No olive oil on BA flights!
Nov 28th, 2008, 05:30 AM
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Airlines don't sell olive oil on board do they?
That's why alcohol and perfume are allowed.(youthink 70 degree alcohol is flammable? Set fire to a bottle of perfume (from a distance). That's flammable!).
The whole war on terror/homeland security thing is bullshit - it's just a way of cowing the populus. And on at least one side of the pond it's working - and sadly there are signs it may be having some effect here.
That's why alcohol and perfume are allowed.(youthink 70 degree alcohol is flammable? Set fire to a bottle of perfume (from a distance). That's flammable!).
The whole war on terror/homeland security thing is bullshit - it's just a way of cowing the populus. And on at least one side of the pond it's working - and sadly there are signs it may be having some effect here.
Nov 28th, 2008, 05:40 AM
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140 degree proof (70% by volume) is legal on airplanes. obviously it's because they sell it on board and in the airports. nice to know that's what's driving the security rules.
i assume you mean that the rules are working on the OTHER side of the pond. we keep incubating terrorists at a rate rivalled by few other countries!
i assume you mean that the rules are working on the OTHER side of the pond. we keep incubating terrorists at a rate rivalled by few other countries!
Nov 28th, 2008, 05:48 AM
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No you galoot, I meant that the "rules" are completely unecessary and a gross over-reaction.
You may have noticed that we seem to now catch most of our terrorists before they do any real harm.
Also it is a tribute to Britains state education system that the terrorists are so monumentally thick that they bulk buy peroxide or indeed don't even bother to check if a range rover will fit between the barriers at Glasgow Airport.
So I suppose that's something to thank Labour for - terrorists that are too stupid to blow themselves up. I knew there was something.
You may have noticed that we seem to now catch most of our terrorists before they do any real harm.
Also it is a tribute to Britains state education system that the terrorists are so monumentally thick that they bulk buy peroxide or indeed don't even bother to check if a range rover will fit between the barriers at Glasgow Airport.
So I suppose that's something to thank Labour for - terrorists that are too stupid to blow themselves up. I knew there was something.
Nov 28th, 2008, 05:50 AM
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Of course the War on Terror is a joke. How incovenient that those people were killed in Mumbai. No doubt the Jews being attacked are exaggerating the whole "siege" thing. We need to make peace with the radical Islamists. As long as we can bring home our foreign olive oil.
Nov 28th, 2008, 05:53 AM
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Of course the War on Terror is a joke.>>>>
Of course it's a joke. It's just the idiot yanks thinking that because the world revolves around them, that terrorism was invented in 2001.
Of course it's a joke. It's just the idiot yanks thinking that because the world revolves around them, that terrorism was invented in 2001.
Nov 28th, 2008, 06:29 AM
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We are all aware of the long asymmetric war waged between IRA and your government. The Irish were setting off a bomb a week at one point, killing many in a Brighton hotel, as well as no less a light as Lord Louis Mountbatten. But over the forty or so years of operations, the IRA only managed to kill 1,800 people, the majority of them British troops.
<i>Al-Qaeda</i> killed 3,000 Americans - mostly civilians - before lunchtime on a Tuesday morning.
(And by the way, google the following search string: <b>"olive oil" "spontaneous combustion"</b>. You may be surprised. I know I was.)
<i>Al-Qaeda</i> killed 3,000 Americans - mostly civilians - before lunchtime on a Tuesday morning.
(And by the way, google the following search string: <b>"olive oil" "spontaneous combustion"</b>. You may be surprised. I know I was.)
Nov 28th, 2008, 06:39 AM
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Alternatively one could say that the British faced 40 years of near constant attack, the yanks got hit once. And the way they got hit can never be replicated.
Not to demean either, but the fact is the average yanks is completely safe from terrorism - certainly the islamic kind. Al Quaeda (a chimera) are not going to blow up the Wendy's in Bumfluff Idaho.
