Old fashioned printed newspapers
May 6th, 2007, 07:15 PM
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First of all, thereyet, I am exactly like you, and I have read newspapers all my life since I was quite small. Since I do read in several foreign languages, whereever I am, I'll read the newspaper, either in the local language, or, if the country in question publishes an English language newspaper-such as Cairo's Al-Ahram (the pyramids) or the Bangkok Post, I ALWAYS read that-but in addition the International Herald Tribune, which is not a sister paper to the NY Times, but is published jointly by both the Times AND the Washington Post.
In Scotland, I read the Scotsman, and the Scottish Sunday paper.
But in Italy, I ALWAYS read Il Gazzettino, the local paper of Venice (even here, on line, most days) Corriere della Sera, and La Repubblica-I have learned an enormous amount of vocabulary doing just that.
In France I read Le Monde, and L'Express.
In Scotland, I read the Scotsman, and the Scottish Sunday paper.
But in Italy, I ALWAYS read Il Gazzettino, the local paper of Venice (even here, on line, most days) Corriere della Sera, and La Repubblica-I have learned an enormous amount of vocabulary doing just that.
In France I read Le Monde, and L'Express.
May 6th, 2007, 08:04 PM
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Hi GypsyspyGirl, does Le Monde have an english language version? It seems I have used that paper as a source in my college years and I couldn't have read french myself. Maybe I had someone translate it for me. Regardless I am sure I will try and read a Spanish paper while I am there and the IHT will certainly come in handy.
Where is the IHT printed? I am not that interested in "old news" from US papers in Europe not to mention the added cost. Also I like to read the paper early in the morning. I had to pick my home delivery by who could have it at my door the earliest!
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Where is the IHT printed? I am not that interested in "old news" from US papers in Europe not to mention the added cost. Also I like to read the paper early in the morning. I had to pick my home delivery by who could have it at my door the earliest!
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May 6th, 2007, 08:11 PM
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<i>For the past several months, every morning I step out my front door, bring in the newspaper, take the plastic wrapper off it, put in my plastics recycle bag, and move the previous day's unopened newspaper into the recycle bin, then set that day's fresh paper on the foyer table. The next day I repeat this operation.</i>
Patrick, you just said what I've been doing for the past 6 months! I'm so sick of our "Daily Disappointment" that all I do is transfer it from the driveway to my recycle bin. Our paper is 47th in the nation. I'm tired of writing to the editors.
Patrick, you just said what I've been doing for the past 6 months! I'm so sick of our "Daily Disappointment" that all I do is transfer it from the driveway to my recycle bin. Our paper is 47th in the nation. I'm tired of writing to the editors.
May 6th, 2007, 08:12 PM
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I agree with Madame X.
I love my home delivery of the NY Times. It's not the same as reading on line, the pictures are not always there.
And you know what, I do not want people to lose thier jobs because you rather read on line.
I love my home delivery of the NY Times. It's not the same as reading on line, the pictures are not always there.
And you know what, I do not want people to lose thier jobs because you rather read on line.
May 6th, 2007, 08:26 PM
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There used to be so many newspapers of record. Such as the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the Times-Picayune, Sacramento Bee, Dallas Star Telegram, Minneapolis Star Tribune, Etc... Now we are left with just a few like Chicago Trib, Washington Post and of course the NY Times.
Is there a similar consolidation going on in Europe? thereyet
Is there a similar consolidation going on in Europe? thereyet
May 6th, 2007, 09:00 PM
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And before I go to the land of nod, I want to say that the web is wonderful, but makes it too easy to avoid someone who needs words from somneone who cares in print. Letter writing is no more, how sad, we lost grace.
May 6th, 2007, 11:24 PM
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The IHT is no longer owned in part by the Washington Post. Just the New York Times. It is not "old" American news -- they're headquartered in Paris with offices in Hong Kong, and possibly other parts of the world. It is printed daily, regionally. They obtain much of their front page news from the NYT, but have features special to the IHT. For example, Suzy Menkes is their well-respected and renowned fashion critic, Patricia Wells their restaurant critic. It's an excellent paper for English-speakers who are travelling or living abroad. Not sure why someone posted that there's "not much in it" -- there seems to be plenty of content. Also, it's not really expensive -- unless you consider 2 euros expensive.
May 7th, 2007, 12:29 AM
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Thereyet, I'm not sure those so-called "old fashioned" newspapers are much different than the internet in terms of advertising revenue requirements.
