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Sep 19th, 2015, 08:32 AM
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If this is their first trip, think hard about a hotel and all the advice a desk can offer. Also the ease of just driving up in the taxi, getting out and asking for your room.
Having the desk call a taxi for their return to the airport. ETC ETC
Having the desk call a taxi for their return to the airport. ETC ETC
Sep 19th, 2015, 08:51 AM
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I agree with Nikki and flpab. When I stay in an apartment in Paris, I have absolutely no illusions about "living like a local." It's all about space, a separate bedroom, a washer/dryer, and the budget. Right now we're in a 50m2 apartment in the 11th near the upper Marais. The furnishings are probably from Ikea and the appliances aren't great. But, it's very clean, has a great bed, and it's very well located for public transportation. And, it's €107 per night.
I do understand the issues regarding short-term rentals in Paris and probably won't do one again, but I am very sad that our options to revisit our favorite city are diminishing.
I do understand the issues regarding short-term rentals in Paris and probably won't do one again, but I am very sad that our options to revisit our favorite city are diminishing.
Sep 19th, 2015, 10:01 AM
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Ours is 50m also. I looked at one hotel in our budget and the guy said you had to stand on the bed to open the bathroom door and then your knees touched the wall. We tire of eating out and I see so many great items in the markets that I want to eat and fix. We won't eat every meal in but have the greatest kitchen with a balcony so will use it. I paid by credit card to an agency and it has a great reputation with many so be it.
Sep 19th, 2015, 04:48 PM
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Returned 2 weeks ago from a short, 4 day trip to Paris. After 8 visits staying in hotels, we decided to rent an apartment. We stayed on the border of the 7th and 15th, loved the accommodations. Rented through vrbo, crossed my fingers after reading the warnings here. Thankfully, all went well. Will continue to return to the apartment as long as it remains available.
Not sure about your info about Paris Perfect "slipping". I'd stay in one of their apartments tomorrow if I could afford it.
~Roberta
Not sure about your info about Paris Perfect "slipping". I'd stay in one of their apartments tomorrow if I could afford it.
~Roberta
Sep 19th, 2015, 06:36 PM
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I'm booked with Paris Perfect for an apartment in the 7th in July. Managment has provided me with documentation that they are legal, because I had concerns after reading posts on this forum. I have a hotel suite booked as a back-up, just in case, but Paris Perfect also gave me documentation that in the rare case of a cancellation, they would place us in an equivalent or better apartment. If the replacement apartment was not to my satisfaction, they will provide a full refund. However, they state this has never happened in their history. With that being said, I still have the hotel as a back-up, but I'm looking forward to 2 bedrooms for my family of 4, a kitchen, a washer and dryer, a great and quiet location, and a terrace with a view of the Tower 
In addition, Paris Perfect has an office and staff in the neighborhood, and a concierge service, as well as airport/ train transportation with a car service for a fee.
In addition, Paris Perfect has an office and staff in the neighborhood, and a concierge service, as well as airport/ train transportation with a car service for a fee.
Sep 19th, 2015, 11:13 PM
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<i>Managment has provided me with documentation that they are legal, </i>
Are you perhaps confusing the issue? There is no reason to doubt that Paris Perfect is a legitimate business. What they are doing is fully within the law. Unless Paris Perfect actually owns the apartments they rent, the legal question has nothing to do with the rental company but everything to do with the apartment itself and its owner.
If you want to be assured, you should ask for documentation proving that the apartment you rent is either:
1. Someone´s primary residence, which may be rented not to exceed 4 months per year.
2. Registered, with the Marie of the arrondissement in which it is located, as short term rental property.
<i>Paris Perfect also gave me documentation that in the rare case of a cancellation, they would place us in an equivalent or better apartment.</i>
This sounds reassuring but I am skeptical that Paris Perfect stocks spare apartments at the peak of the tourist season. Maybe they do but if you are told that the apartment you reserved and paid for suddenly has <i>maintenance issues</i>, having a backup hotel booking could really save the day.
Are you perhaps confusing the issue? There is no reason to doubt that Paris Perfect is a legitimate business. What they are doing is fully within the law. Unless Paris Perfect actually owns the apartments they rent, the legal question has nothing to do with the rental company but everything to do with the apartment itself and its owner.
