London/Hampton Court/Stratford-Upon-Avon in 5 Days?
May 27th, 2006, 02:41 AM
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London/Hampton Court/Stratford-Upon-Avon in 5 Days?
Hello, everyone. My wife and I are taking our two mid-teeners to London this July. It's their first trip to England; everyone wants to see a Shakespeare play. So I came up with this itinerary that has enough free time for shopping or other unscheduled sights to see, or for going back to see sights that were not explored enough. Could anyone comment on the feasibility of the schedule? Any other comments? Thanks.
—C_Rafael
DAY 1, FRI:
LONDON, late morning until evening—
Arrive from PARIS.
Buckingham Palace
Hyde Park Corner
Houses of Parliament
Big Ben
Westminster Abbey
Evening play: The Seagull
DAY 2, SAT:
LONDON, 6:30 AM—Leave on train for... STRATFORD-UPON-AVON
9:00 AM until 12:00 NN—
Shakespeare’ s birthplace
Anne Hathaway’s cottage
Trinity Church
12:00 NN-1:00 PM—
Lunch
1:30 until 4:30 PM—
Shakespeare play at RSC Theater: Romeo & Juliet
5:00 until 7:30 PM—
Stroll along Avon River, see rest of town
7:50 PM—
Leave on train for LONDON
DAY 3, SUN:
LONDON
Shopping
Theater matinee: The Representative
DAY 4, MON:
9:30 AM-2:30 PM: Leave for HAMPTON COURT (30 mins away) and back.
LONDON Shopping.
Evening musical: Billy Elliott
DAY 5, TUES:
LONDON:
Tower of London
Tower Bridge of London
London Bridge
St Paul's Cathedral.
Shopping: Harrod's, Fortnum and Mason.
Evening play: The Life of Galileo
DAY 6, WED: Leave for AMSTERDAM
—C_Rafael
DAY 1, FRI:
LONDON, late morning until evening—
Arrive from PARIS.
Buckingham Palace
Hyde Park Corner
Houses of Parliament
Big Ben
Westminster Abbey
Evening play: The Seagull
DAY 2, SAT:
LONDON, 6:30 AM—Leave on train for... STRATFORD-UPON-AVON
9:00 AM until 12:00 NN—
Shakespeare’ s birthplace
Anne Hathaway’s cottage
Trinity Church
12:00 NN-1:00 PM—
Lunch
1:30 until 4:30 PM—
Shakespeare play at RSC Theater: Romeo & Juliet
5:00 until 7:30 PM—
Stroll along Avon River, see rest of town
7:50 PM—
Leave on train for LONDON
DAY 3, SUN:
LONDON
Shopping
Theater matinee: The Representative
DAY 4, MON:
9:30 AM-2:30 PM: Leave for HAMPTON COURT (30 mins away) and back.
LONDON Shopping.
Evening musical: Billy Elliott
DAY 5, TUES:
LONDON:
Tower of London
Tower Bridge of London
London Bridge
St Paul's Cathedral.
Shopping: Harrod's, Fortnum and Mason.
Evening play: The Life of Galileo
DAY 6, WED: Leave for AMSTERDAM
May 27th, 2006, 06:08 AM
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Just a few quick comments - <u>everywhere</u> you have plugged in exact times (except for the theatre curtain times) you can throw out the window. It just doesn't work that way in a HUGE place like London. Plan on things taking longer or having delays.
On Sat - Just be prepared for longer train journeys. It may end up exactly to timetable, but weekends is when the rail companies often schedule track work so there can be delays or buses substituted for part of the route.
Except for Westminster Abbey, your sites slated on Friday are all just "walk by's" - none will take more than a few minutes. Not much to see at Hyde Park Corner (unless you visit Apsley House). I think you could plug in another major site on Fri since the only "inside and look around" place so far is the Abbey. I'd go to the Abbey very first thing the last admission is 3:45 and it can get very crowded.
There is not much reason to visit London Bridge. it is simply a modern concrete span. If you walk across Tower bridge you can walk up the south bank to the Globe - which has a great tour.
On Sat - Just be prepared for longer train journeys. It may end up exactly to timetable, but weekends is when the rail companies often schedule track work so there can be delays or buses substituted for part of the route.
