Our month in Venice
May 26th, 2009, 02:28 PM
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marisylvia, thanks for trying. I don't know what the problem is. I can just click on the (long) link. The link spreads out over two lines on my screen; are you sure you're getting the whole link?
Unlike Photobucket, the Kodak Easy-share site doesn't make any explicit provision for sharing a single photo. So I just right-clicked on the image, selected "Display Image", and then copied the link. I checked to be sure I wasn't logged in to the Kodak site.
If you want to go to the trouble, you can bring up the entire album, at:
http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=...&x=0&y=-jcjeim
If you start the slideshow, and then scroll down on your secreen, you see really tiny "thumbnails" of all the photos. The one of the church is the 16th from the last. If you click on it, it has the caption, "I'm afraid I can't recall the name of this church. (L232)".
After your lion series, you might enjoy the set of photos starting 8 from the last: Margie photographed the daily changes in the laundry drying across from our hotel window.
Don't bother with this if you're busy - you're doing enough for us already.
Can anyone else see the photo? Is anyone else having a problem with it?
Larry
Unlike Photobucket, the Kodak Easy-share site doesn't make any explicit provision for sharing a single photo. So I just right-clicked on the image, selected "Display Image", and then copied the link. I checked to be sure I wasn't logged in to the Kodak site.
If you want to go to the trouble, you can bring up the entire album, at:
http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=...&x=0&y=-jcjeim
If you start the slideshow, and then scroll down on your secreen, you see really tiny "thumbnails" of all the photos. The one of the church is the 16th from the last. If you click on it, it has the caption, "I'm afraid I can't recall the name of this church. (L232)".
After your lion series, you might enjoy the set of photos starting 8 from the last: Margie photographed the daily changes in the laundry drying across from our hotel window.
Don't bother with this if you're busy - you're doing enough for us already.
Can anyone else see the photo? Is anyone else having a problem with it?
Larry
May 26th, 2009, 03:01 PM
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Hi, Larry
With the original link, I got the message "Access denied", or the equivalent. So, I went to your slide show (and spent many moments admiring the photos), but I don't recognise that church, sorry. Guess I'll just have to go back again. I'll bet someone will know, amongst the Venice lovers. The last one, of the lamp base, was a good find!
Cheers. Yvonne
With the original link, I got the message "Access denied", or the equivalent. So, I went to your slide show (and spent many moments admiring the photos), but I don't recognise that church, sorry. Guess I'll just have to go back again. I'll bet someone will know, amongst the Venice lovers. The last one, of the lamp base, was a good find!
Cheers. Yvonne
May 26th, 2009, 03:15 PM
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Thanks, Yvonne. Obviously Kodak does something so that people can't just go directly to that photo's URL. Maybe they plant a cookie or something to indicate that you've been to the slide show.
That's a point for Photobucket. Maybe I'll open an account.
Anyway, Kodak won't maintain your photos any more unless you spend a minimum amount with them per year. It's not much, but that's their policy.
That's a point for Photobucket. Maybe I'll open an account.
Anyway, Kodak won't maintain your photos any more unless you spend a minimum amount with them per year. It's not much, but that's their policy.
May 26th, 2009, 03:39 PM
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justretired, if you want to find the name of the church, you might try visiting this site
http://www.invenicetoday.com/art-tour/
I had a similar problem when I got home from Venice trying to remember which photo went with which church. This seems to list them all with location, picture, and description.
http://www.invenicetoday.com/art-tour/
I had a similar problem when I got home from Venice trying to remember which photo went with which church. This seems to list them all with location, picture, and description.
May 26th, 2009, 04:18 PM
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Hi Larry,
I was wondering when did you take your trip to Venice and Lake Cuomo? Month? I don't want to hijact this wonderful trip report, but did you do a trip report? I was curious about the different hotels on your pictures and what you thought of them. Thanks.
M
I was wondering when did you take your trip to Venice and Lake Cuomo? Month? I don't want to hijact this wonderful trip report, but did you do a trip report? I was curious about the different hotels on your pictures and what you thought of them. Thanks.