If you want to be assured, you should ask for documentation proving that the apartment you rent is either:
1. Someone´s primary residence, which may be rented not to exceed 4 months per year.
2. Registered, with the Marie of the arrondissement in which it is located, as short term rental property.
<i>Paris Perfect also gave me documentation that in the rare case of a cancellation, they would place us in an equivalent or better apartment.</i>
This sounds reassuring but I am skeptical that Paris Perfect stocks spare apartments at the peak of the tourist season. Maybe they do but if you are told that the apartment you reserved and paid for suddenly has <i>maintenance issues</i>, having a backup hotel booking could really save the day.
Sep 20th, 2015, 06:28 AM
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All these agencies are singing the same song - "we are legal". But they are counting on the fact that the customer won't care to hear anything after that. Sarasto always has the facts straight. But nobody wants to listen because they've already made up their minds that the agencies wont lie to them. Or else they don't care about anything other than their comfort level.
By the way if you have never used a Parisian washer and dryer you should prepare yourself. They don't work like US models and take an average of 3 hours to do one medium size load. If you're lucky your laundry might even come out dry at the end. Not the conveniences they are made out to be. Better hope the appartment has a/c because you will need it in July. Almost all hotels have a/c so it's a good idea to keep your back up reservation.
By the way if you have never used a Parisian washer and dryer you should prepare yourself. They don't work like US models and take an average of 3 hours to do one medium size load. If you're lucky your laundry might even come out dry at the end. Not the conveniences they are made out to be. Better hope the appartment has a/c because you will need it in July. Almost all hotels have a/c so it's a good idea to keep your back up reservation.
Sep 20th, 2015, 07:31 AM
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Yes Manouche, the apartment has air conditioning. And thank you for the heads up on the laundry. I usually do it in the evening anyway. And I do care about more than my comfort level, which is why I've asked many questions and received the documentation I requested to make sure no laws are broken.
Sep 20th, 2015, 07:50 AM
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We've booked our clients with Paris Perfect for several years without encountering any problems, and have rented a few of their apartments ourselves when visiting Paris for a week or more.
The following is from their web page: www.parisperfect.com/why-paris-perfect.php
Peace of Mind with Authorized Paris Vacation Rentals
We are pleased to announce that the apartments in our portfolio are authorized for short term rentals in Paris. The process to obtain permission was initiated by Paris Perfect over four years ago to allow our guests to book with confidence and assurance. Enjoy peace of mind during your stay when you book with Paris Perfect!
The following is from their web page: www.parisperfect.com/why-paris-perfect.php
Peace of Mind with Authorized Paris Vacation Rentals
We are pleased to announce that the apartments in our portfolio are authorized for short term rentals in Paris. The process to obtain permission was initiated by Paris Perfect over four years ago to allow our guests to book with confidence and assurance. Enjoy peace of mind during your stay when you book with Paris Perfect!
Sep 20th, 2015, 09:01 AM
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Robert, lv and others, please note that many of those who try to dissuade apartment rentals were doing so even before the whole issue of legal or not came up. I think these ex-pats are sick of tourists and want to shut down as much tourism as possible- starting with apartments. Yes apartments are illegal now but over the years the same people made weak arguments against apartment rentals including manouche's warnings about size of Paris apartments, horrible laundry facilities (how does she do hers?) and her favorite: renters sitting outside cafes waiting for the landlord to come by- looking tired and depressed. As someone who zombie walked til my hotel was ready at 2pm don't know much difference..
It is not lost on me that a few were kicked off TA forum for their less than tourist friendly attitudes.. sometimes they had down right contempt for the average tourist who wanted to see gasp the Eiffel Tower or St Germain... glad they found a home here where they can continue to beat the drum about the myth of "living like a local" and show contempt for anyone wanting to see "the sites" and yet as ex-pats at some point they must have been new comers but alas they are too old and senile to remember those day when Paris was new and exciting as it is to many of the first time visitors on this and other sites.