Except for Westminster Abbey, your sites slated on Friday are all just "walk by's" - none will take more than a few minutes. Not much to see at Hyde Park Corner (unless you visit Apsley House). I think you could plug in another major site on Fri since the only "inside and look around" place so far is the Abbey. I'd go to the Abbey very first thing the last admission is 3:45 and it can get very crowded.
There is not much reason to visit London Bridge. it is simply a modern concrete span. If you walk across Tower bridge you can walk up the south bank to the Globe - which has a great tour.
May 27th, 2006, 08:19 AM
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Wow! What time are you stopping for tea? This sort of micro-planning lokks good on paper /screen but leaves little scope for exploring - surely the best bits of most trips are the bits you weren't expecting. And I agree that London [lived there for 10 + years] always takes more time than expected, and is more exhausting too. I would feel inclined to give yourselves a rest on the sunday you have scheduled for a matinee [are you sure, they are usually tues/weds and Sat] or go for a boat ride on the thames. Also leave one evening free for a meal in Chinatown [near all the theatres] which you teen will deinitely enjoy. Less is more!
May 27th, 2006, 08:41 AM
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It looks great if a tad ambitious. My only comments would be:
- That's a lot of plays!
- Hampton Court is Wonderful and may take more than half a day. You can take a boat there from London which is an excursion in itself, if a bit more time consuming.
- janisj is right about Friday. Maybe you can spend some time at Harrods or Fortnum's since they are in the vicinity (at least compared to their distance from the City from which you plan to visit them on Tuesday)
- If you are all Shakespeare lovers then definitely a trip to the Globe is a must. There is a lot happening on that side of the river these days.
- Take the Tube or you will sit in traffic most of the time!
Overall it looks great (as long as you have time to rest and eat!) Enjoy and remember you can always go back!
- That's a lot of plays!
- Hampton Court is Wonderful and may take more than half a day. You can take a boat there from London which is an excursion in itself, if a bit more time consuming.
- janisj is right about Friday. Maybe you can spend some time at Harrods or Fortnum's since they are in the vicinity (at least compared to their distance from the City from which you plan to visit them on Tuesday)
- If you are all Shakespeare lovers then definitely a trip to the Globe is a must. There is a lot happening on that side of the river these days.
- Take the Tube or you will sit in traffic most of the time!
Overall it looks great (as long as you have time to rest and eat!) Enjoy and remember you can always go back!
May 27th, 2006, 08:49 AM
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You have a bad case of over-planning .. you honestly need to lighten up on the time schedule or else you will not see anything (you will spend all your time consulting your watch and dashing about).
Maybe your teens are unique but I've spent my working life in a University and the overwhelming majority of young people I know/known are NOT keen on getting up early. That 6:30 a.m. train is pretty early
(for anyone on a vacation). You do realize you will have to be up quite a bit earlier then that (and if you are in a hotel room all together one bathroom will make that morning getting ready a real chore).
You are not taking into consideration that delays happen with London tube/trains, nor do you seem to be allowing for anything "spur of the moment". Many of those kinds of things end up being the most fun because they were unplanned to start with.
You might want to review this schedule and plan on "seeing" things, not just running by them looking at your watch. Things like eating take time .. crowds on the street can slow you down, and as I mentioned tube/train delays can upset a firm schedule too.
Also - it may be possible that your mid-teeners would enjoy visiting Camdem Market (or Portobello), young people I've known adored Camden Market.
Maybe your teens are unique but I've spent my working life in a University and the overwhelming majority of young people I know/known are NOT keen on getting up early. That 6:30 a.m. train is pretty early
(for anyone on a vacation). You do realize you will have to be up quite a bit earlier then that (and if you are in a hotel room all together one bathroom will make that morning getting ready a real chore).You are not taking into consideration that delays happen with London tube/trains, nor do you seem to be allowing for anything "spur of the moment". Many of those kinds of things end up being the most fun because they were unplanned to start with.
You might want to review this schedule and plan on "seeing" things, not just running by them looking at your watch. Things like eating take time .. crowds on the street can slow you down, and as I mentioned tube/train delays can upset a firm schedule too.
Also - it may be possible that your mid-teeners would enjoy visiting Camdem Market (or Portobello), young people I've known adored Camden Market.
