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ok, I did it, I really did it. this is step number one. (looking to move overseas)

ok, I did it, I really did it. this is step number one. (looking to move overseas)

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Old Oct 6th, 2001 | 06:23 PM
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Take a look at this website, <BR> <BR>http://www.transitionsabroad.com/ <BR> <BR> <BR>
 
Old Oct 6th, 2001 | 11:55 PM
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beth, <BR> <BR>congratulations! it's a great decision. <BR>i hate to sound like i'm raining on your parade, but i must warn you about a few things if you choose to try england first. my husband and i recently did the same. americans MUST have a work permit, BEFORE arriving in the u.k. to work. they treat this very seriously and most employers will insist on you having your own work permit before even talking to you. the reason why is because they must pay a lot of money and go through a thorough interrogation to explain why you are more qualified than a u.k. resident. put simply-it's not worth their trouble. the only way around this is if you have a grandparent with u.k. ancestry, you can apply for a special permit. or, if you have a parent with citizenship in one of the e.u. countries, so that you may apply for it as well, then you would be allowed to work legally. i suppose it is possible that you may find work in a bar or restaurant, i really don't know. but i am fairly certain any other 'above board' type of work would be impossible unless you were hired from the states. other countries, like italy, may be more lax about this. good luck!!!
 
Old Oct 7th, 2001 | 10:12 AM
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Amy, Do you know how to go about getting this special permit in UK? My father was born in England, and of course so were his parents and grandparents, etc. I would love to know how to go about this. Thanks.
 
Old Oct 7th, 2001 | 10:43 AM
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Beth, as you know, I'm thrilled for you, but at the same time know the kind of stresses you are going through. <BR> <BR>Have you thought of doing a search on-line to find agencies that help you find jobs overseas. I just did that and found a number of them. I'm not sure what your area is but telecommunications experts are much in demand, world-wide. And there are quite a few organizations that can help you find a job and, perhaps, do the necessary paperwork. <BR> <BR>Also, try www.federaljobs.net. There aren't LOTS of jobs, but there are a few and I would think the more technical jobs (i.e. telecom) would be more in demand. And, if you are working for the Federal government, you won't need a work permit. The only problem is that, by Federal law, you are limited to 5 years in the job. That can be extended a year or 2, but that's about it. But 5 years can help you meet a lot of folks and really broaden your network for the next job.
 
Old Oct 7th, 2001 | 12:05 PM
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Susan, what you need is a 'Certificate of Entitlement for the Right of Abode'. To get it, you apply at the nearest Britsih Consulate and complete form IM2A and IM2D with supporting documents. You can find full details at http://www.fco.gov.uk/ukvisas/dynpage.asp?Page=472 and click on INF7. <BR>With this certificate and your passport, you will be able to enter UK freely to live and work as you please. It does not, however, give you similar entitlement in other EU countries. To do so you need to get a UK passport. <BR>Best of luck.
 
Old Oct 7th, 2001 | 01:23 PM
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Alec, Thank you so much! <BR>
 
Old Oct 7th, 2001 | 02:25 PM
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Susan, you CAN work in the rest of the EU with only a right to abode but it requires some paperwork. What you need to do is set up a Ltd. in the UK, with yourself as employee. Then you can contract yourself out to employers anywhere in Europe (as a contracted worker, not a regular employee). My husband has the UK right to abode and this is the route he followed. It is completely legal. <BR>One last thing about the Right to Abode--he was told that it can only be issued to people with Commonwealth country passports. As my husband is Canadian, he qualified. The British embassy said he wouldn't qualify if he had only an American passport, but I check more into it if I were you. <BR>Due to the terrorist attacks, record numbers of illegal immigrants, etc., the Brits are much stricter about visas these days. While my husband's paperwork was being processed, he watched visa applicant after visa applicant being turned down, some for very minor reasons. And student visas are carefully scrutinized--you can't just be accepted by a student program, you have to show proof of enrollment, including proof of having paid tuition. <BR>
 
