McDonald's in Europe? Godsend or Blight?
Dec 3rd, 2004, 03:34 PM
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This may be a frivolous reason, but I vote for "blight" because of their color scheme. I don't think red and yellow look good together (at least the may McD's does it). At least Starbuck's has a more acceptable shade of green.
I know I should be focusing more on how they treat their employees, the environment, etc., but sometimes I can't help being petty. Red and yellow = ug and ly.
I know I should be focusing more on how they treat their employees, the environment, etc., but sometimes I can't help being petty. Red and yellow = ug and ly.
Dec 3rd, 2004, 03:35 PM
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I think that Marc Bove, the French farmer bulldozed the local McDonalds because they get their food from contracted sources not in his area or not even in France at all. He would not have leveled it just because its a McDonalds.
Dec 3rd, 2004, 04:18 PM
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In Europe, not all McDonalds restaurants are "blights" or "have nothing to do with 'there'" ... like this one in Rouen:
http://www.virtualtourist.com/m/23f93/171cb/2/
http://www.virtualtourist.com/m/23f93/171cb/2/
Dec 3rd, 2004, 04:31 PM
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Well, that McD's is not bad looking at all.
As to my earlier post, what I didn't mention is that when McD's opened in our country neighborhood, there was a lot of protest because of it being an "eyesore." To McD's credit, they changed the color scheme (such as their trademark red roof) to green, to blend in as much as possible with the countryside (it didn't completely work, but they tried). Still, I think MOST are "blights."
As to my earlier post, what I didn't mention is that when McD's opened in our country neighborhood, there was a lot of protest because of it being an "eyesore." To McD's credit, they changed the color scheme (such as their trademark red roof) to green, to blend in as much as possible with the countryside (it didn't completely work, but they tried). Still, I think MOST are "blights."
Dec 3rd, 2004, 06:00 PM
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I'm not sure what "global predator" means. If you mean Starbucks does things like allow low wages and unjust labor practices on the coffee plantations of their suppliers, then I don't have anything to compare them to. I don't know how the suppliers of European coffee shops treat their workers by comparison (not the coffee shops, their suppliers). Maybe better, maybe worse, maybe the same. I haven't read any studies on it (there may be studies, but i haven't read them).
If by "global predator" you mean an American company taking over European businesses, then that's not my call to make. For example, if Boeing puts Airbus out of business (or vice versa), a lot of Europeans (or Americans) will end up unemployed. But it's market-driven.
I'm just saying that in this instance, as a tourist, I do judge "blight" by appearance. I do not independently research the environmental, labor, political, etc., policies of every American food and product I may encounter in Europe just so I can then boycott them when I see one.
So yeah, I judged them on appearance. I already admitted to being petty on this issue.
If by "global predator" you mean an American company taking over European businesses, then that's not my call to make. For example, if Boeing puts Airbus out of business (or vice versa), a lot of Europeans (or Americans) will end up unemployed. But it's market-driven.
I'm just saying that in this instance, as a tourist, I do judge "blight" by appearance. I do not independently research the environmental, labor, political, etc., policies of every American food and product I may encounter in Europe just so I can then boycott them when I see one.
So yeah, I judged them on appearance. I already admitted to being petty on this issue.
Dec 3rd, 2004, 06:05 PM
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Well, I guess, blight aside or not, I just can't imagine going to Europe and than going to McDonalds. But I do not go to them here. No, I am not a snob. I just hate fast food. I do go to small Mom & Pop run cafes. And family restaurants in Italy. I just gag on fast food.
But than, here we go again, I don't go to Walmarts either. Cheers!
But than, here we go again, I don't go to Walmarts either. Cheers!
Dec 3rd, 2004, 06:13 PM
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Re-reading my previous post, I think it came off a little too harsh. I do NOT support exploiting poorer nations just so yuppies can have a nice cup of coffee.
But as a tourist, I do not have the political and social agenda of each American company to base my decision on. All I have to go by is what I see. That's the point I was trying to make. Sorry for the previous rant.
But as a tourist, I do not have the political and social agenda of each American company to base my decision on. All I have to go by is what I see. That's the point I was trying to make. Sorry for the previous rant.
Dec 3rd, 2004, 06:38 PM
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My feelings on the subject vacillate as a function of three independent variables: hunger, bathroom needs, and the availability of local establishments as alternatives.
The intensity of the feelings of disfavor varies inversely with the frequency of occurrences of quality local alternatives. That is, the more good local facilities there are available, the less I like McDonalds.
If confronted with only 2 choices, and a good local establishment is next door to a McDonalds, I go in the local.
If either of the first two variables are above average levels of intensity, and no local is around, then I am quite receptive to McDonalds or whatever American chain happens to be available.
The status of feelings is subject to relatively rapid change.
For example, one Sunday morning in Paris, nothing around the hotel was open except McDonalds. I was NOT going to eat at the hotel! And McDonalds suddenly looked wonderful.
The next day, La Brioche Doree was open and I could get my morning pastry fix for breakfast! McDonalds suddenly lost status. (That is part of the downside of going to Paris, one has to eat so much pastry. Bakeries and bistros force that stuff on you all day long. I mean clerks pull me in off the street and mercilessly tempt me with strawberry tarts, blueberry cakes, and chocolate goodies. It's awful.)
The intensity of the feelings of disfavor varies inversely with the frequency of occurrences of quality local alternatives. That is, the more good local facilities there are available, the less I like McDonalds.