May 27th, 2006, 09:13 AM
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If you really look at it, it's not that ambitious at all. All they are doing (aside from the plays) is:
Day 1 - exploring the Westminster area
Day 2 - Day trip to Stratford
Day 3 - Wide open
Day 4 - Only Hampton Court is really scheduled
Day 5 - Exploring the Tower area
It's not that bad!
Day 1 - exploring the Westminster area
Day 2 - Day trip to Stratford
Day 3 - Wide open
Day 4 - Only Hampton Court is really scheduled
Day 5 - Exploring the Tower area
It's not that bad!
May 27th, 2006, 09:26 AM
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I didn't mean to say it was over-ambitious - just over-planned/scheduled.
There is plenty of time to see what you want - just probably not when/at the specific times you have them planned.
Plus a few are sort of "non-sites" -- London Bridge, Hyde Park Corner.
(BTW - annig, <i>The Representative</i> is at the Finborough which does have Sun Matinees)
There is plenty of time to see what you want - just probably not when/at the specific times you have them planned.
Plus a few are sort of "non-sites" -- London Bridge, Hyde Park Corner.
(BTW - annig, <i>The Representative</i> is at the Finborough which does have Sun Matinees)
May 27th, 2006, 09:39 AM
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Well - we never plan so much - just have a list of what we want to do and plan only those things tht we can't control (going to Ascot or a particular play performance).
My only comment is that you seem to have left a ton of time for shopping and nothing for visiting any of the London Museums. Never mind the British Museum and the V&A (and I can;t imagine visitng London without seeing both) there are a ton of specialized museums that I think young teens would love - many with interactive exhibits - for instance the Museum of the Moving Image (I think it's called - covering radio, tv and movies and giving kids a chance to intract with characters and take part in plays or "movies".)
My only comment is that you seem to have left a ton of time for shopping and nothing for visiting any of the London Museums. Never mind the British Museum and the V&A (and I can;t imagine visitng London without seeing both) there are a ton of specialized museums that I think young teens would love - many with interactive exhibits - for instance the Museum of the Moving Image (I think it's called - covering radio, tv and movies and giving kids a chance to intract with characters and take part in plays or "movies".)
May 27th, 2006, 10:05 AM
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Yes, drop the trip to Stratford and take a tour of the Globe Theater and/or see a play there. I found Stratford too touristy.
I agree with nytraveler that the museums in London are great and they're usually free. At least drop into the British Museum, just to see the courtyard and a quick sampling of the contents. Another interesting museum is the Cabinet War Rooms.
You also omitted the London Eye. This is something the kids might enjoy.
We enjoy walking tours and the Original Walking Tour company offers a wide variety.
I agree with nytraveler that the museums in London are great and they're usually free. At least drop into the British Museum, just to see the courtyard and a quick sampling of the contents. Another interesting museum is the Cabinet War Rooms.
You also omitted the London Eye. This is something the kids might enjoy.
We enjoy walking tours and the Original Walking Tour company offers a wide variety.
May 27th, 2006, 10:56 AM
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And FWIW, the OP said it's the two kids first time to the UK. The omission of museums may be intentional. Looks like they're theater people. Maybe they don't like museums. Possibly they've got museums scheduled in Paris or Amsterdam. I just wouldn't assume.
nytraveler, I thought the MOMI closed years ago.
nytraveler, I thought the MOMI closed years ago.
May 27th, 2006, 11:00 AM
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Day 3: Most of the big shops on Regent & Oxford Streets and in Covent Garden don't open until 11 or noon. Shopping prior to the matinee might be brief.
Agree that teens would enjoy Camden but it doesn't get going until later in the morning, again the theater conflict.
As someone said, if the family opted for Shakespeare at the Globe instead of a day trip to Stratford, they could do Camden Market Saturday morning and free up a little more time for serendipity.
Day 3: Most of the big shops on Regent & Oxford Streets and in Covent Garden don't open until 11 or noon. Shopping prior to the matinee might be brief.
Agree that teens would enjoy Camden but it doesn't get going until later in the morning, again the theater conflict.
As someone said, if the family opted for Shakespeare at the Globe instead of a day trip to Stratford, they could do Camden Market Saturday morning and free up a little more time for serendipity.