M
May 26th, 2009, 04:27 PM
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Larry, I believe this is your church: http://www.invenicetoday.com/art-tou...ia_formosa.htm
May 26th, 2009, 05:17 PM
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Definitely Santa Maria Formosa:
http://venicedailyphoto.blogspot.com...a-formosa.html
Still enjoying, marisylvia!
http://venicedailyphoto.blogspot.com...a-formosa.html
Still enjoying, marisylvia!
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Weekend and Tours—Week Two
John and I both love Donna Leon’s atmospheric and rueful novels showing Venice at its best and worst through the eyes of Commissario Guido Brunetti of the Venice police. She critiques bureaucracy, greed, tourism, status and its perks, through this romantic cynic who is married to a leftist professor of English at the University, the redoubtable Paola, daughter of a Venetian noble family. They have two bright and feisty teenaged children, who add to the mix, plus Brunetti’s colleagues, especially Signorina Elettra, the diplomatic fashion plate who can cut any corner and get any information through her contacts and computer.
Through Donna Leon’s website I got in touch with Toni Sepeda, a professor at the university who leads tours of Brunetti’s Venice, showing the important sites from the novels. She could fit us in on only one tour, meeting Saturday morning at 10:30 in front of La Fenice, which is beloved by opera buff Leon, and the setting of her first novel.
John checked our maps to plan our route, taking the vaporetto from Ca’ d’Oro to Giglio. We allowed an hour to get there.
That morning the vaporetto was very crowded, and it took a lot of time to get the mobs off and on. We arrived at Giglio around 10:15, and I remarked to John we’d better step quickly. We followed signs pointing to La Fenice, but ended up in an area with fancy shops and a shrouded building. We were set upon by young women with clipboards asking us to sign and anti-drug petition. We wandered around, John kept looking at the map, the minutes ticked away until it was 10:30 and we still hadn’t found it. We tried a narrow calle and there, in all its unmistakable glory, was La Fenice, but, of course, the tour had left. John felt terrible, as he felt he’d failed in his role of pathfinder, which he excels at, even in Venice. I was afraid he’d be under a dark cloud all day, but as we strolled along, we stopped on a bridge overlooking a cluster of gondolas, and watched the efforts of gondoliers helping people onto the boats while keeping them from falling into the canal. It was the perfect mood lifter. I took a video which I was unable to get into Photobucket, but no stills.
We walked through St. Mark’s Square to the vaporetto at San Zaccaria, which is less crowded than San Marco.
I liked this sign:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...P1000446-1.jpg
Of course, I can never resist the lions:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000463.jpg
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...P1000465-1.jpg
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...P1000466-1.jpg
And, of course, the Grand Canal: http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000467.jpg
We always enjoy the friendly waiters and the people watching at Accademia Pizzeria, so that’s where we headed for to start our Sunday. It’s another good place to watch people getting into gondolas, as it overlooks two gondola stations.
There are many tour groups passing by:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000490.jpg
But our main entertainment came from the bulldog under the table next to ours, who would get agitated whenever another dog passed by.
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000493.jpg
I’ll post some pictures from various wanderings; I don’t recall where we were going at the time.
There is a dragon holding umbrellas like this in Barcelona:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...P1000482-1.jpg
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...P1000487-1.jpg
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000494.jpg
Early in the week we were passing through Campo Manin, seeing people lounging on the great man’s pedestal:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000526.jpg
We wandered some more. We saw this couple:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000499.jpg
We found this lovely archway:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000502.jpg
We came upon a building next to a bridge:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000504.jpg
We went inside:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000505.jpg
and looked around:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000509.jpg
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000510.jpg
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000507.jpg
It must be an abandoned palazzo:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000508.jpg
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000507.jpg
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000512.jpg
It was very atmospheric:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000511.jpg
There were workmen there, but nothing much seemed to be getting done:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000514.jpg
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000516.jpg
It overlooked a canal:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000515.jpg
Were we suddenly in an Antonioni movie?
