Keeping costs down
#22
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A couple of thoughts on how to manage budgets - most European cities have a vastly greater array of free attractions than in the USA. For example in London, most museums are free as are many other attractions - one good resource for some 'free' ideas in London is http://londonunveiled.com/category/free-activities/ as is http://www.fodors.com/world/europe/e...ure_30007.html - in fact Fodors probably has similar articles for the other places you are going - I'm just most familiar with London.
As to meals, note that in most of Europe taxes and tips/service are included in the price - so it may appear more expensive at first, but when you consider that in some US states another 10% sales tax, and another 15% tip is added to the bill its not that dissimilar.
However, one great technique for controlling food costs AND getting a local feel is to attend the street markets - London has street markets almost daily somewhere - though the big ones, like Borough Market, Broadway Market, Brick Lane and Notting Hill are on weekends - food is much more reasonable at these places. Paris and other large cities will have similar markets - just ask around.
As to meals, note that in most of Europe taxes and tips/service are included in the price - so it may appear more expensive at first, but when you consider that in some US states another 10% sales tax, and another 15% tip is added to the bill its not that dissimilar.
However, one great technique for controlling food costs AND getting a local feel is to attend the street markets - London has street markets almost daily somewhere - though the big ones, like Borough Market, Broadway Market, Brick Lane and Notting Hill are on weekends - food is much more reasonable at these places. Paris and other large cities will have similar markets - just ask around.
#23
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Some really helpful information, Thanks Guys. I know we will be craming alot in but we are travelling from Australia & the 22hr flight & cost is enough for us to know we won't have the chance to come back in a hurry.
I'll keep an eye our for the cheap train tickets on the net, the travel agent said they will book the William Tell Express & Golden Pass train in switzerland.
The picnic idea will be great & i'll make sure i pack a cork screw,plastic utensils & water bottles, thanks snowflake. Is the water ok to fill up from the tap?? My niece is in London & said the water is gross & has gone through so many kidneys before it gets to you. What about in Italy?
I would not have thought a cup of coffee or a cold drink would be so expensive, so will be prepared.
What about tours in Paris & Rome is their deals to buy prior or just line up in the que?
Really appreciate everyones help
Cheers
Alison
I'll keep an eye our for the cheap train tickets on the net, the travel agent said they will book the William Tell Express & Golden Pass train in switzerland.
The picnic idea will be great & i'll make sure i pack a cork screw,plastic utensils & water bottles, thanks snowflake. Is the water ok to fill up from the tap?? My niece is in London & said the water is gross & has gone through so many kidneys before it gets to you. What about in Italy?
I would not have thought a cup of coffee or a cold drink would be so expensive, so will be prepared.
What about tours in Paris & Rome is their deals to buy prior or just line up in the que?
Really appreciate everyones help
Cheers
Alison
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Is the water ok to fill up from the tap?? My niece is in London & said the water is gross & has gone through so many kidneys before it gets to you. What about in Italy?>>
the water throughout europe is perfectly safe to drink. opinions vary as to whether it tastes good, which is presumably why the bottled water manufacturers remain in business.
the museum pass for Paris and the Roma pass [if you can find one to buy] may not save you much money, but they will save you lots and lots of your precious time, and probably mean that you see places that you might not have bothered with otherwise.
They work differently - the Roma pass lasts for 3 days and gives you free access into the first 2 attractions you visit - so if you work it so that you go to the Colosseum [Forum and palatinate on the same ticket so all 3 count as one] and, say, the Galeria Borgheses first, then you have more or less covered the cost of the pass in one fell swoop, and avoided all those queues. to book the galeria Borghese using the roma pass as your entry ticket, you need to phone them, not book on line. NB - booking is compulsory for the Galleria borghese.
http://www.romapass.it/?l=en [NB - you don't need the roma e piu pass - that's for greater Rome]
http://www.galleriaborghese.it/borghese/en/
in Paris, you just buy the pass for 2, 4, or 6 days.
http://en.parismuseumpass.com/
hope this helps!
the water throughout europe is perfectly safe to drink. opinions vary as to whether it tastes good, which is presumably why the bottled water manufacturers remain in business.
the museum pass for Paris and the Roma pass [if you can find one to buy] may not save you much money, but they will save you lots and lots of your precious time, and probably mean that you see places that you might not have bothered with otherwise.
They work differently - the Roma pass lasts for 3 days and gives you free access into the first 2 attractions you visit - so if you work it so that you go to the Colosseum [Forum and palatinate on the same ticket so all 3 count as one] and, say, the Galeria Borgheses first, then you have more or less covered the cost of the pass in one fell swoop, and avoided all those queues. to book the galeria Borghese using the roma pass as your entry ticket, you need to phone them, not book on line. NB - booking is compulsory for the Galleria borghese.
http://www.romapass.it/?l=en [NB - you don't need the roma e piu pass - that's for greater Rome]
http://www.galleriaborghese.it/borghese/en/
in Paris, you just buy the pass for 2, 4, or 6 days.
http://en.parismuseumpass.com/
hope this helps!