May 28th, 2006, 02:03 AM
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I'd also go for the globe rather than trooping all the way to Stratford - it sounds as if seeing a Shakespeare play is your priority and you'll find the globe far more interesting. You can do a tour of the theatre too and then spend the rest of the time on some of the many other attractions in the area. The London Eye, a Frog tour, county hall aquarium, the Bramah Tea museum, the south bank itself with bookstalls and buskers/performers/lovely riverside, the Salvador Dali exhibition, theIMAX cinema, the National Theatre, the National Film museum....etc etc....
London Bridge - don't bother, modern concrete bridge. You get the chance to see lots of bridges far nicer on the rest of the trip.
Westminster day - I know you've just got in on that day but as most of the sites are fairly quick 'walk pasts' you might enjoy crossing Westminster Bridge and exploring the south bank a little too.
Hyde Park corner - why? Or were you thinking of speakers corner (lots of people up on their soapbox proclaiming about everything under the sun). Otherwise Hyde Park = big expanse of grass, nice place to chill out if you have time, but not really a priority place to visit.
You seem pretty keen on shopping. You might want to look around the Covent Garden area for some interesting shops combined with the buskers/entertainers and the transport museum. There is also a museum of theatre there too.
London Bridge - don't bother, modern concrete bridge. You get the chance to see lots of bridges far nicer on the rest of the trip.
Westminster day - I know you've just got in on that day but as most of the sites are fairly quick 'walk pasts' you might enjoy crossing Westminster Bridge and exploring the south bank a little too.
Hyde Park corner - why? Or were you thinking of speakers corner (lots of people up on their soapbox proclaiming about everything under the sun). Otherwise Hyde Park = big expanse of grass, nice place to chill out if you have time, but not really a priority place to visit.
You seem pretty keen on shopping. You might want to look around the Covent Garden area for some interesting shops combined with the buskers/entertainers and the transport museum. There is also a museum of theatre there too.
May 28th, 2006, 07:05 AM
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The Globe is definitely a reasonable substitution for Stratford. But if the family really is into Theatre/Shakespeare I surely understand you wanting to go to the RSC. Since this year they are doing the "Complete Works" - for the first and only time anywhere in the world it is truly a special case.
This Romeo/Juliet doesn't have any of the theatre "lions" as some of the other Complete Works - but will probably still be pretty good.
Only you can decide seeing if attending a part of the Complete Works Festival is worth taking time from your very limited time in London.
This Romeo/Juliet doesn't have any of the theatre "lions" as some of the other Complete Works - but will probably still be pretty good.
Only you can decide seeing if attending a part of the Complete Works Festival is worth taking time from your very limited time in London.
May 28th, 2006, 07:09 AM
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Oh - meant to add - if you DID mean Speakers' Corner instead of Hyde Park Corner - that is a Sunday thing so no reason to go on a Friday. (I woun't bother on the Sunday either unless you were in London longer, or if you were going to Hyde Park/the art displays anyway)
May 28th, 2006, 12:12 PM
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Just a couple of notes:
I think the 6.30 a.m. train to Stratford is unrealistic...at least it would be unrealistic with my kids ;-) I too, would leave Stratford for a future trip through the English countryside and substitute the Globe (both for a tour and a show).
One person suggested the Museum of the Moving Image. Unfortunately, that closed several years ago. Other sites that I would suggest for mid-teens include the Science Museum, Museum of London, London Eye, Covent Garden shops, an amphibious "Duck Tour" on the Thames (maybe, or maybe just a ride on the commuter boats along the river)...
Be sure to allocate enough time to Tower of London, and to go first thing in the morning to avoid long lines. Tower Bride is neat to look at and maybe your kids would enjoy the Tower Bridge Exhbition, but it isn't a "must see". Westminster Abbey is another sight that deserves a decent amount of time to explore...not sure if teenagers will want to spend as much time there as adults. Suggest that you see the Da Vinci Code movie before you go to add peak interest in the Abbey.
Have a great trip.
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I think the 6.30 a.m. train to Stratford is unrealistic...at least it would be unrealistic with my kids ;-) I too, would leave Stratford for a future trip through the English countryside and substitute the Globe (both for a tour and a show).
