Non red-eye flight from US to Rome?
Nov 25th, 2011, 08:14 AM
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"<i>We just took a daytime Delta flight from Seattle to Amsterdam</i>"
I'm confused
How is that possible?? Picked random dates on Delta's website and the only non-stop lands in A'dam 0825 the next morning. The other options leave later and arrive later -- all that I can find are over night.
I'm confused
How is that possible?? Picked random dates on Delta's website and the only non-stop lands in A'dam 0825 the next morning. The other options leave later and arrive later -- all that I can find are over night.
Nov 25th, 2011, 08:45 AM
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actually it's daytime from Seattle as it leaves at 1:30 pm
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Delta 232 Seattle (SEA) 1:30pm Amsterdam (AMS) 8:25am Airbus A330-300 9 hr 55 min
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Delta 232 Seattle (SEA) 1:30pm Amsterdam (AMS) 8:25am Airbus A330-300 9 hr 55 min
Nov 25th, 2011, 09:01 AM
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skiingsailor,
to sleep on flight..my recipe:
About a week before flight, start going to bed an hour earlier, gettign up and hour earlier. As days go by...two hours and two hours,etc..When you get up early, get lots of light, eat, etc...
You are adjusting your body's internal clock to the destination before you leave...versus while there.
On plane, avoid alcohol, coffee. No movies, no staying up. Maybe dinner. Afterwards, headset, soft music. Because when you get on the plane your body already feels it is bedtime, sleeping will be 'easier'.
When you land, no naps! Naops just let your body assume it is still on back-home time.
Check-in, get out and about (avoid bus tours first day). Normal bedtime that night.
Day 2...you are primed.
to sleep on flight..my recipe:
About a week before flight, start going to bed an hour earlier, gettign up and hour earlier. As days go by...two hours and two hours,etc..When you get up early, get lots of light, eat, etc...
You are adjusting your body's internal clock to the destination before you leave...versus while there.
On plane, avoid alcohol, coffee. No movies, no staying up. Maybe dinner. Afterwards, headset, soft music. Because when you get on the plane your body already feels it is bedtime, sleeping will be 'easier'.
When you land, no naps! Naops just let your body assume it is still on back-home time.
Check-in, get out and about (avoid bus tours first day). Normal bedtime that night.
Day 2...you are primed.
Nov 25th, 2011, 08:13 PM
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>>>hkto on Nov 25, 11 at 12:45pm
actually it's daytime from Seattle as it leaves at 1:30 pm
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Delta 232 Seattle (SEA) 1:30pm Amsterdam (AMS) 8:25am Airbus A330-300 9 hr 55 min<<<
That's not a daytime flight. It's an overnight flight. Only day flights that I know of from the US go to London (from NY and Chicago).
actually it's daytime from Seattle as it leaves at 1:30 pm
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Delta 232 Seattle (SEA) 1:30pm Amsterdam (AMS) 8:25am Airbus A330-300 9 hr 55 min<<<
That's not a daytime flight. It's an overnight flight. Only day flights that I know of from the US go to London (from NY and Chicago).
Nov 25th, 2011, 08:42 PM
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"<i>actually it's daytime from Seattle as it leaves at 1:30 pm
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Delta 232 Seattle (SEA) 1:30pm Amsterdam (AMS) 8:25am Airbus A330-300 9 hr 55 min</i>"
OK -- definition of terms may be in order here.
'Daytime flight' does not just mean it leaves during the day. A daytime flight departs <i>AND LANDS</i> the same day. There are no daytime flights from the US west coast to Europe . . . and only a few from the east coast/chicago.
Flight durations/time zones just don't work from most part of North America.
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Delta 232 Seattle (SEA) 1:30pm Amsterdam (AMS) 8:25am Airbus A330-300 9 hr 55 min</i>"
OK -- definition of terms may be in order here.
'Daytime flight' does not just mean it leaves during the day. A daytime flight departs <i>AND LANDS</i> the same day. There are no daytime flights from the US west coast to Europe . . . and only a few from the east coast/chicago.
Flight durations/time zones just don't work from most part of North America.
Nov 26th, 2011, 05:39 AM
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"actually it's daytime from Seattle as it leaves at 1:30 pm
It's a technically daytime if measured in PST timezone (arriving AMS at 11:30PM PST). Because of 9 hr time difference it's technically impossible to arrive in Europe before midnight local time. For that to be true flight needs to leave US West coast between 4 & 5 am.
It's a technically daytime if measured in PST timezone (arriving AMS at 11:30PM PST). Because of 9 hr time difference it's technically impossible to arrive in Europe before midnight local time. For that to be true flight needs to leave US West coast between 4 & 5 am.
Nov 26th, 2011, 07:25 AM
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"<i>It's a technically daytime if measured in PST timezone (arriving AMS at 11:30PM PST). </i>"
Jeeze Louise! That is not anyone's definition of a daytime flight. Daytime flights are what this thread is about. Not overnight flights . . .