#25
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Cutting back on places visited would be one way to save costs, and save dramatically. You have listed 10 places in 30 days, that's a lot of moving around and with it travel expenses and other incidentals will increase.
Presumably you are talking two days on the ground in some places, which is not a whole lot especially in some of the great places you plan on visiting. I would recommend removing three of your planned locations. For example, is Switzerland necessary?
Presumably you are talking two days on the ground in some places, which is not a whole lot especially in some of the great places you plan on visiting. I would recommend removing three of your planned locations. For example, is Switzerland necessary?
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"<i>I know we will be craming alot in but we are travelling from Australia & the 22hr flight & cost is enough for us to know we won't have the chance to come back in a hurry.</i>"
That is a common way of thinking . . . The problem is the more you move around the <i>less</i> you actually get to see/do. One spends so much time/money moving from place to place, they miss out on BEING anywhere.
IMO it is a shame to spend the limited time/money for what basically ends up being a major tour of the train stations and airports of Europe.
Your plan isn't nearly as frantic/crazy as some we see here, but you will spend more and see less because you are moving around so much.
That is a common way of thinking . . . The problem is the more you move around the <i>less</i> you actually get to see/do. One spends so much time/money moving from place to place, they miss out on BEING anywhere.
IMO it is a shame to spend the limited time/money for what basically ends up being a major tour of the train stations and airports of Europe.
Your plan isn't nearly as frantic/crazy as some we see here, but you will spend more and see less because you are moving around so much.
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"My niece is in London & said the water is gross & has gone through so many kidneys before it gets to you. What about in Italy?"
That could be said about anywhere in the world, the most possible reason that the water in London tastes "gross", is that it's "hard" water that's naturally filtered through chalk, this leaves a lot of minerals in the water (good for teeth and bones).
That could be said about anywhere in the world, the most possible reason that the water in London tastes "gross", is that it's "hard" water that's naturally filtered through chalk, this leaves a lot of minerals in the water (good for teeth and bones).
#28
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janisj makes a good point.
If I were the OP I would spend a month in UK or France or Italy but not all of these. But it's personal preferences.
It is precisely because you are coming all this way that it makes sense to relax and absorb certain places. Because after all, the trains and train stations in Europe will probably be similar to Australia.
If I were the OP I would spend a month in UK or France or Italy but not all of these. But it's personal preferences.
It is precisely because you are coming all this way that it makes sense to relax and absorb certain places. Because after all, the trains and train stations in Europe will probably be similar to Australia.
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You will probably find Switzerland expensive for a couple of reasons. It is and then there's the less-than-wonderful exchange rate.
If you are absolutely intent on saving money there I would eat in as much as possible.
Do you normally even eat three meals per day?
If you are absolutely intent on saving money there I would eat in as much as possible.
Do you normally even eat three meals per day?
#30
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If you prefer bottled water, buy it in six packs of 1.5 or 2 litre bottles at the grocery, then transfer to smaller bottles at your flat. There's the issue of lugging it back but we used to take our empty 24" roller bags shopping, worked really well.
#31

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I cant imagine packing water bottles or even granola bars from home. Just stop in at any grocery store and buy that stuff here!
Water from the tap is perfectly fine. It will taste different from what you are used to because the source is different.
The easiest ways to save money are to limit places you are visiting and eating in.
In London you can save a tonne by grabbing sandwiches or salads from the numerous shops all over town and eating in a park or on a bench like the locals. Look for Tesco, Sainsbury, Boots, Eat, Pret, Costa, Starbucks, Cafe Nero, Pod, Numerous burrito places, numerous pasta and sandwich bars, Paul, Birley Sandwiches etc for good take away.
In Paris visit boulangeries or patisseries instead of sit down places for breakfast and lunch. Again take your items to the park.
Water from the tap is perfectly fine. It will taste different from what you are used to because the source is different.
The easiest ways to save money are to limit places you are visiting and eating in.
In London you can save a tonne by grabbing sandwiches or salads from the numerous shops all over town and eating in a park or on a bench like the locals. Look for Tesco, Sainsbury, Boots, Eat, Pret, Costa, Starbucks, Cafe Nero, Pod, Numerous burrito places, numerous pasta and sandwich bars, Paul, Birley Sandwiches etc for good take away.
In Paris visit boulangeries or patisseries instead of sit down places for breakfast and lunch. Again take your items to the park.
#32
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My advise would be sray away from Starbucks..If memory serves me a frappaciino at Waterloo station cost the equivalant of 16$ canadian a couple of years ago..Starbucks is never economical!! Groc. store delis are however and the choice is endless.