Some loon with a machine gun might shoot it up though.
Most European countries have some experience with domestic and foreign terrorism - yet we seemed to stay sane until the yanks got involved - then it all went barmy. Coincidence? You tell me.
Not to demean either, but the fact is the average yanks is completely safe from terrorism - certainly the islamic kind. Al Quaeda (a chimera) are not going to blow up the Wendy's in Bumfluff Idaho.
Some loon with a machine gun might shoot it up though.
Most European countries have some experience with domestic and foreign terrorism - yet we seemed to stay sane until the yanks got involved - then it all went barmy. Coincidence? You tell me.
Nov 28th, 2008, 07:02 AM
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<i>Not to demean either, but the fact is the average yanks is completely safe from terrorism - certainly the islamic kind.</i>
That statement simply cannot be supported by fact - since we don't know what they're up to. No, they're not going to use an airplane as a cruise missile ever again. TSA is a totally unnecessary sop. But an attack on a power plant or water supply that kills thousands is always possible.
caroline, that reminds me of a comic BBC News Flash!
A THERMONUCLEAR BOMB HAS ANNIHILATED NEW YORK CITY. NO BRITONS WERE REPORTED INJURED.
AND NOW, IN OTHER NEWS...
That statement simply cannot be supported by fact - since we don't know what they're up to. No, they're not going to use an airplane as a cruise missile ever again. TSA is a totally unnecessary sop. But an attack on a power plant or water supply that kills thousands is always possible.
caroline, that reminds me of a comic BBC News Flash!
A THERMONUCLEAR BOMB HAS ANNIHILATED NEW YORK CITY. NO BRITONS WERE REPORTED INJURED.
AND NOW, IN OTHER NEWS...
Nov 28th, 2008, 07:38 AM
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The New York nuke would be third item in - after the John Sergeant Come Dancing (aka Dancing with the Stars) debacle and Gordon Ramsay's trouser antics.
RE Terrorism; Yes vigilence is required, however there really ain't that much of a threat - honestly there isn't.
If you listen to the yanks you'd think they were in an existential fight. However they have no idea why. "They hate our freedons" and all that bollocks. *sigh*
RE Terrorism; Yes vigilence is required, however there really ain't that much of a threat - honestly there isn't.
If you listen to the yanks you'd think they were in an existential fight. However they have no idea why. "They hate our freedons" and all that bollocks. *sigh*
Nov 28th, 2008, 08:28 AM
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The fact that a number would rather not travel on BA than give up their "right to bear olive oil" is joyous news. The lessening of competition for seats on my preferred carrier is wonderful.
Now if you would also eschew travel rather than curtail your freedom to carry large bottles of liquid or stand on your principles not to remove your belts or shoes for security inspection, then I applaud that as well.
Just think... you won't even have to bother getting a passport unless you want to drive to Canada!
Now if you would also eschew travel rather than curtail your freedom to carry large bottles of liquid or stand on your principles not to remove your belts or shoes for security inspection, then I applaud that as well.
Just think... you won't even have to bother getting a passport unless you want to drive to Canada!
Nov 28th, 2008, 09:04 AM
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Hi Underhill; I'm afraid your serious question on 'olive oil' has become a comedy show. But there are many of us that would like the simple answer to your question. So, if BA replys, PLEASE let us know the results. THANKS Iris
Nov 28th, 2008, 09:40 AM
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<i>If you listen to the yanks you'd think they were in an existential fight. However they have no idea why. "They hate our freedoms" and all that bollocks. *sigh*</i>
The pro-Israel "Amen Corner" (Pat Buchanan's phrase) has made mentioning that country in the same breath as Islamic terrorism the third rail of American politics. Touch it and die.
I think it might be a grave error to underestimate either the intentions or capabilities of the <i>jihadists</i>. After all, a very small group was able to bring London to its knees with a relatively primitive attack on 7/7.
Let's err on the side of caution, what say?