I opened a door:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000508.jpg
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000517.jpg
We saw another wanderer:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000518.jpg
And went out and over the bridge:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000520.jpg
Suddenly we were in Campo S. Vidal:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000530.jpg
An artist was packing up:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000534.jpg
The Accedamia is draped, and a huge crane hovers over it. We crossed the bridge to catch the vaporetto:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000537.jpg
I saw a sandolo!
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000547.jpg
And I looked up “sandolos” and found a quote from this site:
http://gondolablog.blogspot.com/2009...n-venezia.html
There aren't very many of them in Venice when compared to the more well-known gondolas, so a "sandolo sighting" is often rare and unexpected.
-A great percentage of these boats are privately owned, and are usually independently operated. Because of this, the decor of a sandolo often reflects the personality of the owner.
- From a gondola owner's perspective, I view the boat as unique and even exotic. I would love to own one some day.
- There's also a sort of novelty to the boat because she has a number of parecio often seen on gondolas, but in smaller proportional form.
Here is another view:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000548.jpg
I had to take this man’s picture. He is probably a Venetian Count:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000557.jpg
This sorrowful lion overlooks a fast food stand on Strada Nova:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000562.jpg
John at the sotoportego which leads to our apartment:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...P1000565_2.jpg
Tempus fugit—It’s dinnertime again.
John and I both love Donna Leon’s atmospheric and rueful novels showing Venice at its best and worst through the eyes of Commissario Guido Brunetti of the Venice police. She critiques bureaucracy, greed, tourism, status and its perks, through this romantic cynic who is married to a leftist professor of English at the University, the redoubtable Paola, daughter of a Venetian noble family. They have two bright and feisty teenaged children, who add to the mix, plus Brunetti’s colleagues, especially Signorina Elettra, the diplomatic fashion plate who can cut any corner and get any information through her contacts and computer.
Through Donna Leon’s website I got in touch with Toni Sepeda, a professor at the university who leads tours of Brunetti’s Venice, showing the important sites from the novels. She could fit us in on only one tour, meeting Saturday morning at 10:30 in front of La Fenice, which is beloved by opera buff Leon, and the setting of her first novel.
John checked our maps to plan our route, taking the vaporetto from Ca’ d’Oro to Giglio. We allowed an hour to get there.
That morning the vaporetto was very crowded, and it took a lot of time to get the mobs off and on. We arrived at Giglio around 10:15, and I remarked to John we’d better step quickly. We followed signs pointing to La Fenice, but ended up in an area with fancy shops and a shrouded building. We were set upon by young women with clipboards asking us to sign and anti-drug petition. We wandered around, John kept looking at the map, the minutes ticked away until it was 10:30 and we still hadn’t found it. We tried a narrow calle and there, in all its unmistakable glory, was La Fenice, but, of course, the tour had left. John felt terrible, as he felt he’d failed in his role of pathfinder, which he excels at, even in Venice. I was afraid he’d be under a dark cloud all day, but as we strolled along, we stopped on a bridge overlooking a cluster of gondolas, and watched the efforts of gondoliers helping people onto the boats while keeping them from falling into the canal. It was the perfect mood lifter. I took a video which I was unable to get into Photobucket, but no stills.
We walked through St. Mark’s Square to the vaporetto at San Zaccaria, which is less crowded than San Marco.
I liked this sign:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...P1000446-1.jpg
Of course, I can never resist the lions:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000463.jpg
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...P1000465-1.jpg
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...P1000466-1.jpg
And, of course, the Grand Canal: http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000467.jpg
We always enjoy the friendly waiters and the people watching at Accademia Pizzeria, so that’s where we headed for to start our Sunday. It’s another good place to watch people getting into gondolas, as it overlooks two gondola stations.
There are many tour groups passing by:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000490.jpg
But our main entertainment came from the bulldog under the table next to ours, who would get agitated whenever another dog passed by.
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000493.jpg
I’ll post some pictures from various wanderings; I don’t recall where we were going at the time.
