London 3 day trip
Jan 9th, 2011, 05:48 PM
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Thank you all for your advice!
I love the idea of walking to Hyde Park on the day of arrival and visiting the museums if we are up for it.
I also love the idea of walking to Harrods one evening after supper, as I see it is open until 8:00. We have a tiny hotel room, so that sounds perfect!
I also was disappointed not to be able to fit the British Museum in, so what a great idea to do it the morning we fly to Barcelona!
europeannovice - thank you, too, for the suggestion of the Cabinet War Rooms before the London Eye. Perfect suggestion.
I've just read that seeing the London Eye at dusk is a wonderful time so that you can see lights but still see the buildings. What time is dusk in July in London?
Thank you, as well, for the transit advice!!
I love the idea of walking to Hyde Park on the day of arrival and visiting the museums if we are up for it.
I also love the idea of walking to Harrods one evening after supper, as I see it is open until 8:00. We have a tiny hotel room, so that sounds perfect!
I also was disappointed not to be able to fit the British Museum in, so what a great idea to do it the morning we fly to Barcelona!
europeannovice - thank you, too, for the suggestion of the Cabinet War Rooms before the London Eye. Perfect suggestion.
I've just read that seeing the London Eye at dusk is a wonderful time so that you can see lights but still see the buildings. What time is dusk in July in London?
Thank you, as well, for the transit advice!!
Jan 9th, 2011, 06:51 PM
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I don't know your exact dates -- sunset shortens by 30 minutes between July 1 and 31 -- but this site lets you figure sunrise/sunset
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldcloc...omy.html?n=136
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldcloc...omy.html?n=136
Jan 9th, 2011, 07:11 PM
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Thank you, janisj
Yet another question...
I'm seeing a lot of sense in going to Westminster Abbey at the start. This would mean, however, that we would not see the Changing of the Horse Guards at all. Opinions... is it worth it to go to the Horse Guards and chance the crowds of the Abbey around 2:00 pm? Or is it best to skip the Guards and be at the Abbey at 9:30 opening. We are in London in mid-July. We are also Canadian, so the pomp and circumstance is pretty exciting to us. Our boys, however, will probably not know what they are missing...
Thoughts from those who have experience in the area?
Yet another question...
I'm seeing a lot of sense in going to Westminster Abbey at the start. This would mean, however, that we would not see the Changing of the Horse Guards at all. Opinions... is it worth it to go to the Horse Guards and chance the crowds of the Abbey around 2:00 pm? Or is it best to skip the Guards and be at the Abbey at 9:30 opening. We are in London in mid-July. We are also Canadian, so the pomp and circumstance is pretty exciting to us. Our boys, however, will probably not know what they are missing...
Thoughts from those who have experience in the area?
Jan 9th, 2011, 07:43 PM
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hi jtw,
I'd skip the changing of the guards. I live in London and every time i have visitors, they want to see the changing of the guards and every single one of them is disappointed.
So a good day 1 would be:
Westminster Abbey, Big Ben/ Parliament*, London eye**, walk to Trafalgar square. Take a break. Head over to Covent Garden for the evening and see the buskers etc that kids love.
*these are both 'pass by's, i.e. you can only view them from the street.
**unless you want to see the london view at night of course.
Day 2:
Tower of London, Tower Bridge.
Thames cruise to St. Pauls/ Tate Modern docks. Take a peek in the ground floor of Tate Modern even if you don't want a full visit. Its free and takes 5 minutes and its a wonderful space. Walk across Millenium bridge to St Pauls.
Note: When at the Tower of London, if the line to see the crown jewels is very long, I would vote to skip it. If you really want to see them, then I'd suggest that you do that 1st. Then head back to the entrance and join one of the free beafeater tours. They are entertaining and informative.
Do check to see that neither Day 1 or 2 are a Sunday as the Abbey and Cathedral are only open for services on Sunday.
Welcome to London and have fun!
I'd skip the changing of the guards. I live in London and every time i have visitors, they want to see the changing of the guards and every single one of them is disappointed.