My Fodors page <b>right now</b> has two ads on it and if you go someplace like CNN and suspend your pop-up blocker there is all sorts of advertising.
I often read the IHT when I'm in Europe; I get kinda tired of CNN "business news" on the TV.
My Fodors page <b>right now</b> has two ads on it and if you go someplace like CNN and suspend your pop-up blocker there is all sorts of advertising.
I often read the IHT when I'm in Europe; I get kinda tired of CNN "business news" on the TV.
May 7th, 2007, 01:21 AM
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Thereyet, as far as the UK is concerned, here's an old (about 30 years, so it's a little but not a lot out of date) guide:
- the Times is read by the people who think they run the country.
- the Financial Times is read by the people who really run the country.
- the Guardian is read by the people who think they should run the country.
- the Daily Telegraph is read by the people who used to run the country.
- the Daily Express is read by the people who think the country should be run the way it used to be run.
- the Daily Mail is read by the people who think their husbands should run the country.
- the Daily Mirror is read by the people who think the unions should run the country.
- the Sun is read by the people who don't care who runs the country, as long as she's got big knockers.
I'm a Guardian man myself, so I'm biased, but I wouldn't put money in Rupert Murdoch's pocket (Times, Sun), the Mail is there to vent every petty suburban prejudice going, and the Express combines a vulgar version of the Mail's prejudices and every last Diana conspiracy theory going (don't ask).
- the Times is read by the people who think they run the country.
- the Financial Times is read by the people who really run the country.
- the Guardian is read by the people who think they should run the country.
- the Daily Telegraph is read by the people who used to run the country.
- the Daily Express is read by the people who think the country should be run the way it used to be run.
- the Daily Mail is read by the people who think their husbands should run the country.
- the Daily Mirror is read by the people who think the unions should run the country.
- the Sun is read by the people who don't care who runs the country, as long as she's got big knockers.
I'm a Guardian man myself, so I'm biased, but I wouldn't put money in Rupert Murdoch's pocket (Times, Sun), the Mail is there to vent every petty suburban prejudice going, and the Express combines a vulgar version of the Mail's prejudices and every last Diana conspiracy theory going (don't ask).
May 7th, 2007, 02:34 AM
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My huge guilty pleasure in London is the Daily Mail. Juicy scandal without being as sleazy as The Sun & I get a kick out of the irate letters to the Editor. I play the word games too.
No alien stories that I've ever seen. My friends here have me bring the Mail back & they get passed all around to several people.
No alien stories that I've ever seen. My friends here have me bring the Mail back & they get passed all around to several people.
May 7th, 2007, 04:18 AM
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Patricklondon, I think I saw that list somewhere before. I love it. At first I thought this was going to get expensive. But yo gave a nice synopsis in the end so at least I will start with the Guardian. Also not a big fan of Murdoch.
Carrybean, I love the Op-Ed and letters to the editor.
thereyet
Carrybean, I love the Op-Ed and letters to the editor.
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May 7th, 2007, 04:37 AM
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Thereyet-there actually IS a type of "Le Monde" English language news version on line, but it is a monthly periodical, and it is a subscription-
mondediplo.com/
Also, you forgot to name really one of the best newspapers in this country: The LA TIMES. If you do not read this regularly, you should; the LA Times reporters, unlike their East Coast brethern, and particularly on issues involving terrorism, get the information out there fairly accurately! They have broken a number of hard hitting stories. But the accuracy level in this paper's stories, this is a rare thing.
As for the New York Times, oh yes, I'm going to be blasphemous here-I'm NEVER liked it-I don't like their stilted style of referring to everyone as "Mr" Mrs" "Ms" as in Mr. or Mrs. Clinton every few seconds-it SHOULD be "Clinton" or "Blair" -in other words, just use their last names, for god's sake! And often, their front page stories on breaking news are just plain IN ERROR-particularly on terrorism matters.
The Post? Well, let's just say that those reporters, like the Times reporters, get into bed too often with this or that government official in a "you write something favorable about myself or my office, and I'll give YOU the reporter, exclusive access to an interview." This leads to a corrupting effect on the finished product in question, particularly when the government officials in question wish to act like "thugs" and destroy people's lives, they use the Times and particularly, those eager Post reporters in order to accomplish that...Other papers are maybe a little bit more reticent to accept what certain officials tell them as the absolute truth...
As for the Post not owning a share of the IHT, that's news to me. They still reprint Post editorials, so I assumed the same situation was in effect. But it is true that IHT does have unique articles, they are quite good on the arts, for example, you can learn what new exhibits and festivals are going on all over Europe in their European editions, and in Asia in those editions.