In your definition --- nearly EVERY US to Europe flight is 'daytime'.
"<i>Because of 9 hr time difference it's technically impossible to arrive in Europe before midnight local time. For that to be true flight needs to leave US West coast between 4 & 5 am.</i>"
Doh . . .
Jeeze Louise! That is not anyone's definition of a daytime flight. Daytime flights are what this thread is about. Not overnight flights . . .
In your definition --- nearly EVERY US to Europe flight is 'daytime'.
"<i>Because of 9 hr time difference it's technically impossible to arrive in Europe before midnight local time. For that to be true flight needs to leave US West coast between 4 & 5 am.</i>"
Doh . . .
Nov 26th, 2011, 07:37 AM
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>>>It's a technically daytime if measured in PST timezone (arriving AMS at 11:30PM PST).<<<
No, it's not technically a daytime flight. It's an overnight flight. For it to be a daytime flight it would need to arrive at it's European destination the same day. If it did leave the west coast at 4 am and landed in Europe the same day it would be a daytime flight.
>>>Because of 9 hr time difference it's technically impossible to arrive in Europe before midnight local time<<<
That's exactly the reason there aren't any daytime flights from the US west coast.
No, it's not technically a daytime flight. It's an overnight flight. For it to be a daytime flight it would need to arrive at it's European destination the same day. If it did leave the west coast at 4 am and landed in Europe the same day it would be a daytime flight.
>>>Because of 9 hr time difference it's technically impossible to arrive in Europe before midnight local time<<<
That's exactly the reason there aren't any daytime flights from the US west coast.
Nov 26th, 2011, 08:50 AM
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I think the problem comes with one's definition of "red-eye", which was what the original poster was concerned about. To me, a "red-eye" is a flight that leaves the place of origin late at night. Wikipedia agrees with me, BTW: "A red-eye flight is any flight departing late at night. The term red-eye derives from the fatigue symptom of having red eyes"...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red-eye_flight
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red-eye_flight
Nov 26th, 2011, 09:35 AM
#31
Context man . . . When talking about a flight to Europe your definition of red eye doesn't work. Sure -- from LAX to JFK -- a red eye leaves at night.
But a sensible reading of the OP's post -- he is asking about a flight where he does not need to sleep on the plane . . .
But a sensible reading of the OP's post -- he is asking about a flight where he does not need to sleep on the plane . . .
Nov 27th, 2011, 08:29 AM
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Double helpings!
You will be able to tell if it's an overnight flight/red eye easily when you are booking as there will be a statement (warning)saying flight arrives next day (+1 day).
>>>azzure on Nov 26, 11 at 12:50pm
I think the problem comes with one's definition of "red-eye"<<<
Your personal definition of red-eye doesn't apply (nor does the OP's or wiki). It's the industry accepted definition that matters (the airline industry doesn't go by wiki). The OP was wanting a flight to depart in the morning and arrive at destination that night so the OP could just check in to the hotel and spend the night. All flights from the west coast arrive early/mid morning next day in Europe, not the same night. If you have any doubt about official definitions for any airline terms/policies, you need to hang out on the Flyertalk boards a few days. That's where the hard core travelers post, but they don't suffer newbies easily (don't ask a question already on the boards as you are expected to research first) so you might not want to post.
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Overnight flight. One that leaves* when the date is mm/dd/yyyy and arrives when the date is mm/dd+1/yyyy.
*For all intents and purposes, a flight that leaves at, say, 12:00-1:00 am on mm/dd+1/yyyy can be said to leave on mm/dd/yyyy.<<<<
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles-points-1/
You will be able to tell if it's an overnight flight/red eye easily when you are booking as there will be a statement (warning)saying flight arrives next day (+1 day).
>>>azzure on Nov 26, 11 at 12:50pm
I think the problem comes with one's definition of "red-eye"<<<
Your personal definition of red-eye doesn't apply (nor does the OP's or wiki). It's the industry accepted definition that matters (the airline industry doesn't go by wiki). The OP was wanting a flight to depart in the morning and arrive at destination that night so the OP could just check in to the hotel and spend the night. All flights from the west coast arrive early/mid morning next day in Europe, not the same night. If you have any doubt about official definitions for any airline terms/policies, you need to hang out on the Flyertalk boards a few days. That's where the hard core travelers post, but they don't suffer newbies easily (don't ask a question already on the boards as you are expected to research first) so you might not want to post.
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>>>mdspadeccom
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What definition do you want to use for a Red-Eye?
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Overnight flight. One that leaves* when the date is mm/dd/yyyy and arrives when the date is mm/dd+1/yyyy.
*For all intents and purposes, a flight that leaves at, say, 12:00-1:00 am on mm/dd+1/yyyy can be said to leave on mm/dd/yyyy.<<<<
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles-points-1/
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