It is not lost on me that a few were kicked off TA forum for their less than tourist friendly attitudes.. sometimes they had down right contempt for the average tourist who wanted to see gasp the Eiffel Tower or St Germain... glad they found a home here where they can continue to beat the drum about the myth of "living like a local" and show contempt for anyone wanting to see "the sites" and yet as ex-pats at some point they must have been new comers but alas they are too old and senile to remember those day when Paris was new and exciting as it is to many of the first time visitors on this and other sites.
Sep 20th, 2015, 10:29 AM
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Waw Bella.
So people come on travel forum to dissuade people from coming on holiday ?
Seems a big step to me.
I understand the 'me and me' attitude, I understand the arrogance of some but to have a hidden agenda like this looks to me as highly improbable.
I wasn't there before the law Alur was passed and started being largely discussed, but rentals didn't become illegal overnight, they have always be for the vast majority in the sense that no owner bothered declaring revenues.
Then the short rentals exploded because, yes, it is fun to stay in appt. And the authorities wanted to regulate this new market - nothing new here.
So now renting an appt in Paris means taking a small additional risk compared to before : that the appt is hust down by authorities or become suddenly unavailable due to unexpected renovation (like a thread going on now on TA).
As for being expelled from TA, if some people have been banned because of what they said, I'd rather suspect TA of wanting to keep it quiet since they derive revenues from renting appts themselves rather than having expats wanting to shut donw tourism...
BTW, I've been banned from TA, but am no expat and didn't look down upon tourists coming to Paris, and the same goes for at least 2 ex-regulars on TA who were recently banned : they were really helpful.
If you go on TAPF now, you'll see that toxicity has not abated but quality of advice given has dropped dramatically. At least some of these people who were expelled knew Paris and gave good advice.
Mvg.
So people come on travel forum to dissuade people from coming on holiday ?
Seems a big step to me.
I understand the 'me and me' attitude, I understand the arrogance of some but to have a hidden agenda like this looks to me as highly improbable.
I wasn't there before the law Alur was passed and started being largely discussed, but rentals didn't become illegal overnight, they have always be for the vast majority in the sense that no owner bothered declaring revenues.
Then the short rentals exploded because, yes, it is fun to stay in appt. And the authorities wanted to regulate this new market - nothing new here.
So now renting an appt in Paris means taking a small additional risk compared to before : that the appt is hust down by authorities or become suddenly unavailable due to unexpected renovation (like a thread going on now on TA).
As for being expelled from TA, if some people have been banned because of what they said, I'd rather suspect TA of wanting to keep it quiet since they derive revenues from renting appts themselves rather than having expats wanting to shut donw tourism...
BTW, I've been banned from TA, but am no expat and didn't look down upon tourists coming to Paris, and the same goes for at least 2 ex-regulars on TA who were recently banned : they were really helpful.
If you go on TAPF now, you'll see that toxicity has not abated but quality of advice given has dropped dramatically. At least some of these people who were expelled knew Paris and gave good advice.
Mvg.
Sep 20th, 2015, 10:33 AM
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<i>The following is from their web page: www.parisperfect.com/why-paris-perfect.php</i>
If this company were operating as openly and as honestly as they say they are, those of us who connect to the internet in France would actually be able to see more than just their splash page. Paris Perfect blocks access to their website for anyone in Paris not using a VPN connection.
Why would they do this? Many would say that it gives their illegal rentals a layer of protection from the prying eyes of the mayor´s task force.
<i>It is not lost on me that a few were kicked off TA forum for their less than tourist friendly attitudes</i>
Personal attacks of this type are inappropriate and do nothing to support your objectives, whatever they may be. You may blame anyone you wish but like it or not, the apartment rental landscape in Paris is changing. There are those of us who read the local news, watch the local TV commentary, report what is happening, and believe that tourist deserve knowing the truth.
If this company were operating as openly and as honestly as they say they are, those of us who connect to the internet in France would actually be able to see more than just their splash page. Paris Perfect blocks access to their website for anyone in Paris not using a VPN connection.
Why would they do this? Many would say that it gives their illegal rentals a layer of protection from the prying eyes of the mayor´s task force.