There is a dragon holding umbrellas like this in Barcelona:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...P1000482-1.jpg
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...P1000487-1.jpg
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000494.jpg
Early in the week we were passing through Campo Manin, seeing people lounging on the great man’s pedestal:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000526.jpg
We wandered some more. We saw this couple:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000499.jpg
We found this lovely archway:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000502.jpg
We came upon a building next to a bridge:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000504.jpg
We went inside:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000505.jpg
and looked around:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000509.jpg
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000510.jpg
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000507.jpg
It must be an abandoned palazzo:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000508.jpg
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000507.jpg
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000512.jpg
It was very atmospheric:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000511.jpg
There were workmen there, but nothing much seemed to be getting done:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000514.jpg
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000516.jpg
It overlooked a canal:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000515.jpg
Were we suddenly in an Antonioni movie?
I opened a door:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000508.jpg
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000517.jpg
We saw another wanderer:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000518.jpg
And went out and over the bridge:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000520.jpg
Suddenly we were in Campo S. Vidal:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000530.jpg
An artist was packing up:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000534.jpg
The Accedamia is draped, and a huge crane hovers over it. We crossed the bridge to catch the vaporetto:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000537.jpg
I saw a sandolo!
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000547.jpg
And I looked up “sandolos” and found a quote from this site:
http://gondolablog.blogspot.com/2009...n-venezia.html
There aren't very many of them in Venice when compared to the more well-known gondolas, so a "sandolo sighting" is often rare and unexpected.
-A great percentage of these boats are privately owned, and are usually independently operated. Because of this, the decor of a sandolo often reflects the personality of the owner.
- From a gondola owner's perspective, I view the boat as unique and even exotic. I would love to own one some day.
- There's also a sort of novelty to the boat because she has a number of parecio often seen on gondolas, but in smaller proportional form.
Here is another view:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000548.jpg
I had to take this man’s picture. He is probably a Venetian Count:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000557.jpg
This sorrowful lion overlooks a fast food stand on Strada Nova:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/P1000562.jpg
John at the sotoportego which leads to our apartment:
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...P1000565_2.jpg
Tempus fugit—It’s dinnertime again.
May 26th, 2009, 08:28 PM
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bfrac and swisshiker, thanks! You've definitely identified the church. I'll re-label my photo soon. I knew this group of Fodorites would be able to come up with it. Toni_g_b, that's a very interesting website. But it includes a different view of that particular church that doesn't show the campanile or the big facade on the Campo, so I was not able to identify it that way.
cafegoddess, our trip that started in the Lakes District and ended in Venice and (briefly) in Milan was in May-June of 2006. The trip report is divided into sections, and starts at:
"Italy trip report: Lakes district, Dolomites, Venice, and Milan":
http://www.fodors.com/forums/threads...2&tid=34821411
Each section, at the end, provides a link to the next. But if you want to go to them directly, the separate sections are at:
"Italy trip report: The Lakes District":
http://www.fodors.com/forums/threads...2&tid=34821416
"Italy trip report: The Dolomites":
http://www.fodors.com/forums/threads...2&tid=34821417
"Italy trip report: Venice":
http://www.fodors.com/forums/threads...2&tid=34821418
"Italy trip report: Milan (Milano), and some final thoughts":
http://www.fodors.com/forums/threads...2&tid=34821421
If the trip report doesn't answer all your questions, you can write me at [email protected].
YvonneT, I don't know any meaning of "parecio" in Italian. It would be pronounced "pa-ray-cho". Can you give the entire sentence, to put it into context? Maybe it's misspelled. ("Pareció" is a word in Spanish, but I don't think that's what you're after.)
Bedtime.
cafegoddess, our trip that started in the Lakes District and ended in Venice and (briefly) in Milan was in May-June of 2006. The trip report is divided into sections, and starts at:
"Italy trip report: Lakes district, Dolomites, Venice, and Milan":
http://www.fodors.com/forums/threads...2&tid=34821411
Each section, at the end, provides a link to the next. But if you want to go to them directly, the separate sections are at:
"Italy trip report: The Lakes District":
http://www.fodors.com/forums/threads...2&tid=34821416
"Italy trip report: The Dolomites":
http://www.fodors.com/forums/threads...2&tid=34821417
"Italy trip report: Venice":
http://www.fodors.com/forums/threads...2&tid=34821418
"Italy trip report: Milan (Milano), and some final thoughts":
http://www.fodors.com/forums/threads...2&tid=34821421
If the trip report doesn't answer all your questions, you can write me at [email protected].