One person suggested the Museum of the Moving Image. Unfortunately, that closed several years ago. Other sites that I would suggest for mid-teens include the Science Museum, Museum of London, London Eye, Covent Garden shops, an amphibious "Duck Tour" on the Thames (maybe, or maybe just a ride on the commuter boats along the river)...
Be sure to allocate enough time to Tower of London, and to go first thing in the morning to avoid long lines. Tower Bride is neat to look at and maybe your kids would enjoy the Tower Bridge Exhbition, but it isn't a "must see". Westminster Abbey is another sight that deserves a decent amount of time to explore...not sure if teenagers will want to spend as much time there as adults. Suggest that you see the Da Vinci Code movie before you go to add peak interest in the Abbey.
Have a great trip.
Dave
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May 29th, 2006, 03:35 AM
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What others have said, about simply needing to allow more time padded into the schedule, and the 6.27 (not 6.30!) train to Stratford. Bear in mind that even the London mainline stations can take time to travel to - Marylebone, for that Stratford run, is four miles away by road from Waterloo.
May 31st, 2006, 10:31 AM
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Wow, wow, wow! Thanks everybody, for the comments! I'm so sorry I got back to this post only now. I thought I could take my time getting back after a few days, but now I see that presumption was all wrong...reading all this helpful feedback.
I note a lot of people's comments on the micro-planning. We don't really intend to stick to things if we get too tired by the schedule. But our priority, as amaclis, nona1, janisj, obxgirl noted, is theater...more like a play every day.
And yes, janisj, you're right about the importance of the RSC for the Shakespeare play. My kids have just finished taking up R&J in school. We don't really care about the Globe thing, but we want to see the RSC, as my wife and I saw their Henry VI Part 3...on the 1995 international tour...with the house ensemble and without a single theater star...and it was just absolutely GREAT stuff. And yet, the thought of waking up at 5:30 AM to catch the 6:27 to Stratford and retruning later in the day...well, it does seem tiring. So, at this point, we'll just play it by ear. Just hope we can gat seats on Stratford if we decide to go on that day. Otherwise, it's the Globe in London for us. Besides, I understand, the Globe is currently running a successful Coriolanus.
My parents took me to Hampton Court when I was a young teenager and I fondly remember it to this day. My daughter will probably enjoy it even more as she's deeply into history in a way even I wasn't at her age. That's a priority.
As to mseums, obxgirl's right: We've skedded the Louvre and the Rijksmuseum, both classic works museums in Paris and Amsterdam. So maybe the impressionistic Turners at the the Tate Britain or the modern works at Tate Modern are the way to go in London, rather than another classics museumlike the National Gallery...that is, if the teeners aren't overloaded by it all.
Yes, Speaker's Corner in Hyde Park is what I meant. Or some other place where people can go wild with expressing themselves.
I just put "shopping" as a catch-all description of what should be really "free time to do anything else we might have missed". But one day of just shopping ought to scheduled.
Thanks again, everyone.
Based on everyone's comments, I'm revising the sked to something like this:
Day 1, Fri
Westminster Abbey
Houses of Parliament
Big Ben
Buckingham Palace
The Mall or South Bank (if time)
Evening play: The Seagull
Day 2, Sat
Fortnum and Mason's
Harrod's
Camden Market
London Eye
Covent Gaden (if time)
Day 3, Sun
Speaker's Corner, Hyde Park
Theater matinee: The Representative
Theater evening: Antony and Cleopatra (Globe, London)
Day 4, Mon
Hampton Court and back, by boat on Thames
Tate Britain (just for Turners) OR British Museum OR Cabinet War Rooms (if time)
Evening musical: Billy Elliott
Day 5, Tues
Tower Bridge of London
Tower of London
St Paul's Cathedral
Evening play: The Life of Galileo
PLEASE COMMENT FURTHER IF YOU SO WISH. THANKS!
I note a lot of people's comments on the micro-planning. We don't really intend to stick to things if we get too tired by the schedule. But our priority, as amaclis, nona1, janisj, obxgirl noted, is theater...more like a play every day.