If confronted with only 2 choices, and a good local establishment is next door to a McDonalds, I go in the local.
If either of the first two variables are above average levels of intensity, and no local is around, then I am quite receptive to McDonalds or whatever American chain happens to be available.
The status of feelings is subject to relatively rapid change.
For example, one Sunday morning in Paris, nothing around the hotel was open except McDonalds. I was NOT going to eat at the hotel! And McDonalds suddenly looked wonderful.
The next day, La Brioche Doree was open and I could get my morning pastry fix for breakfast! McDonalds suddenly lost status. (That is part of the downside of going to Paris, one has to eat so much pastry. Bakeries and bistros force that stuff on you all day long. I mean clerks pull me in off the street and mercilessly tempt me with strawberry tarts, blueberry cakes, and chocolate goodies. It's awful.)
Dec 3rd, 2004, 09:12 PM
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Can someone tell me how many moans there have been about Italian restaurants in the US?
Or Indian restaurants in Britain?
Jose Bove destroyed a McD as a protest against the difficulty he was having in blighting US foodstores with his repulsive cheese. And when it comes to being a global predator in the food industry (or creating hideous buildings), there really is little the French need to learn from the US.
Why couldn't Bove export his fast food? Because the US was retaliating against totally illegal EU bans on US beef. Like all the welfare junkies that make up France's agribusiness, Bove believed only in his right to destroy other people's businesses whenever he couldn't get his own way.
In a civilised country, terrorists like this thug would still be in jail.
Or Indian restaurants in Britain?
Jose Bove destroyed a McD as a protest against the difficulty he was having in blighting US foodstores with his repulsive cheese. And when it comes to being a global predator in the food industry (or creating hideous buildings), there really is little the French need to learn from the US.
Why couldn't Bove export his fast food? Because the US was retaliating against totally illegal EU bans on US beef. Like all the welfare junkies that make up France's agribusiness, Bove believed only in his right to destroy other people's businesses whenever he couldn't get his own way.
In a civilised country, terrorists like this thug would still be in jail.
Dec 4th, 2004, 12:53 AM
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it seems that most of us who actually live in europe are a little more measured in our thoughts about this.
do i dislike mcdonalds? yes i do. i have no idea why they have their appeal with the bright lights, awful design, corporate formula food, etc. i have no idea why they are still "cool" with young people after so many decades. i also hate the effect they have on local business, health, beef processing, etc. i have read much of the literature on this problem so i know the issues.
however, as much as many people here do not want to admit it, mcds and the others are firmly entrenched in europe as far as demand among young people. kids in paris beg their parents to take them to mcds as much as american kids do. teenagers also.
the comment about spending a lot of money to go to europe to not see mcdonalds is kind of funny to me. europe is not a disneyland maintained for americans looking for stereotypical "european charm". these companies are a worldwide problem and i find it strange that you seem more concerned with the problems of mcds in europe than you do in your own country, especially since the problems are much worse in america.
maybe the only hope is that european youth will start to see american things as uncool - as seems to be the trend these days. However, i'm not sure that mcds is even seen as an american thing as it has been ubiquitous for so long in europe.
do i dislike mcdonalds? yes i do. i have no idea why they have their appeal with the bright lights, awful design, corporate formula food, etc. i have no idea why they are still "cool" with young people after so many decades. i also hate the effect they have on local business, health, beef processing, etc. i have read much of the literature on this problem so i know the issues.
however, as much as many people here do not want to admit it, mcds and the others are firmly entrenched in europe as far as demand among young people. kids in paris beg their parents to take them to mcds as much as american kids do. teenagers also.
the comment about spending a lot of money to go to europe to not see mcdonalds is kind of funny to me. europe is not a disneyland maintained for americans looking for stereotypical "european charm". these companies are a worldwide problem and i find it strange that you seem more concerned with the problems of mcds in europe than you do in your own country, especially since the problems are much worse in america.
maybe the only hope is that european youth will start to see american things as uncool - as seems to be the trend these days. However, i'm not sure that mcds is even seen as an american thing as it has been ubiquitous for so long in europe.
Dec 4th, 2004, 03:54 AM
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Ira...
I remember many moons ago going to the UK and their hamburger joints were called Wimpey's and I found them to be nearly inedible.
My British friends marvel at the efficiency of McDonald's how you walk in and indeed it is fast food; they are used to waiting for everything (except for perhaps a pint in a pub!)
All I know is that the McD's in London are always crowded and not by Americans visiting either (as are Burger Kinds, KFC's, Pizza Huts0. And of course all over London and throughout Scandanavia you see 7-11's...
But I still believe one of the nice things about McDonald's is that they don't have this paranoia about having non customers use their toilets although in many parts of Europe they have joined the tradition and you will find dragon ladies.....
I remember many moons ago going to the UK and their hamburger joints were called Wimpey's and I found them to be nearly inedible.
My British friends marvel at the efficiency of McDonald's how you walk in and indeed it is fast food; they are used to waiting for everything (except for perhaps a pint in a pub!)
All I know is that the McD's in London are always crowded and not by Americans visiting either (as are Burger Kinds, KFC's, Pizza Huts0. And of course all over London and throughout Scandanavia you see 7-11's...
But I still believe one of the nice things about McDonald's is that they don't have this paranoia about having non customers use their toilets although in many parts of Europe they have joined the tradition and you will find dragon ladies.....