YvonneT, I don't know any meaning of "parecio" in Italian. It would be pronounced "pa-ray-cho". Can you give the entire sentence, to put it into context? Maybe it's misspelled. ("Pareció" is a word in Spanish, but I don't think that's what you're after.)
Bedtime.
May 26th, 2009, 08:38 PM
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Marisylvia, it's a shame you missed the Toni Sepeda tour, but take heart. She has just published a guidebook called "Brunetti's Venice", with a foreword by Donna Leon. There are a number of walks accompanied with excerpts from the novels in which Brunetti visits those sites.
May 26th, 2009, 08:50 PM
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what a great report! I love how you have pictures mixed in.
I love old maps and I've copied down the address of the store where you bought the map so that when I go back in September of this year, I'll make sure to look for this store.
How lucky of you to be able to spend a full month in Venice, I'm jealous!
I love old maps and I've copied down the address of the store where you bought the map so that when I go back in September of this year, I'll make sure to look for this store.
How lucky of you to be able to spend a full month in Venice, I'm jealous!
May 26th, 2009, 10:15 PM
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justretired, the word came up in the blog marisylvia mentioned re: sandoli
- There's also a sort of novelty to the boat because she has a number of parecio often seen on gondolas, but in smaller proportional form.
I looked up various spellings, no luck, just came back to the Spanish version. Why do we get hung up on this sort of thing, when we could be out campaigning for world peace???
- There's also a sort of novelty to the boat because she has a number of parecio often seen on gondolas, but in smaller proportional form.
I looked up various spellings, no luck, just came back to the Spanish version. Why do we get hung up on this sort of thing, when we could be out campaigning for world peace???
May 27th, 2009, 07:07 AM
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Thanks for the information, Shellio. I first saw "Brunetti's Venice" in German at the Peggy Guggenheim gift shop. They had no copies in English. I found it on Amazon, and it got rather unfavorable reviews, so I passed on it. Actually, the same information is on Donna Leon's website, but we'd thought the guided tour would be fun.
Lyb, I'm sure you will love Signor Gabbiato's shop. I hope you'll also have time to sit and drink something at the cafe, as the passing parade there is endlessly fascinating. I will post some of the photos eventually.
Lyb, I'm sure you will love Signor Gabbiato's shop. I hope you'll also have time to sit and drink something at the cafe, as the passing parade there is endlessly fascinating. I will post some of the photos eventually.
May 27th, 2009, 11:20 AM
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Haven't been back on here for a couple days(sister/nephews arrived from out of state)....I'm so glad to see further installments of this saga have been added. It is such fun reading, but I'm getting very homesick for Venice! marisylvia, you are doing a great report. tower, thank you for the encouraging comments. I do have hopes of returning to Europe in the future. And, I really don't think DH & I are THAT old, but from previous posts, I had the feeling many members were 30-40 somethings. You're right, as long as one can keep going anywhere, one stays young in body & mind.
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YvonneT, I think I've got the answer on <i>parecio</i>. Google knows all. To try to find out what it might mean in the context of a gondola, I did a Google search on [gondola parecio] (I used the brackets to make it clear that I didn't put the words in quotation marks in the search box).
Why do we care about these things? Well, for my part, I'm a language geek.
Here's what turned up:
1) This site (scroll way to the bottom) has a poster that shows that the <i>parecio</i> comprises all the movable parts of a gondola ("<i>Parti mobili per gondola</i>"):
http://www.veniceboats.com/eng-desig...ts-gondola.htm
2) This site (again scroll to the bottom) actually lists what all those parts are ("a two-seat divan at the feet of the rowing stand, a couple of stools to sit other passengers, ..."). Caution: this site plays music at you:
http://www.veneziaweb.net/Making.htm
As far as the word itself, I'll take a wild guess that our mention of Spanish is not far off the mark. The <i>parecio</i> includes seats and carpets and stools and metal flourishes that determine the overall appearance of the gondola - without these, they would all look alike (everything goes with basic black). The Italian verb "to appear" is <i>apparire</i>, which means "to appear" in the sense of "to show up", but which can also mean "to appear" in the sense of <i>sembrare</i>, "to seem". The corresponding Spanish verb is <i>parecer</i>. <i>Parecido</i> in Spanish means "similarity, likeness". The Spanish conjugated verb <i>pareció</i> means "it seemed", or "it appeared".