So a good day 1 would be:
Westminster Abbey, Big Ben/ Parliament*, London eye**, walk to Trafalgar square. Take a break. Head over to Covent Garden for the evening and see the buskers etc that kids love.
*these are both 'pass by's, i.e. you can only view them from the street.
**unless you want to see the london view at night of course.
Day 2:
Tower of London, Tower Bridge.
Thames cruise to St. Pauls/ Tate Modern docks. Take a peek in the ground floor of Tate Modern even if you don't want a full visit. Its free and takes 5 minutes and its a wonderful space. Walk across Millenium bridge to St Pauls.
Note: When at the Tower of London, if the line to see the crown jewels is very long, I would vote to skip it. If you really want to see them, then I'd suggest that you do that 1st. Then head back to the entrance and join one of the free beafeater tours. They are entertaining and informative.
Do check to see that neither Day 1 or 2 are a Sunday as the Abbey and Cathedral are only open for services on Sunday.
Welcome to London and have fun!
Jan 10th, 2011, 07:46 AM
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If you are there on a Friday and want to see the changing of the guards without waiting long and really be able to see them, I suggest joining the London Walks Royal London walk held on Friday's. We took them and met at the Green Park tube station. They take you to a street where the guards pass right by you. We have close up pictures of them with no one in front of us blocking the view. It was superb. I probably shouldn't be telling all now.
After that they break you up into small groups because the Abbey requires it, take you into the cloisters entrance and do a 45 minute tour in the Abbey. Probably not as extensive as a verger tour but it was good enough for us since the Abbey was jam packed crowded with other tourists. We enjoyed climbing to the top of St Paul's a lot more.
After that they break you up into small groups because the Abbey requires it, take you into the cloisters entrance and do a 45 minute tour in the Abbey. Probably not as extensive as a verger tour but it was good enough for us since the Abbey was jam packed crowded with other tourists. We enjoyed climbing to the top of St Paul's a lot more.
Jan 10th, 2011, 09:04 AM
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europeannovice - would you mind expanding on what you saw on the walk? It sounds very appealing. Also, can you prebook? What is the cost? We will be in London on a Friday/Saturday in mid-July, so if we can't prebook, how early would we arrive?
Thanks!
Thanks!
Jan 10th, 2011, 11:01 AM
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"<i>so if we can't prebook, how early would we arrive?</i>"
You just arrive at the appointed time outside the tube station. No need to get there more than 5 minutes early. Just don't be late.
Here is the website that describes all their walks.
http://www.walks.com/
You just arrive at the appointed time outside the tube station. No need to get there more than 5 minutes early. Just don't be late.
Here is the website that describes all their walks.
http://www.walks.com/
Jan 10th, 2011, 11:01 AM
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JTW999,
You don't prebook. You just show up at the designated time which for us was 10:45AM at the Green Park tube station. I think it is the same every week. You walk through the park and the guide tells you some tidbits of info and you view some of the streets surrounding the area as you approach their choice spot near Buckingham Palace for the guards to pass by. Our guide Tom Hooper was really funny and informative. I think it costs around 8 pounds per person. If it rains, they don't do the changing of the guards at Buckingham Palace so bear that in mind. I don't know how much rain it takes for them to cancel. Locals will know the answer to that. Then the walk would include some streets and the Abbey instead of the guard change and the Abbey. I think they mention that on the website.
Check out the London walks website--I think it is www.walks.com They will have a list of all the walks. This one was called Royal London and Westminster Abbey.
Some people prefer the verger tour of the Abbey which is longer and more in depth but like I said we thought the 45 minutes the London walks folks guided us through was sufficient. They covered the coronation chair and poets corner and you enter through the cloisters among a few other spots in the Abbey.
That same day my mother in law and I joined the National Gallery tour with London walks too for a narration of some terrific paintings while son and DH went to the Ben Franklin House to tour there and we met up afterwards at Saint Martin in the Field to do brass rubbings which was fun.