Old Oct 7th, 2001 | 02:47 PM
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Hi all, <BR> <BR>Thank you for the support and suggestions! As well as the cautions – I know this is a long row to hoe… <BR> <BR>I’ve been on a mad race to get my resume out there to my various contacts, and, I have been brainstorming like mad as to how to accomplish this. My plan B is looking better and better to tell the truth – work in various places (not exclusive to Europe btw, I am even thinking of going somewhere WARM like the USVI first), making enough to pay room and board & a little pin money while using my savings for the commitments I still will have stateside. In a way it is like putting my life on hold indefinitely, but, what an adventure! <BR> <BR>I do think the fates had something to do with this – when I accepted my post at my current job I told myself “on my one year anniversary, I will be on my way overseas. Well, the layoff announcement came 3 days after I passed my anniversary. Simultaneously with that, my brother moved into the area to start a brand new job. We have discussed him taking over my ‘life’ while I am gone – he’ll take over my lease, phone, all utils, store my stuff (probably not even move it/he’ll use it) and keep an eye on my car (which I paid off earlier this year, yippee! The biggest monthly expense I had…) <BR> <BR>I do appreciate the offers of tips or suggestions, should anyone know of recruiters or headhunters, please do let me know! I am also intrigued by the possibility of teaching English overseas, and I have started to look into this… <BR> <BR>Thanks again, <BR> <BR>Beth <BR>
 
Old Oct 7th, 2001 | 08:49 PM
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Dear Beth: I wanted to see how hard/easy it would be to get a position abroad teaching English. Most schools in Asia (China, Japan, Taiwan, Thailand) either want a BA, a TESOL certificate, or both. I have applied to three schools so far. I will let you know how things progress.
 
Old Oct 7th, 2001 | 08:55 PM
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Beth, Please forgive me if I'm intruding on your thread, but maybe you can use some of the info that comes up. Jane, when I checked out Alec's lead, I did wonder about having to be a member of the Commonwealth to take advantage of getting a visa with a parent/grandparent born in the UK. Guess I'll have to check into that further if I get to the point where I definitely want to do this. Has anyone else done this, where you were an American citizen, born in the US, but had a parent & grandparent born in the UK, so you could get the visa to work there without any problem? <BR>Best of luck, Beth, hope you work something out! <BR>
 
Old Oct 7th, 2001 | 09:19 PM
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My granny was born in Old Windsor, England, but I never tried to get a visa to work in Britain. Do you want me to call up and ask the embassy in New York?
 
Old Oct 8th, 2001 | 01:31 AM
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Just wanted to pop in since I am an Expat living in Italy and know a little about the wonders of living overseas. <BR> <BR>Anyway, it is great that you have so many people rooting for you Beth. Your first step needs to be contacting the British Consulate nearest you (really, do this before doing anything else). You should also check out http://www.expataccess.com as they have requirements, job info, helpful hints and discussion groups for many different countries. Coming here is great for support but it is not where you should be doing research. <BR> <BR>Now I need to say something that makes people angry, mainly because it is not what they want top hear, but it is important just the same. <BR> <BR>If you want to come over, great, it is wonderful, but make sure you do it legally. Especially in the world of today, illegal immigration is very risky. I know someone who came to Italy a year ago. She is a chef and was teaching at a cooking school. She never got a visa or any permits to stay. She was pulled over by the police on a random road check (this is normal here in Italy) and when they found out she was not legal, they gave her a couple of weeks to get her stuff together and then escorted her to the plane back home. She is not allowed in any EU country for 5 years and if she doesn't obey it will be a ban for life and possible jail time. Italy has enacted new immigration laws this year and they are pretty damn serious about them. <BR> <BR>Go the legal route, there are many ways to do it (I recommend student visas for people coming to Italy as you can work legally for 20 hours a week and can stay for a year). <BR> <BR>HTH, <BR>Cristina
 
Old Oct 8th, 2001 | 06:13 AM
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Hey Beth! Good luck! Like others have said, getting a work permit in Europe isn't so easy. One thing to consider is being a nanny. I don't know what paperwork that involves but a lot of people do it so maybe it's easier. The Caribbean sounds good to me! I know an American girl who moved to Grand Cayman for a few years and worked as a bartender, so apparently it's doable. Hawaii could be fun, too. <BR>What exactly do you do in telecoms? The economy over here has taken a hit, too, so it may be rough finding a professional position.
 
