Navigo Decouverte Question (Paris)
Jun 27th, 2024 | 09:46 AM
#21
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Fares will not be normal until after September 8.
Paris metro passes were actually developed for residents who are paying the taxes for the system, not to subsidize tourists. Paris metro fares are very reasonable compared to any big city system I have used, much cheaper than some in the US. The goal wasn't to help out tourists to give them cheap transit. So the weekly passes starting on Monday were developed for local residents who use metro a lot for commuting. They didn't want to subsidize tourists. That's also why there is no children's fare (Parisian children have some other longer term pass options). I know it's hard to think that everything isn't designed just for what you personally might want, but that's the way it is. Paris metro has been around decades and that weekly pass system has also been around for decades, I was using it back in the 1980s (Carte Orange weekly or monthly) and it was that same time frame for the weekly one. The system was developed in the mid70s and before that pass, it was very complicated to buy different tickets for different areas etc. In fact, when it was first developed, it was only for workers and you needed employment proof to buy it.
Paris metro passes were actually developed for residents who are paying the taxes for the system, not to subsidize tourists. Paris metro fares are very reasonable compared to any big city system I have used, much cheaper than some in the US. The goal wasn't to help out tourists to give them cheap transit. So the weekly passes starting on Monday were developed for local residents who use metro a lot for commuting. They didn't want to subsidize tourists. That's also why there is no children's fare (Parisian children have some other longer term pass options). I know it's hard to think that everything isn't designed just for what you personally might want, but that's the way it is. Paris metro has been around decades and that weekly pass system has also been around for decades, I was using it back in the 1980s (Carte Orange weekly or monthly) and it was that same time frame for the weekly one. The system was developed in the mid70s and before that pass, it was very complicated to buy different tickets for different areas etc. In fact, when it was first developed, it was only for workers and you needed employment proof to buy it.
Last edited by Rocket79; Jun 27th, 2024 at 10:01 AM.
Jun 28th, 2024 | 03:35 AM
#22
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Even for a Parisian, it is getting more confusing everyday. Products changing names, new products, different rules one product another (with Navigo Easy, transfer bus metro is not allowed; with Navigo Liberté +, it is ????).
Mainly 2 reasons: the metro network is expanding beyond Paris, raising questions on pricing (for example, to go to La Defense, different price wether you ride the metro or the RER). And going paperless (with limitations not obvious like: it is possible to buy a bus ticket to CDG with the Navigo easy but not a RER ticket???).
To add to the confusion, if you are used to other transit system, rules change one city another. Can you share your card with a travel mate? (Paris no, other cities yes). Can you adjust your fare when arriving (Paris no, Tokyo yes), and so on...
Mainly 2 reasons: the metro network is expanding beyond Paris, raising questions on pricing (for example, to go to La Defense, different price wether you ride the metro or the RER). And going paperless (with limitations not obvious like: it is possible to buy a bus ticket to CDG with the Navigo easy but not a RER ticket???).
To add to the confusion, if you are used to other transit system, rules change one city another. Can you share your card with a travel mate? (Paris no, other cities yes). Can you adjust your fare when arriving (Paris no, Tokyo yes), and so on...
Oct 26th, 2024 | 11:25 PM
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To add to the confusion, it is possible to buy a metro ticket (line 14) to/from Orly with the Navigo easy. If you already have one, you save the cost of the card (2€ ish) and more important, you beat the queue in Orly.
but there is a big "but". The card must be empty to buy a ticket to/from Orly. If there are regular metro tickets on the card, the system would not be able to know which one you want to use.
BTW, as from january, the fare grid will change in Ile-de-France with just one fare covering the whole network (ie Versailles, Fontainebleau, on top of Paris). Except for airports.
but there is a big "but". The card must be empty to buy a ticket to/from Orly. If there are regular metro tickets on the card, the system would not be able to know which one you want to use.
BTW, as from january, the fare grid will change in Ile-de-France with just one fare covering the whole network (ie Versailles, Fontainebleau, on top of Paris). Except for airports.
Last edited by rouelan; Oct 27th, 2024 at 12:16 AM.
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