You don't prebook. You just show up at the designated time which for us was 10:45AM at the Green Park tube station. I think it is the same every week. You walk through the park and the guide tells you some tidbits of info and you view some of the streets surrounding the area as you approach their choice spot near Buckingham Palace for the guards to pass by. Our guide Tom Hooper was really funny and informative. I think it costs around 8 pounds per person. If it rains, they don't do the changing of the guards at Buckingham Palace so bear that in mind. I don't know how much rain it takes for them to cancel. Locals will know the answer to that. Then the walk would include some streets and the Abbey instead of the guard change and the Abbey. I think they mention that on the website.
Check out the London walks website--I think it is www.walks.com They will have a list of all the walks. This one was called Royal London and Westminster Abbey.
Some people prefer the verger tour of the Abbey which is longer and more in depth but like I said we thought the 45 minutes the London walks folks guided us through was sufficient. They covered the coronation chair and poets corner and you enter through the cloisters among a few other spots in the Abbey.
That same day my mother in law and I joined the National Gallery tour with London walks too for a narration of some terrific paintings while son and DH went to the Ben Franklin House to tour there and we met up afterwards at Saint Martin in the Field to do brass rubbings which was fun.
Jan 10th, 2011, 11:38 AM
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Than you janisj and europeannovice! That sounds like a great idea.
texasbookwork - Can I see if I have this travel stuff right?
So, we'll buy an Oyster Card to get from Heathrow to our hotel (close to Victoria station). Do we need 5 separate Oyster cards? Our boys will be 8, 11, and 13. Our youngest is quite tall for his age and looks much older. Should we order three photo Oyster Cards online before we go? How much would you suggest putting on for $$? Do we get it back if we cash it in somehow when we leave from Heathrow?
Then, we'll buy a 2 day paper Travelcard to take advantage of the 2for1 deals. I have found the site and will print the ones that we'll need. Again do we buy 5 Travelcards? Do we have to buy it on the AM of the first day we chose to use it? Or is it activated at its first use? I understand these need to be purchased from a Train Station, such as the Victoria Station. Is there anything else?
Thank you so much for your help. It's all very confusing, but I'm sure it will seem straightforward eventually!
texasbookwork - Can I see if I have this travel stuff right?
So, we'll buy an Oyster Card to get from Heathrow to our hotel (close to Victoria station). Do we need 5 separate Oyster cards? Our boys will be 8, 11, and 13. Our youngest is quite tall for his age and looks much older. Should we order three photo Oyster Cards online before we go? How much would you suggest putting on for $$? Do we get it back if we cash it in somehow when we leave from Heathrow?
Then, we'll buy a 2 day paper Travelcard to take advantage of the 2for1 deals. I have found the site and will print the ones that we'll need. Again do we buy 5 Travelcards? Do we have to buy it on the AM of the first day we chose to use it? Or is it activated at its first use? I understand these need to be purchased from a Train Station, such as the Victoria Station. Is there anything else?
Thank you so much for your help. It's all very confusing, but I'm sure it will seem straightforward eventually!
Jan 10th, 2011, 02:45 PM
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I will explore the TFL sight for a minute and let you know what I find out about kids--you should also look at this sight and get familiar with it, too, because you will want to check it for Tube info, like planned works or shutdowns, at the very least before you leave home (we checked it daily, so if you have internet access it's a good idea.)
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/
And as for how much--really do ask the agent from whom you purchase--he/she will be much more accurate than I--and yes, if you have time as you leave, you can turn cards in and get refund. We did that once; last time we were rushed, and I'm going back this June, so I just kept the cards.
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/
And as for how much--really do ask the agent from whom you purchase--he/she will be much more accurate than I--and yes, if you have time as you leave, you can turn cards in and get refund. We did that once; last time we were rushed, and I'm going back this June, so I just kept the cards.