Old Oct 8th, 2001 | 06:53 AM
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Hi Beth, <BR>Although telecoms are tanking here in Europe as badly as they are in the U.S., there are still plenty of IT jobs available, depending on your skills. Helpdesk and roll-out/migration people remain in demand. I would check www.jobserve.com to see the wide range of possibilities. <BR>Companies are much more willing to hire you once you're over here (a pharmaceutical company got me a Belgian work permit but wouldn't even have bothered to interview me if I were back in the States)...so if you come to Europe as a nanny, student, etc., you may be more able to find employers who will take you on with a "real" job. Just make sure you do EVERYTHING legally. Cutting corners could have very negative and long lasting consequences. <BR>Be sure to check for jobs in Belgium as well. Belgian employers seem more willing to get the work permit for foreigners than most other European countries, and again, once you're here, it's easier to find jobs elsewhere in Europe. Good luck. It's harder today than it was a few years ago, when we came, but it's still possible. Expats with new work permits arrive every day. <BR>BTilke (Brussels)
 
Old Oct 8th, 2001 | 07:08 AM
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Susan-you can get all of your questions answered by calling the British Embassy in DC. That's the best way to go. <BR> <BR>Beth--good luck. The only advice I can add is to tell you to listen to the people who tell you not to work illegally. It can become a huge mess. I have a friend who makes about $900,000 a year trying to get people who worked illegally in various countries and got caught back into that country. He has a small client list, which should give you some idea of how much each person pays him. It's also hell looking over your shoulder all of the time. <BR> <BR>Don't know your age, but if you're in your early-mid 20s, check out www.bunac.co.uk. They arrange work visas for students and people up to a certain age.
 
Old Oct 8th, 2001 | 08:27 PM
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Beth: <BR> <BR>You are an incredible woman and I admire you! <BR> <BR>If I can help at all, I would like to. <BR> <BR>I know, from previous posts, that you have experience in the Telecom industry. I work for a Global IT consulting company. If you want, and there is a good match, I could distribute your CV to our consultants - perhaps there may be opportunities either within our company in the UK or with their clients. <BR> <BR>If your are interested then send your CV to: <BR> <BR>[email protected] <BR> <BR>Best Regards and toasting your future … Ger <BR>
 
Old Oct 9th, 2001 | 09:28 AM
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Beth: Like you, I fantasize daily about living overseas. I am on the edge of my seat waiting to hear how this goes for you because it may affect my own future plans. Keep us updated! All my best wishes are with you.
 
Old Oct 10th, 2001 | 09:04 AM
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Beth: <BR> <BR>If positive thinking truly has power, then this will happen for you. You've got alot of people supporting you in your endeavor and wishing you great success in this major life change. <BR> <BR>Ask the universe for what you want (and so you have!) and ye shall receive. Or another tidbit of zen -- when the student is ready, the master will appear. <BR> <BR>Keep moving one foot after the other and you'll find yourself living/working/posting overseas. <BR> <BR>P.S. A bit of prayer couldn't help. Website for virtual Jerusalem will let you put a prayer in wailing wall, http://www.virtualjerusalem.com/sendaprayer/
 
Old Oct 10th, 2001 | 12:37 PM
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I did want to add one thing. Beth, you sound pretty realistic about this whole thing, so my advice may not apply to you, but others who are reading this thread and thinking about moving overseas. <BR> <BR>Please remember that no matter where you live, you will still have the same problems and hang-ups. Moving doesn't make you a different or better or worse person. You're still the same. So many people have this romantic idea that moving overseas will make all of their problems go away. I've had friends moving from the U.S. and Europe with that attitude, and I've had friends move from Europe to the U.S. with that same idea. The lessons they learned were very costly and neither couple was happy with their new homes. The Americans returned 8 months after leaving the US, and the Europeans left the US after just 6 months. <BR> <BR>Living in a foreign country can be a wonderful thing. I've done it and enjoyed it and plan to do it again. But it's not for everyone.
 
Old Oct 10th, 2001 | 06:12 PM
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I have heard that two EU countries: Italy & Ireland would qualify a foreigner to gain citizenship if his/her paternal grandfather was a citizen of Italy/Ireland. Automatically one can work in any EU country once that happens. Has anyone tried/learned about this?
 


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