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Aug 10th, 2015, 09:50 AM
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looks good, Mrs Bilbo went to school in Helmsley
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Aug 12th, 2015, 10:32 AM
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Thank you for the further suggestions, I really appreciate it as it is difficult to narrow down what we should see and what we will have to miss. I also appreciate the book suggestions as we have been trying to make reading lists to get ourselves into the spirit of things...we've already got a list of Harry Potter inspired sites to visit. I think my girls will enjoy The Whitby Witches series as well. Here's our new itinerary by the way which is of course open to suggestions, just trying to find a balance of not to touristy & commercial for adults but not dead boring for the kids...

Day 1:Arrive @ Manchester Airport; Train to York; look around Railway Museum as we have about an hour to spend due to check in at rental, pick up car & drive to cottage in Helmsley

Day 2: Helmsley Walled Garden, Helmsley to Rievaulx walk,
Sutton Bank, Mount Grace Priory

Day 3: Eden Camp, Nunnington Hall, Sunday Lunch somewhere (must have Yorkshire pudding in Yorkshire of course)

Day 4: Fountains Abbey, Ripon, Harrogate

Day 5: Train from Thirsk to York, city walking tour, York Minster, The Shambles, Jorvik? (some say it's great, some say a waste of time so still debating)

Day 6: Whitby, then south to Robin Hood’s Bay & Scarborough

Day 7: Aysgarth falls hike, explore some villages such as Masham and of course, Snape for my HP fans

Day 8: Leave Yorkshire & Drive to Cotswolds

Day 9: Winchcombe, Tewkesbury & Tewkesbury Abbey, Gloucester & the cathedral

Day 10: Stow-on-the-Wold, Hidcote, Broadway, Upper & Lower Slaughter

Day 11: St. Fagans, Chepstow or Raglan Castle as a possible stop off, Symonds Yat Rock

Day 12: Charlecote, Warwick, Stratford Upon Avon


Day 13: Mottisfont and/or Stourhead (not sure if there's enough time for both)


Day 14: Tetbury, Lacock Abbey, Bradford -on-Avon


I'd love suggestions for our drive from Helmsley to Bourton as we can not check in until 6:00 so we have some time to spend on the journey. Someplace to spend a couple hours and stretch and have some lunch. We thought about visiting Hardwick Hall in Derbyshire or The Workhouse in Southwell (both NT properties as we have membership which we'd like to put to use, but that's not mandatory).
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Aug 12th, 2015, 11:27 AM
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>>Day 5: Train from Thirsk to York, city walking tour, York Minster, The Shambles, Jorvik? (some say it's great, some say a waste of time so still debating)<<

Thoughts are divided on the Jorvik Center but kids usually do enjoy it. However there is NO division re the absolutely fabulous York Castle Museum. I'd go there for sure and then IF you have time do the Jorvik.

>>I'd love suggestions for our drive from Helmsley to Bourton<<

Driving straight through will be a 4+ hour drive at the best of times. A couple of things you might consider 1) drive to Oxford (also 4 hours) and park in a park-n-ride lot and spend a few hours exploring the city. 2) Drive to Woodstock (4 hours) and visit Blenheim Palace. 3) A little over 2 hours to Chatsworth House, and from there it would be about three hours to Bourton-on-the-water. Or probably easiest -- you could go to Warwick (about 3.5 hours from Helmsley and then about 1 hour from Bourton) and get it out of the way on your transfer day.
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Aug 12th, 2015, 12:32 PM
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looks like a terrific trip, but are you sure you mean Mottisfont/Stourhead? Whilst Stourhead is in the general area of the Cotswolds, Mottisfont is in Hampshire.

Where I think you mean is Montacute in Somerset - DH and I did both Stourhead and Montacute in a day, but I have quite a low boredom threshold. I would pick the one that you fancy most to start with, and then see what time you have left. Stourhead has a great pub for lunch called the Spread Eagle, so you might want to bear than in mind.

A place that you have missed off your list which I would think is a must is Wells - it's about 2 hours from Stratford and is more or less on the way to Stourhead which is another 30 mins on. The Cathedral, the close and the Bishop's Palace are magnificent - archetypal medieval buildings.

Sorry to add to your planning problems!
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Aug 12th, 2015, 12:51 PM
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Day 7 - don't miss Jervaulx Abbey which you will drive right past. Good teashop and lovely ruins to wander in.
http://www.jervaulxabbey.com/

Love that you are going to Snape - just down the road from me. Never seen another tourist anywhere near the village! You'll go past the castle which isn't open to the public but you can visit the chapel.
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Aug 13th, 2015, 06:36 AM
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I love the idea of the York Castle Museum in place of Jorvik ... I think it would be a great compromise that would please everyone. A question on Warwick, are there things to do there beyond the castle? I had it on the list because it wasn't far out of the way to take a look around, but I'm not really interested in the castle; it seems very over-commercialized not to mention expensive.