Jan 10th, 2011, 02:57 PM
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I am not sure--and I don't know how old your kids are--
but it might be that:
if one is 8-10 he/she travels free if adult has Oyster card
if 8-10 he/she might need his/her own one-day card on the day adults buy one-day cards, but he/she would get child rate
between 11 and 18 gets reduced rates, on Oyster PAYG or one-day paper tickets
So I THINK 11 and older would need own card, whether Oyter PAYG or oneday paper ticket. 10 and under would not need Oyster when traveling with adult but would need oneday paper ticket.
I am willling to be corrected!!! I reiterate that agents will help.
but it might be that:
if one is 8-10 he/she travels free if adult has Oyster card
if 8-10 he/she might need his/her own one-day card on the day adults buy one-day cards, but he/she would get child rate
between 11 and 18 gets reduced rates, on Oyster PAYG or one-day paper tickets
So I THINK 11 and older would need own card, whether Oyter PAYG or oneday paper ticket. 10 and under would not need Oyster when traveling with adult but would need oneday paper ticket.
I am willling to be corrected!!! I reiterate that agents will help.
Jan 10th, 2011, 05:52 PM
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Oh, I see your guys' ages now! I wouldn't order anything ahead; if I read it right, photo only needed for child's card if he's traveling alone. Plus you have to pay shipping if you order cards to be mailed. There are no two-day tickets; you will need to buy one-day travel tickets for the day you want to use the 2for1 vouchers (I THINK you'd need 4 of these, 2 adult and the 2 older ones), using the Oyster PAYG (again, 4 of them) for the rest of your travel. In 2008 we bought our one-day passes the night before--check on that for current confirmation of that as some things have changed I think.
Jan 10th, 2011, 06:02 PM
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If we were to go on the Friday AM London Walks tour of Royal London and Westminster Abbey, what would we see besides Buckingham Palace and Westminster Abbey? In other words, does anyone know the route? I can't find it online.
If we do go with this plan, it would be helpful to know what all we would see when we are planning the rest of our time in London. Unfortunately our short stay won't allow for repeat sightseeing!!
If we do go with this plan, it would be helpful to know what all we would see when we are planning the rest of our time in London. Unfortunately our short stay won't allow for repeat sightseeing!!
Jan 10th, 2011, 06:06 PM
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Oops! I missed your reply, texasbookworm. Thank you for the info!!
If we are using the 2 for 1 vouchers on two days, I'm guessing we'd need to buy the Travel Pass each of those days?
I think we'd use the Tower Bridge Excursion and the Tower of London vouchers one day, plus the London Eye and City Cruise the next.
If we are using the 2 for 1 vouchers on two days, I'm guessing we'd need to buy the Travel Pass each of those days?
I think we'd use the Tower Bridge Excursion and the Tower of London vouchers one day, plus the London Eye and City Cruise the next.
Jan 11th, 2011, 05:52 AM
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Our ten year old traveled free. We had two adult paper travel cards.
As far as the London Walks tour, it is a two hour tour and they stop for you to see the guards marching by you plus you spend 45 minutes in the Abbey. It takes a few minutes to break people up into small groups before entering the Abbey so a few minutes is wasted in doing that but that goes quick. You start by meeting at the entrance to the Green Park tube station and walk through Green park, you pass a few streets and alleys (I don't recall the names) and they point out who lived where at some of the facades. Then you are planted at a spot for the guard viewing. From there you break into groups and proceed to the Abbey for a guided tour.
We had plenty of time after the Abbey tour to see other things that day. As I mentioned, my mother in law and I went over to the National Gallery to do another one of London Walks tours so they walked us through some of the highlights (famous paintings--Vemeer etc.) at the museum. However, DH and son wandered over to the Ben Franklin House. Son did a paper on Franklin at school so he enjoyed the tour of the house and show. After that there was time left to peek into the National Portrait Gallery and St Martin in the Fields for brass rubbings. Note that the National Gallery and National Portrait Gallery are open until 9PM on Fridays.
Basically, your two days could look like this:
Day 1
Changing of the Guards--see outside of Buckingham Palace
Westminster Abbey
Trafalgar Square
National Gallery
St Martin the Field
National Portrait Gallery
Leicester Square--restaurants and theater district
We ate at J Sheekey a great fish restaurant near Leicester Square but it is quite expensive. There are plenty of other restaurants in the area in all price ranges.
