Alas Macross, I do not live in the US. I live in Paris.

The website doesn't open for us in Paris...
Neither does Adrian Leeds' website.
They are blocked, apparently.

The agency I have used in the past has blocked French IP access to their site too. If that isn't a clue, I don't know what is. Doubt it will work for them.

In today´s news, the city has decided to start legal proceedings against Airbnb, Wimdu, ParisAttitude and Sejourning, forcing them to remove any listing on their websites which does not display the city required registration number.

http://immobilier.lefigaro.fr/articl...-b69e8584ef79/

And in English:

https://www.thelocal.fr/20171211/par...red-properties

<The new rules target landlords flouting France's 120-day legal limit set for renting out primary residences.

It is believed it could also put an end to tenants putting their apartments on Airbnb without the permission of the owners.>

Paul Manafort's daughter was renting out three apartments she had leased in NYC and making 30,000 a month. She had leased them for her film company. That is greed. Luxury apartments for huge amounts each night. So this states an owner of the said apartment can legally rent 120 days?

<Paul Manafort's daughter was renting out three apartments she had leased in NYC and making 30,000 a month. She had leased them for her film company. That is greed. Luxury apartments for huge amounts each night.>

Greed? How much was she paying for them? I'm no fan of Paul Manafort, but this sounds a lot like sour grapes.

Modern mega cities are crap at providing affordable housing, period. Going after short term rentals in prime locations is a distraction because the working poor were never going to be able to afford to live anywhere near them anyway.

Yes, basically legal apartments are those which are occupied by their owner who may rent his primary residence to tourists for a period not to exceed 120 days annually.

Full time renters or those with leases may do the same if they have approval from their landlords. They may not accept revenues from the short term rental of their apartment which exceed their own monthly rent/lease amount.

I have the impression that renting a room in a residence in which the owner or tenant remains during a vacation tenant's occupancy may have different rules as the "guest" is in addition to the full-time resident, not instead of the resident. Can anyone fill in this gap in the discussion?

I have seen nothing written that differentiates an owner´s being present or not as far as it pertains to short term rental rules and the 120 night maximum annual rental period. It would make no difference unless the room in question was rented all year in which case should term rules would not apply.

In fact, the original model for Airbnb was that only a room was rented from the owner/occupant. Airbnb did start out renting entire apartments.

"Airbnb did start out renting entire apartments."

Didn't?

I suspect the law applies only to entire apartments. I cannot see the point of limiting the number of days a guestroom can be rented as in most cases it wouldn't displace a long-term resident, as apartment rentals do. The point, one would suppose, is to get more apartments back onto the rental/purchase market.

So that they can be purchased by shell companies controlled by Russian oligarchs?

As far as the law ALUR is concerned, the 120 limitation has nothing to do with where an owner is or is not. While it is true that sharing accommodations will not necessarily consume apartment resources, many co-owners do not want any commercial activity in their building and have it written as such into the homeowners rules.

The law allowing 120 days of activity supersedes any written homeowner agreement thus you might consider it a compromise between various interests.

The mayor is pushing to have the 120 limit reduced to 90 days.

Newbe, https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-family-affair

I rented from someone before that owned the building and the apartment we rented was where her daughter stayed when she was in France. Her job kept her in other countries. She felt like she was very legal as she paid taxes and rented only when the apartment was empty. I live in a tourist area and our property tax came with a notice about paying taxes if we were renting airbnb style units. I think Orange County got a similar notice.

The average 1 bedroom rental is approximately 30 square meters. The average rental income from this rental is normally 1,500 EU.

The average 1 bedroom rental with a yearly lease at 30 square meters is 850 EU.

Whew, didn't mean to start a firestorm. Update, Paris Perfect did not have an available flat for our dates in our neighborhood and the AirBnb website was not working properly in Paris so went back to HomeAway. I did see many places did list their registration number so thanks for that heads up. I would advise anyone shopping for a place to stay to really study the photos and read all the reviews carefully. I would not rent a place that had no reviews and could be a scam.

Just mention Paris apts on here and a firestorm is certain to erupt. Have a great trip.

There should be a thread with apartments that have got the registration numbers... maybe when they switch over to the new forum I will start one.

yestravel, a firestorm of four posters isn't really a firestorm. It is a tempest in a teapot. That is more true when not a single one of these posters are capable of answering the question, which was which agency was the best for renting - reliable listings, etc., and it was followed by the tiresome refrain of the interpretation of a french law by various ex-pats who live there now. Being in Paris would make one think that they would actually have a leg up on finding that answer, but I suspect that isn't in the cards.

rialtogrl: Never happen. The four horsemen of Paris apartment apocalypse would never let the information get out.

Some reviews are phony. You need to know that.

You also need to look very closely at the "metre carre" - the space you are going to be occupying for the time you are in Paris.

Sleeping arrangements, a kitchen with just a hot plate and a coffee machine, not many dishes, would turn me off. So would a non-working elevator, and grumpy neighbors.

Take off your shoes and everybody will be happy.