And yes, janisj, you're right about the importance of the RSC for the Shakespeare play. My kids have just finished taking up R&J in school. We don't really care about the Globe thing, but we want to see the RSC, as my wife and I saw their Henry VI Part 3...on the 1995 international tour...with the house ensemble and without a single theater star...and it was just absolutely GREAT stuff. And yet, the thought of waking up at 5:30 AM to catch the 6:27 to Stratford and retruning later in the day...well, it does seem tiring. So, at this point, we'll just play it by ear. Just hope we can gat seats on Stratford if we decide to go on that day. Otherwise, it's the Globe in London for us. Besides, I understand, the Globe is currently running a successful Coriolanus.
My parents took me to Hampton Court when I was a young teenager and I fondly remember it to this day. My daughter will probably enjoy it even more as she's deeply into history in a way even I wasn't at her age. That's a priority.
As to mseums, obxgirl's right: We've skedded the Louvre and the Rijksmuseum, both classic works museums in Paris and Amsterdam. So maybe the impressionistic Turners at the the Tate Britain or the modern works at Tate Modern are the way to go in London, rather than another classics museumlike the National Gallery...that is, if the teeners aren't overloaded by it all.
Yes, Speaker's Corner in Hyde Park is what I meant. Or some other place where people can go wild with expressing themselves.
I just put "shopping" as a catch-all description of what should be really "free time to do anything else we might have missed". But one day of just shopping ought to scheduled.
Thanks again, everyone.
Based on everyone's comments, I'm revising the sked to something like this:
Day 1, Fri
Westminster Abbey
Houses of Parliament
Big Ben
Buckingham Palace
The Mall or South Bank (if time)
Evening play: The Seagull
Day 2, Sat
Fortnum and Mason's
Harrod's
Camden Market
London Eye
Covent Gaden (if time)
Day 3, Sun
Speaker's Corner, Hyde Park
Theater matinee: The Representative
Theater evening: Antony and Cleopatra (Globe, London)
Day 4, Mon
Hampton Court and back, by boat on Thames
Tate Britain (just for Turners) OR British Museum OR Cabinet War Rooms (if time)
Evening musical: Billy Elliott
Day 5, Tues
Tower Bridge of London
Tower of London
St Paul's Cathedral
Evening play: The Life of Galileo
PLEASE COMMENT FURTHER IF YOU SO WISH. THANKS!
May 31st, 2006, 10:44 AM
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Just a couple of minor bits:
On theh Tues go to the Tower very first thing. Don't leav it until later in the day because is just gets more and more crowded. Plan on being at the Tower right at opening time. Head straight to the Jewel House to miss the long queues, then back to near the entrance to catch one of the free Beefeater tours. Thentake a look at Tower Bridge, and then on to St Paul's
And for Hampton Court - Not sure if this is what you meant - but don't go both ways by boat. That will take more than 6 hours out of your day just for the river trips. Take the train to the Palace and then take the boat back - IF the weather is decent. If not, just take the train back.
On theh Tues go to the Tower very first thing. Don't leav it until later in the day because is just gets more and more crowded. Plan on being at the Tower right at opening time. Head straight to the Jewel House to miss the long queues, then back to near the entrance to catch one of the free Beefeater tours. Thentake a look at Tower Bridge, and then on to St Paul's
And for Hampton Court - Not sure if this is what you meant - but don't go both ways by boat. That will take more than 6 hours out of your day just for the river trips. Take the train to the Palace and then take the boat back - IF the weather is decent. If not, just take the train back.
Jun 1st, 2006, 09:41 PM
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Thanks, janisj. I'll keep in mind your tips about doing the Thames boat ride only one way between London and Hampton Court, and doing the Tpwer of London ASAP.
Everyone, thanks very much for all the help!!!
Everyone, thanks very much for all the help!!!
Jun 1st, 2006, 10:22 PM
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The "Globe thing" is a rare opportunity to get an insight into why Shakespeare wrote his plays the way he did and how they were performed for an audience. By all means go to Stratford if you've the energy and the logistics on your side, but I would drop one of your other plays and substitute the Globe.
Also, I will put in a plug for the National PORTRAIT Gallery and even more so, The British Museum, whose architecture is simply breathtaking. Both are free.
Also, I will put in a plug for the National PORTRAIT Gallery and even more so, The British Museum, whose architecture is simply breathtaking. Both are free.