National Gallery, National Portrait Gallery and St Martin are right across the street from each other in Trafalgar Square.
Day 2
--Tower of London-see crown jewels first then pick up Beefeater tour and don't miss the arms and armour exhibit at the White Tower
--Walk onto Tower Bridge
--Come back to boat dock pick up City Cruise to Westminster
--See Parliament and Big Ben
--Walk to Cabinet War Rooms open until 6PM I think
--Walk across Westminster Bridge to London Eye
That covers a lot of ground in two days. It doesn't cover St Paul though--maybe someone can suggest how to squeeze it in if desired.
As far as the London Walks tour, it is a two hour tour and they stop for you to see the guards marching by you plus you spend 45 minutes in the Abbey. It takes a few minutes to break people up into small groups before entering the Abbey so a few minutes is wasted in doing that but that goes quick. You start by meeting at the entrance to the Green Park tube station and walk through Green park, you pass a few streets and alleys (I don't recall the names) and they point out who lived where at some of the facades. Then you are planted at a spot for the guard viewing. From there you break into groups and proceed to the Abbey for a guided tour.
We had plenty of time after the Abbey tour to see other things that day. As I mentioned, my mother in law and I went over to the National Gallery to do another one of London Walks tours so they walked us through some of the highlights (famous paintings--Vemeer etc.) at the museum. However, DH and son wandered over to the Ben Franklin House. Son did a paper on Franklin at school so he enjoyed the tour of the house and show. After that there was time left to peek into the National Portrait Gallery and St Martin in the Fields for brass rubbings. Note that the National Gallery and National Portrait Gallery are open until 9PM on Fridays.
Basically, your two days could look like this:
Day 1
Changing of the Guards--see outside of Buckingham Palace
Westminster Abbey
Trafalgar Square
National Gallery
St Martin the Field
National Portrait Gallery
Leicester Square--restaurants and theater district
We ate at J Sheekey a great fish restaurant near Leicester Square but it is quite expensive. There are plenty of other restaurants in the area in all price ranges.
National Gallery, National Portrait Gallery and St Martin are right across the street from each other in Trafalgar Square.
Day 2
--Tower of London-see crown jewels first then pick up Beefeater tour and don't miss the arms and armour exhibit at the White Tower
--Walk onto Tower Bridge
--Come back to boat dock pick up City Cruise to Westminster
--See Parliament and Big Ben
--Walk to Cabinet War Rooms open until 6PM I think
--Walk across Westminster Bridge to London Eye
That covers a lot of ground in two days. It doesn't cover St Paul though--maybe someone can suggest how to squeeze it in if desired.
Jan 11th, 2011, 06:12 PM
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Great advice. Thanks!! The brass rubbings sound like an interesting keepsake.
Is Covent Garden a good option to have lunch? I have heard much about it but do not have a clear picture whether it would be a good option. From what I understand, it's within walking distance of Trafalgar Square?
I had really hoped to visit the Globe Theater but that will have to wait... I'm an English teacher and I think when I'd go, I'd like to go to a play, as well. I don't think our short time in London will allow it.
Is Covent Garden a good option to have lunch? I have heard much about it but do not have a clear picture whether it would be a good option. From what I understand, it's within walking distance of Trafalgar Square?
I had really hoped to visit the Globe Theater but that will have to wait... I'm an English teacher and I think when I'd go, I'd like to go to a play, as well. I don't think our short time in London will allow it.
Jan 12th, 2011, 07:13 AM
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Correction from what I said, we had three paper travel cards because we had three adults but that doesn't matter. The point is I know the 10 year old travels free. Texasbookworm had more info on the cut-off ages of when you have to pay for kids.
Like she said the TFL website is a really good tool to use. You can use the journey planner to show you how to get from point A to point B via tube, bus etc. I used it a lot before we left to map out bus routes because we had a senior with us and did not want her to deal with the escalators and stairs on the tube so we took the bus to a lot of places and the tube when we had to if it was the best way around. If it is a close walk they give you directions on how to walk including a map which you can print out.
