Paris Perfect website. Full compliance with the law means that they asses, collect, and forward this tax to the city. For those of you who use Paris Perfect, have you vbeen

Pardon my skepticism concerning the merits of management´s claim of being in ¨full compliance with the law¨. I am currently away from Paris for another week or so but as I live near the Marie of the 6th arrondissement and as the requests for vacation apartment rental approval are issued at the arrondissement level, if someone has the address of a Paris Perfect apartment currently being offered in the 6th arrondissement, I shall be glad to take the address to the Marie and inquire directly as to its legality as a short term rental.

We shall then know for certain.

Sarastro

<i>For those of you who use Paris Perfect, have you vbeen</i>

Sorry, from the above post, I meant to ask, ¨have you been required to pay the taxe de séjour at about 1% per day per occupant?¨.

Cjar

Sarastro- Nuit Saint George 1 bedroom in 6th arondissement. I don't see an address. I'm sure it is supplied only after booking. I'd be really curious to know if this is an approved rental.
I guess we'll have to plan a second trip after this all pans out.

cafegoddess

"We plan to continue to rent from Paris Perfect for many, many more years - so we're the ones most "at risk" here. We're satisfied with Paris Perfects "legitimacy". "

Me too, looking forward to staying in one of their apt next week. Landing in Paris in less than an hour. Yes!

CarolA

I've rented from agencies and probably will continue. ParisPerfect has long been off my list for issues I have read about on here and other boards, but not due to "legal" concerns.

chutney

Janisj,

It's people like YOU that are ruining this board. Why did you find it necessary to be so nasty. I was just sharing our experiences. I DID comment on the fact that I never saw any signs about saying we were the owners if asked.

janisj

What did I post that was nasty -- the fact that they were polite and responsive has nothing at all to do w/ whether the flats are legal or not.

kwren

brubenow

<<I do, however, have a hotel booked as a backup, just in case.>>

I'm in a similar situation and considered a hotel backup, but I have a few questions for you since you are farther along in the process than we are.

You didn't pay for the hotel at their full-price nonrefundable price did you? That would be paying for 2 accommodations if you stayed in the apartment.

If you reserved with a refundable price, don't you have to cancel by a certain date, which is undoubtedly before you would arrive to find that there might not be an apartment waiting for you. How would that help? You would have to cancel the hotel or pay for it anyway, all before knowing if the apartment is available.

We've tried to figure this out but maybe you thought of something we haven't thought of. Could you please elaborate?

fuzzbucket

Most agencies or individuals will give you at least 24-hours notice in the event of a last-minute cancellation. If you are in doubt, you should remain in contact with the person you are renting from and double-check the day before you leave for Paris. I would never advise booking and pre-paying for a hotel room which could not be cancelled the day you arrive. The 3rd-party booking sites often do not allow this, since they will lose money on the booking, but if you contact the hotel itself, it is often possible.

If you do arrive and your apartment is unavailable, or if it isn't what you expected, it would be good to have a hotel room as a backup - but again, without the cancellation penalty.

Lois2

Guess I am not o savvy on this back up hotel plan and how it works..people are talking like you can reserve a hotel ..get to the apartment..it is either not available or not what you expected..you go to the hotel..if that apt is not to your liking good luck getting your money back and if everything is great most hotels require a minimum of 24hours notice to cancel . I guess people have hotels that you can just call up at check in time and say I'm not coming? My advice is if you want an apt do the research...any hope for the best. Book a company with a good track record and if they do have an issue with the apt they will find something else..if you are that doubtful to be booking hotels just in case I say find a nice hotel and relax.

Whathello

Having a hotel as back up is intelligent but clear proof that one is skeptical about legality of the apt her rents.
Ethically it means : I am doing something probably illegal so in case the other hoes bust better be prepared.

Now my real point is that because of that hotel rooms get more expensive since they believe they are fully booked and I get better deals T. ETH short term since they are not.
I imagine hotels will react and become more reticent about offering free cancellation

Ps : I love the posters who just say they don't care and will continue renting from PP. so much for poor tourists not knowing about the laws in Paris.