So here's my guess: the word <i>parecio</i>, applied to a gondola, has something to do with "appearance", and comes from a Venetian dialect that was spoken in Venice before modern Italian, which perhaps had some words that were similar to modern Spanish. Any Venetians out there?
Isn't this fun?
Sorry, marisylvia. But at least we're still on the topic of Venice. We're nearing the 100th reply - this is a very popular thread.
Why do we care about these things? Well, for my part, I'm a language geek.
Here's what turned up:
1) This site (scroll way to the bottom) has a poster that shows that the <i>parecio</i> comprises all the movable parts of a gondola ("<i>Parti mobili per gondola</i>"):
http://www.veniceboats.com/eng-desig...ts-gondola.htm
2) This site (again scroll to the bottom) actually lists what all those parts are ("a two-seat divan at the feet of the rowing stand, a couple of stools to sit other passengers, ..."). Caution: this site plays music at you:
http://www.veneziaweb.net/Making.htm
As far as the word itself, I'll take a wild guess that our mention of Spanish is not far off the mark. The <i>parecio</i> includes seats and carpets and stools and metal flourishes that determine the overall appearance of the gondola - without these, they would all look alike (everything goes with basic black). The Italian verb "to appear" is <i>apparire</i>, which means "to appear" in the sense of "to show up", but which can also mean "to appear" in the sense of <i>sembrare</i>, "to seem". The corresponding Spanish verb is <i>parecer</i>. <i>Parecido</i> in Spanish means "similarity, likeness". The Spanish conjugated verb <i>pareció</i> means "it seemed", or "it appeared".
So here's my guess: the word <i>parecio</i>, applied to a gondola, has something to do with "appearance", and comes from a Venetian dialect that was spoken in Venice before modern Italian, which perhaps had some words that were similar to modern Spanish. Any Venetians out there?
Isn't this fun?
Sorry, marisylvia. But at least we're still on the topic of Venice. We're nearing the 100th reply - this is a very popular thread.
May 27th, 2009, 01:12 PM
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hi marisylivia,
I'm still enjoying your report so much. what those who belong to the "if it's tuesday it must be Venice" brigade miss is ..well, how much they miss! being a fan of Donna Leon myself, I really felt for you when you got to la Fenice and found the trip gone. is there really a Brunetti website? - I'm going there immediately I've finished here.
Yvonne - my Collins Italian dictionary and grammar [all 833 pages] does not give "parecio" at all. the closest is "parecchio" which means "quite a lot of, quite a bit, quite a while," etc. does that help?
regards, ann
I'm still enjoying your report so much. what those who belong to the "if it's tuesday it must be Venice" brigade miss is ..well, how much they miss! being a fan of Donna Leon myself, I really felt for you when you got to la Fenice and found the trip gone. is there really a Brunetti website? - I'm going there immediately I've finished here.
Yvonne - my Collins Italian dictionary and grammar [all 833 pages] does not give "parecio" at all. the closest is "parecchio" which means "quite a lot of, quite a bit, quite a while," etc. does that help?
regards, ann
May 27th, 2009, 01:13 PM
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There's an on-line Venetian - Italian dictionary:
http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~stermo...gnoreaccents=1
It translates <i>parecio</i> (<i>veneziano</i
into <i>preparativo</i> (<i>italiano</i. And <i>preparativo</i> in Italian means "preparation". And that fits.
To look up more words, click "search again" at the upper-left.
There's an on-line Venetian - Italian dictionary:
http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~stermo...gnoreaccents=1
It translates <i>parecio</i> (<i>veneziano</i
into <i>preparativo</i> (<i>italiano</i. And <i>preparativo</i> in Italian means "preparation". And that fits.To look up more words, click "search again" at the upper-left.