It is approx 10-15 min walk from Trafalgar Square to Covent Garden--I think it is a quick hop on the tube--maybe one stop from Leicester Square to Covent Garden on the Piccadilly line.
We stayed not too far from Covent Garden but we only ate there one night for dinner right next to the theater where we saw the show Oliver. We weren't there for lunch. I will be going against the grain here I'm sure but we didn't think much of Covent Garden. It is like a bizarre with shops and buskers. We have seen plenty of buskers in various places so we didn't want to crowd around to see what they were doing. To me it isn't worth going out of your way for especially if you only have two days and want to see some major sights. But that is my opnion. You may think otherwise.
If you want tickets for the Globe Theater, check the schedule far far in advance to see what is playing and secure tickets. They sell out fast and in the summer they may not have a full schedule going on. It takes over three hours of time though and sometimes you have to stand for the whole three hours if you purchase standing tickets like it was done in the original time period. We took a tour of the Globe Theater without seeing a production and it was very interesting. You will have to go back to London to see more things. We spent 10 days and I feel we did not cover everything we wanted to see. My son got sick during the trip so we never made it to Oxford which he really wanted to cover being a big Harry Potter fan--he wanted to see the Library and Great Room. Reasons to go back one day!
What ever you do, enjoy and be sure to write a trip report when you get back. My trip report of Paris and London was really really long but check it out if you have lots of time to read. I think if you click on my tag name you can find the report. I enjoyed reading both of Texasbookworm's reports among many others. It helped me in my planning.
Like she said the TFL website is a really good tool to use. You can use the journey planner to show you how to get from point A to point B via tube, bus etc. I used it a lot before we left to map out bus routes because we had a senior with us and did not want her to deal with the escalators and stairs on the tube so we took the bus to a lot of places and the tube when we had to if it was the best way around. If it is a close walk they give you directions on how to walk including a map which you can print out.
It is approx 10-15 min walk from Trafalgar Square to Covent Garden--I think it is a quick hop on the tube--maybe one stop from Leicester Square to Covent Garden on the Piccadilly line.
We stayed not too far from Covent Garden but we only ate there one night for dinner right next to the theater where we saw the show Oliver. We weren't there for lunch. I will be going against the grain here I'm sure but we didn't think much of Covent Garden. It is like a bizarre with shops and buskers. We have seen plenty of buskers in various places so we didn't want to crowd around to see what they were doing. To me it isn't worth going out of your way for especially if you only have two days and want to see some major sights. But that is my opnion. You may think otherwise.
If you want tickets for the Globe Theater, check the schedule far far in advance to see what is playing and secure tickets. They sell out fast and in the summer they may not have a full schedule going on. It takes over three hours of time though and sometimes you have to stand for the whole three hours if you purchase standing tickets like it was done in the original time period. We took a tour of the Globe Theater without seeing a production and it was very interesting. You will have to go back to London to see more things. We spent 10 days and I feel we did not cover everything we wanted to see. My son got sick during the trip so we never made it to Oxford which he really wanted to cover being a big Harry Potter fan--he wanted to see the Library and Great Room. Reasons to go back one day!
What ever you do, enjoy and be sure to write a trip report when you get back. My trip report of Paris and London was really really long but check it out if you have lots of time to read. I think if you click on my tag name you can find the report. I enjoyed reading both of Texasbookworm's reports among many others. It helped me in my planning.
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Thank you!
I had thoughts that Covent Garden might not be something we need to do, so thank you for confirming that. I'm sure it would be something to visit if we had more time though.
I will definitely check out your trip report. I didn't realize you did Paris, too.... I just posted another thread on Paris! We have 2 days there, too!!
I had thoughts that Covent Garden might not be something we need to do, so thank you for confirming that. I'm sure it would be something to visit if we had more time though.
I will definitely check out your trip report. I didn't realize you did Paris, too.... I just posted another thread on Paris! We have 2 days there, too!!
