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Old Apr 15th, 2019, 02:43 PM
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Just devastating. But the NYT now says that while the spire and two thirds of the roof have gone, the towers have been saved. It seems that renovations are really dangerous - think of the Glasgow School of Art. Same thing happened to an historic courthouse near where I live - different scale of course but again, during renovations..
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Old Apr 15th, 2019, 02:56 PM
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I'm sure funds will come from all over the world. My thought from a personal perspective, I likely won't live long enough to see the restoration completed, the 1st time I've had such a thought.

Twenty years ago or so I climbed the towers with my large camera to take pictures of the view with gargoyles, as so many have. Small consolation but a little.
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Old Apr 15th, 2019, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by TDudette View Post

A reporter on NPR said that government funds do not maintain places of worship. Because of this, frequent repairs to the wood roof have been made in a less than ideal way. She speculated that current repairs could have caused this fire...not sure.
On MSNBC, Macron says he will put up a national subscription for repairs.
The government does not maintain places of worship built after 1905 which is the year of the law of separation of Church and State. The maintenance of churches built before 1905 is still funded by the state for their artistic or historical value just like castles, Roman gates, acqueducts etc

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Old Apr 15th, 2019, 03:07 PM
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I'm no construction expert, but I'm fairly optimistic that, so long as the structural integrity of the walls is not in question, a new (fireproof) roof can be built within a few years time. Restoring the vaulted fan ceiling, so that the interior is restored to its pre-fire look, will probably take longer. And, tragically, the beautiful stain glass windows may never be fully restored (those lost in the fire--I'm hopeful that some may have been saved). You have to figure that the central spire collapsed around the alter, and that the area around the altar would have been heavily damaged. A lot of the other art was housed in the side chapels, which may have escaped the worst.
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Old Apr 15th, 2019, 03:08 PM
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Yes tragic loss for Paris and the world. I do wonder why such a monument did not apparently have any inner ant-fire things and why took Paris first responders seemingly so long to get into action. Thank God no one got hurt except minor injuries apparently to a first responder.

If I were Pope I skip St Peter's Easter Mass and come to Paris and use a large open area like around Eiffel Tower and do an outdoor mass celebrating the new Notre-Dame de-Paris.
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Old Apr 15th, 2019, 03:20 PM
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Very sad to watch...I feel so lucky to have seen it before this
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Old Apr 15th, 2019, 05:09 PM
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Thanks for the clarification, Askar01. I will pass that along to my local station...they don't normally miss such details.
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Old Apr 15th, 2019, 05:13 PM
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A profound loss for the world.

In three days I was going to take my teens up those towers.... something I remember loving so much and wanted to share. Let's hope that enough is saved that it can be restored for the next generations.
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Old Apr 15th, 2019, 06:46 PM
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During our first trip to Paris in 1972, my wife was admiring the wrought iron work on the doors to Notre Dame. A well-dressed man in his 60's engaged us in English and asked what we liked it about it. We said something to the effect regarding the beauty and craftsmanship. And then he asked us to have coffee with him. At the end I said, "While we appreciate the coffee, why did you ask us to join you?"He said, "I always grateful to Americans for what they did for France during the wars."
I said, "Obviously we were too young to have fought."
"Of course, but go back home and tell people what they did was not forgotten."
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Old Apr 15th, 2019, 07:25 PM
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My thoughts are with Parisians, and everyone who is touched by this tragedy.
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Old Apr 15th, 2019, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by hetismij2 View Post
And who will pay for it? They struggled to raise the money for much needed repairs and restoration, who do you propose they should raise the money to rebuild a replica of Notre Dame.
Firefighters are saying it probably can't be saved.
Perhaps it would be better in that case to build anew, a modern place of worship rather than a tourist trap look alike that would take even longer then Sagrada familia to complete, even if they havd the finnaces to do so.
Of course it will never be just "a replica", just like it never was just "a place of worship". Something "modern" after what has happened? I don't think so.

If the Laurenskerk could be rebuilt, then certainly Notre Dame as well. Here's Rotterdam's Laurenskerk, just after the war. That took 16 years, and then too there were voice who thought that rebuilding would be "making a replica" and advocated exactly what you are describing. Still grateful every day that there was so much popular opposition to that.

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Old Apr 15th, 2019, 09:57 PM
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What menachem wrote.
Many important buildings that we admire today have been damaged or destroyed in the course of the centuries - by fires, earthquakes or wars.
I am confident that with today's technology, it will be possible to rebuild and restore Notre Dame in full glory.
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Old Apr 16th, 2019, 12:01 AM
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"And, tragically, the beautiful stain glass windows may never be fully restored "

Almost all "medieval" stained glass in Europe's major churches has been semi-continuously restored for the past three or four hundred years. As have most exterior church gargoyles and statues. Their authorities swap craftspeople almost as frequently as Michelin starred restaurants or opera houses.

The York Minster fire 35 years ago was a dress rehearsal for this: go inside now and you simply won't believe there was a catastrophic fire so recently.

I'm 70: I fully expect to go to Mass in a perfectly restored Notre Dame before I die.
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Old Apr 16th, 2019, 02:46 AM
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I was a bit confused by reports that the crown of thorns had been saved, I thought it was in the Sainte-Chapelle

The firemen complained about access difficulty due to the bridge. Who knew the chathedral was on an island
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Old Apr 16th, 2019, 03:07 AM
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The Sainte Chapelle is no longer a religious building so they would not store religious relics there, even if they did so in the past. Anyway, all of those things are now in a safe in the Hôtel de Ville. Bigger artworks are going to be taken to the Louvre for drying out and restorations.

At the press conference that just ended, they said that the two main rose windows appear to have survived, as did the 15th century organ.
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Old Apr 16th, 2019, 03:41 AM
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A very hopeful article about Notre Dame.
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Old Apr 16th, 2019, 05:12 AM
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Such a big loss. I remember the first time we visited. Our kids were young and our son was fascinated with it and the gargoyles. We have been back many times, so fond memories of it like many others. Our daughter is headed back again this summer with a friend who has never been to Europe. It will be interesting to hear from them their experience while there.
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Old Apr 16th, 2019, 06:22 AM
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It's terrible, but from this morning's reports, it could have been very much worse. She survived the French Revolution, I fully expect her to survive this. BTW, according to the NYT, the spire was only built in the 19th century - and some statues had been removed from it because of the renovation work. (Sometimes statues are replicas in any case - in Strasbourg you can see the originals in the cathedral museum.)
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Old Apr 16th, 2019, 06:31 AM
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I think Kerouac should go to visit Notre Dame on his day off, take photos and post them here for us.

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Old Apr 16th, 2019, 06:43 AM
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He did and the photos are super. Scroll down to #18

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