I show Mottisfont as about an hour and a half drive or so from Bourton; my step mother and I wanted to see the famous rose garden which should be blooming on our visit in June. As to Wells, it is the Cathedral I'd like to see more than any other to be honest and I've debated on how to squeeze it in. If I added it to our Mottisfont/Stourhead day it would make the most sense as it is close by but it would be a LONG day to be sure. Otherwise I could do Mottisfont & Lacock Abbey in the same day and then do a trip another day to Stourhead & Wells.

As to Jervaulx, I had thought about it, but we will be seeing Rievaulx & Fountains already and possibly Whitby... not sure if we can have too many ruined Abbey's in one trip?
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Aug 13th, 2015, 06:47 AM
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OK -- re Warwick: Love/Hate. Yes it is commercialized. But it is also one of the VERY best castles in the entire country. You can easily skip the schlockiest bits (like the 'Horrible Histories') and still see the fabulous state rooms, the interesting upstairs family quarters and walking the Castle walls. And the kids will enjoy the falconry exhibitions, etc. Then outside the castle walls is the town and the not to be missed St Mary's Church and it's truly glorious Beauchamp Chapel. I would not skip Warwick/the castle because of the commercialism -- just skip the most blatant features.
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Aug 13th, 2015, 07:01 AM
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York, look at the railway museum (it is free and the monster trains are there), don't bother with the Norman castle in the centre of York, you can climb the steps but the bill if you step in can be high and is not that great. Though if you have Jewish ancestry this is roughly where the Jewish population was burnt back in the 12/1300s
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Aug 13th, 2015, 07:04 AM
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Does http://www.nymr.co.uk/ have any interest for you?
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Aug 13th, 2015, 10:15 AM
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my eyebrows got some exercise when I read that it's only 90 mins from Bourton to Mottisfont but it turns out to be true! I'll go to the foot of our stairs, as my grandad used to say.


if you're going to do there I'd suggest going there first; you might be able to fit Wells in on the way back, depending on how long you stay there, the traffic etc.

As for Warwick apart from the Castle, there is also the Lord Leycester's Hospital but apart from that it's a nice little town but really no more than that and there are a lot of other places I would go to first - Wells being at the top of the list. Personally I would drop Warwick, Charlecote and Stratford for Wells any day.
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Aug 13th, 2015, 11:38 AM
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annhig: But they can do Warwick on the travel day between Yorkshire and the Cotswolds w/ barely a detour and free up other touring time other days. So they can do Warwick AND Wells.

And I definitely agree re the Lord Leycester Hospital. One used to be able to have lunch or afternoon tea there but I don't see any mention of that on the website.

*** OH -- just googled and yes you can - it just has its own website http://www.brethrenskitchen.co.uk ***
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Aug 13th, 2015, 12:13 PM
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good idea, jj. Hadn't thought of that. [and the tea shop wasn't there last time we went, probably about 6-7 years ago]

anyway, here's the website:

http://lordleycester.com/history/

perhaps the most famous Lord Leycester was Robert Dudley, Elizabeth I's Robin.

and here's something else to visit in Warwick:

http://www.gardenstovisit.net/hill-close-gardens/
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Aug 13th, 2015, 12:23 PM
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I first had lunch there in the early 80's and last time was maybe 7 or 8 years ago. It looks like maybe the tea room/cafe runs as a separate entity.
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Aug 13th, 2015, 01:20 PM
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Don't underestimate the time needed for some of the places on your list. We spent a whole day at Eden Camp and only just had enough time to see it all. It seems a shame to rush through there to fit in time for Nunnington Hall. We were disappointed by this compared with other NT places.
http://wasleys.org.uk/eleanor/statel...ton/index.html

Similarly it is quite easy to spend a whole day at St Fagans.

As well as Hidcot Gardens, have a think about Kiftsgate Gardens as well which is very close. These ae delightful, with fewer visitors and we prefered them to Hidcote.
http://www.kiftsgate.co.uk/

Don't miss Helmsley Castle and it is worth popping into the church to have a look at the C19th wall paintings which place Helmsley very much at the centre of the Christian religion.
http://wasleys.org.uk/eleanor/church...ley/index.html

If you want to see medieval wall paintings then try and fit in a visit to Pickering (a nice market town) and its church. These are some of the best wall paintings in the country and really do give a feel as to what a medieval church would have been like.
http://wasleys.org.uk/eleanor/church...ley/index.html

If you like old churches then it is worth finding the tiny St Gregory's Minster in Kirkdale with its 1000 year old sundial. Full details here:
http://wasleys.org.uk/eleanor/church...ale/index.html
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Aug 14th, 2015, 09:43 AM
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Fountains Abbey can eat up a lot of time, especially with Studlley Royal. To then go onto Ripon and Harrogate will be a very full day.

And you're missing Castle Howard. I know, I know, you can't see everything. But do go to the Castle Museum in York; everybody will enjoy that.
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