However, because they are owned by the Times, and include Post information as well, they too, are overly influenced by that East Coast, center of power, effect described above.
mondediplo.com/
Also, you forgot to name really one of the best newspapers in this country: The LA TIMES. If you do not read this regularly, you should; the LA Times reporters, unlike their East Coast brethern, and particularly on issues involving terrorism, get the information out there fairly accurately! They have broken a number of hard hitting stories. But the accuracy level in this paper's stories, this is a rare thing.
As for the New York Times, oh yes, I'm going to be blasphemous here-I'm NEVER liked it-I don't like their stilted style of referring to everyone as "Mr" Mrs" "Ms" as in Mr. or Mrs. Clinton every few seconds-it SHOULD be "Clinton" or "Blair" -in other words, just use their last names, for god's sake! And often, their front page stories on breaking news are just plain IN ERROR-particularly on terrorism matters.
The Post? Well, let's just say that those reporters, like the Times reporters, get into bed too often with this or that government official in a "you write something favorable about myself or my office, and I'll give YOU the reporter, exclusive access to an interview." This leads to a corrupting effect on the finished product in question, particularly when the government officials in question wish to act like "thugs" and destroy people's lives, they use the Times and particularly, those eager Post reporters in order to accomplish that...Other papers are maybe a little bit more reticent to accept what certain officials tell them as the absolute truth...
As for the Post not owning a share of the IHT, that's news to me. They still reprint Post editorials, so I assumed the same situation was in effect. But it is true that IHT does have unique articles, they are quite good on the arts, for example, you can learn what new exhibits and festivals are going on all over Europe in their European editions, and in Asia in those editions.
However, because they are owned by the Times, and include Post information as well, they too, are overly influenced by that East Coast, center of power, effect described above.
May 7th, 2007, 04:44 AM
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hi, thereyet,
I think that Patrick's clever list is from an episode of "yes minister", but it's still pretty accurate, for being 20+ years old.
No-one has yet mentioned the Evening Standard - published every week-night in London - some national but mainly london news, plus listings, reviews etc.
Daily papers - The torygraph is probably the best for sport, as i seem to remember another thread from you about a cricket match, this may interest you. good writing and articles in the grauniad [known for its typos] and independent. Daily Mail to test you blood pressure.
regards, ann
I think that Patrick's clever list is from an episode of "yes minister", but it's still pretty accurate, for being 20+ years old.
No-one has yet mentioned the Evening Standard - published every week-night in London - some national but mainly london news, plus listings, reviews etc.
Daily papers - The torygraph is probably the best for sport, as i seem to remember another thread from you about a cricket match, this may interest you. good writing and articles in the grauniad [known for its typos] and independent. Daily Mail to test you blood pressure.
regards, ann
May 7th, 2007, 05:30 AM
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To be strictly accurate, "Yes Minister" was quoting from something that had been going the rounds for some years before that: it would probably have been some time after the Sun created Page 3 girls, so around the early 70s. In those days it would have been on a postcard or a tea-towel, nowadays it would be by email, of course.
May 7th, 2007, 06:06 AM
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I am a Wall Street Journal person and have occasionally run across a Wall Street Journal Europe that I like. I also read the New York Times on-line on Saturdays. I like the travel section. I have read one or two Guardian articles but will never read them after what I thought was an offensive stunt to affect the US election in Ohio. Though maybe I should be glad as it backfired.
May 7th, 2007, 06:15 AM
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Now I see where that comes from, if this Wikipedia article is accurate-however the IHT continues to run Post editorials, so the break is by no means complete:
In 1991, The Washington Post and The New York Times became sole and equal shareholders of the newspaper. It is now completely owned by The New York Times Company after it purchased the 50% stake owned by the Washington Post Company on December 30, 2002. The takeover ended a 35-year partnership between the two domestic competitors. The Post was forced to sell when the Times threatened to pull out and start a competing paper. As a result, the Post entered into an agreement to publish selected articles in The Wall Street Journal's European edition.
In 1991, The Washington Post and The New York Times became sole and equal shareholders of the newspaper. It is now completely owned by The New York Times Company after it purchased the 50% stake owned by the Washington Post Company on December 30, 2002. The takeover ended a 35-year partnership between the two domestic competitors. The Post was forced to sell when the Times threatened to pull out and start a competing paper. As a result, the Post entered into an agreement to publish selected articles in The Wall Street Journal's European edition.