The pro-Israel "Amen Corner" (Pat Buchanan's phrase) has made mentioning that country in the same breath as Islamic terrorism the third rail of American politics. Touch it and die.
I think it might be a grave error to underestimate either the intentions or capabilities of the <i>jihadists</i>. After all, a very small group was able to bring London to its knees with a relatively primitive attack on 7/7.
Let's err on the side of caution, what say?
Nov 28th, 2008, 12:34 PM
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Iris, I emailed BA for an explanation of "cooking oils" and got this reply:
"The cooking oils are prohibited from carriage in checked or carry-on baggage." Duh.
I have emailed to another site requesting a definition of cooking oils. Will post if I get a sensible answer.
"The cooking oils are prohibited from carriage in checked or carry-on baggage." Duh.
I have emailed to another site requesting a definition of cooking oils. Will post if I get a sensible answer.
Nov 28th, 2008, 01:57 PM
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I got the same dim-witted response.
By the way, AA sells small bottles of olive oil in sets from its duty-free on-board stock. Something here is not quite right. Surely olive oil is shipped from Europe to the U.S. by air at times?
By the way, AA sells small bottles of olive oil in sets from its duty-free on-board stock. Something here is not quite right. Surely olive oil is shipped from Europe to the U.S. by air at times?
Nov 28th, 2008, 07:03 PM
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You can carry on any liquid as long as it fits in a 3 oz. container that fits in a quart Ziploc®. The risk of the small bottles of oil they sell on board is negligible.
But spontaneous combustion in the hold is the scariest thing that can happen, short of airframe failure.
Commercial shipments are undoubtedly packed to withstand transport, and aren't allowed to be shipped in proximity to materials that would support combustion.
But spontaneous combustion in the hold is the scariest thing that can happen, short of airframe failure.
Commercial shipments are undoubtedly packed to withstand transport, and aren't allowed to be shipped in proximity to materials that would support combustion.
Nov 29th, 2008, 08:00 AM
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<i>But spontaneous combustion in the hold is the scariest thing that can happen, short of airframe failure.</i>
Has the possibility of spontaneous combustion of cooking oils been only recently discovered? Have travelers been carrying oil in their luggage only very recently? I find these types of bans to be very a-historical in this respect.
Has the possibility of spontaneous combustion of cooking oils been only recently discovered? Have travelers been carrying oil in their luggage only very recently? I find these types of bans to be very a-historical in this respect.
Nov 29th, 2008, 10:09 AM
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<i>Author: Michael ([email protected])
Date: 11/29/2008, 12:00 pm
Has the possibility of spontaneous combustion of cooking oils been only recently discovered? Have travelers been carrying oil in their luggage only very recently?</i>
I googled several very old sources documenting spontaneous combustion of olive (and other vegetable) oil. The probability of anything bad happening is (percent of bags containing oil x percent of containers that leak x percent of leaking containers that heat up enough to combust x number of hot containers that get enough oxygen to ignite). A very small (but nonetheless finite) number. Maybe some airlines only recently discovered the risk exists while researching possible terrorist attack vectors.
Date: 11/29/2008, 12:00 pm
Has the possibility of spontaneous combustion of cooking oils been only recently discovered? Have travelers been carrying oil in their luggage only very recently?</i>
I googled several very old sources documenting spontaneous combustion of olive (and other vegetable) oil. The probability of anything bad happening is (percent of bags containing oil x percent of containers that leak x percent of leaking containers that heat up enough to combust x number of hot containers that get enough oxygen to ignite). A very small (but nonetheless finite) number. Maybe some airlines only recently discovered the risk exists while researching possible terrorist attack vectors.
Nov 29th, 2008, 01:35 PM
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I can possibily understand olive oil or other substance exploding while in the plane's luggage hold while on the ground (in summer), but what's the temperature at 35-40,000'? Even if at cabin temp of 70-degrees would this be hot enough for olive oil to explode?