<i>It is not lost on me that a few were kicked off TA forum for their less than tourist friendly attitudes</i>
Personal attacks of this type are inappropriate and do nothing to support your objectives, whatever they may be. You may blame anyone you wish but like it or not, the apartment rental landscape in Paris is changing. There are those of us who read the local news, watch the local TV commentary, report what is happening, and believe that tourist deserve knowing the truth.
Sep 20th, 2015, 11:03 AM
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bella - That's a big giant load of crap you just unloaded. What are you so angry about? Do you own rental property? Sure sounds like it to me!
You must have been talking to HappyGoing who also has me confused with somebody else. All you children should get together and get your facts straight and stop with this know it all attitude because you don't know me and I don't know you. God willing I hope I never meet somebody as nasty as you are to a person you have never met.
Our housekeeper does our laundry and my wife doesn't like it when people call me a she. Most likely I am much older than you - you seem to be very immature and maybe even very young - but I am not senile. Since we have been resident for more than 18 years we are not expats but citizens of France. Maybe you should check your dictionary and find out what those words mean. I don't personally give a &%$% how long tourists drag their crap around the streets. It's none of my business.
Some people on this forum have overactive imaginations and too much time on their hands. Bella if you are so fond of TA maybe you should stay on that forum instead and go help those poor tourists you care so much about instead of bellyaching and dumping garbage on Fodor's.
Some of us care about upholding the laws of the country and city we live in. That's why we try to give the latest information. If you don't like it that's just tough.
You must have been talking to HappyGoing who also has me confused with somebody else. All you children should get together and get your facts straight and stop with this know it all attitude because you don't know me and I don't know you. God willing I hope I never meet somebody as nasty as you are to a person you have never met.
Our housekeeper does our laundry and my wife doesn't like it when people call me a she. Most likely I am much older than you - you seem to be very immature and maybe even very young - but I am not senile. Since we have been resident for more than 18 years we are not expats but citizens of France. Maybe you should check your dictionary and find out what those words mean. I don't personally give a &%$% how long tourists drag their crap around the streets. It's none of my business.
Some people on this forum have overactive imaginations and too much time on their hands. Bella if you are so fond of TA maybe you should stay on that forum instead and go help those poor tourists you care so much about instead of bellyaching and dumping garbage on Fodor's.
Some of us care about upholding the laws of the country and city we live in. That's why we try to give the latest information. If you don't like it that's just tough.
Sep 20th, 2015, 11:41 AM
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Boy could not agree more on Bella's comments...no basis in any facts at all...bet the OP here had no idea he/she would uncork this kind of response. Also agree TA does not tolerate such discussion as they are in the apartment listing business and derive income from those listings.
Sep 20th, 2015, 11:57 AM
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By the way Bella, I forgot to ask who you are.
You joined in sept 2015 yet you seem to know TAPF very well, are unleashing a good dose of venom with quite some ease.
Would I be totally wrong to imagine that you are most certainly a regular on some forums ?
So who are you and what are your motivations ?
You joined in sept 2015 yet you seem to know TAPF very well, are unleashing a good dose of venom with quite some ease.
Would I be totally wrong to imagine that you are most certainly a regular on some forums ?
So who are you and what are your motivations ?
Sep 20th, 2015, 12:01 PM
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Just one more thing. Bella has a right to an opinion about apartments, tourists or whatever, and so does everybody else. This kind of forum is made for discussion of facts and opinions.
What Bella and everybody else does not have a right to do is dump their personal garbage onto strangers on a travel forum. That's what children do when they spend too much time on Facebook when their parents aren't home.
What Bella and everybody else does not have a right to do is dump their personal garbage onto strangers on a travel forum. That's what children do when they spend too much time on Facebook when their parents aren't home.
Sep 20th, 2015, 12:11 PM
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Bella joined TODAY and this is her first/only ever post, so how the H*LL does she know who has said what/when???
She is either a TA 'plant' or a old Fodorite w/ a fake/new screen name.
Safely ignore her post and carry on w/ your discussion . . .
She is either a TA 'plant' or a old Fodorite w/ a fake/new screen name.
Safely ignore her post and carry on w/ your discussion . . .