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In London you can save a tonne by grabbing sandwiches or salads from the numerous shops all over town and eating in a park or on a bench like the locals. Look for Tesco, Sainsbury, Boots, Eat, Pret, Costa, Starbucks, Cafe Nero, Pod, Numerous burrito places, numerous pasta and sandwich bars, Paul, Birley Sandwiches etc for good take away.>>
throughout the UK supermarkets and places like Boots have "meal deals" which allow you to buy ANY sandwich, any drink and any snack for about £3.50. Really excellent value when you consider that some of the sandwiches are £3 by themselves. as for hot drinks, our local library does a take-away coffee for £1.50. look too for "locals' " sandwich bars - our nearest sells an excellent sandwich for less than £2.50; the same thing would be nearer to £4 in Pret or similar.
throughout the UK supermarkets and places like Boots have "meal deals" which allow you to buy ANY sandwich, any drink and any snack for about £3.50. Really excellent value when you consider that some of the sandwiches are £3 by themselves. as for hot drinks, our local library does a take-away coffee for £1.50. look too for "locals' " sandwich bars - our nearest sells an excellent sandwich for less than £2.50; the same thing would be nearer to £4 in Pret or similar.
#35
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I always drink the tap water and I'm still alive to tell the tale.
"I would not have thought a cup of coffee or a cold drink would be so expensive,"
Personally, I don't drink cold drinks but I've not thought that coffee was really expensive. You can always grab a cuppa at McDonald's they tend to have cheap coffee. You'll be in apts so you can buy your own coffee from a market.
"I would not have thought a cup of coffee or a cold drink would be so expensive,"
Personally, I don't drink cold drinks but I've not thought that coffee was really expensive. You can always grab a cuppa at McDonald's they tend to have cheap coffee. You'll be in apts so you can buy your own coffee from a market.
#37
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Coming from Australia as well, I understand the 'got to see as much as we can' attitude. However, you will travel again to Europe - yes it may not be very often but you will. (think positive here)
I agree with all the posters who suggest cutting down your itinerary - particularly Switzerland. Yes, it is beautiful, but by jingo it is expensive, not the country for budget travellers IMO. France is relatively cheap but it doesn't look like you are planning to spend too much time there.If you have already paid for your accommodation then all our suggestions of changing are a moot point. In that case I agree with most of the suggestions listed and can't really offer much more. It would be a shame though to get all that way there and not be able to enjoy the food and what the country has to offer because you haven't got the cash to do it.
I travel solo nowadays and usually work on about $100 a day. Some days it is more, some less. I also stay in apartments where possible but don't eat in that often. I am not a great drinker so that cuts down $$$.
Your trip will only be a 'taster' but that is fine too, you will soon work out where you wish to return to and spend more time when you go again.
Schnauzer/sydney
I agree with all the posters who suggest cutting down your itinerary - particularly Switzerland. Yes, it is beautiful, but by jingo it is expensive, not the country for budget travellers IMO. France is relatively cheap but it doesn't look like you are planning to spend too much time there.If you have already paid for your accommodation then all our suggestions of changing are a moot point. In that case I agree with most of the suggestions listed and can't really offer much more. It would be a shame though to get all that way there and not be able to enjoy the food and what the country has to offer because you haven't got the cash to do it.
I travel solo nowadays and usually work on about $100 a day. Some days it is more, some less. I also stay in apartments where possible but don't eat in that often. I am not a great drinker so that cuts down $$$.
Your trip will only be a 'taster' but that is fine too, you will soon work out where you wish to return to and spend more time when you go again.
Schnauzer/sydney
#38

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I don't agree that Switzerland is expensive. Everyone says that but when I went a couple years ago, I didn't find it any more expensive than France. It was actually a little cheaper in some ways (although I mainly stay in Paris), such as cafes, I remember. I was in Montreux and I've been in Verbier, also, the ski resort.
And Starbucks is not that expensive, everywhere I've been, Starbucks isn't any more expensive than if you sit in an outdoor cafe (France and Spain are the places I've been in Starbucks), it seems to me, and maybe even a little cheaper considering you get more. I suppose it is more expensive than McDonalds, I would agree with that. I don't believe a frappuccino could cost CAD$16 which is 12 euro, I think that memory must be wrong. Maybe if you bought 3 of them. ALthough I don't think buying fancy drinks like that (frappucinos) is something someone who cares about money should do.
Cafe cremes or cappucinos (about the same) in Paris do cost around 3-4 euro. An espresso or small coffee costs several euro just in some dumpy takeout counter in the train station.
People in civilized countries with good water treatment should really stop buying bottled water all the time, it is really an outrageous assault on the environment for absolutely no reason whatsoever. I don't know why people do that, spend so much money on water, not to mention the bottles and what that does to the environment, even if recycled.
And Starbucks is not that expensive, everywhere I've been, Starbucks isn't any more expensive than if you sit in an outdoor cafe (France and Spain are the places I've been in Starbucks), it seems to me, and maybe even a little cheaper considering you get more. I suppose it is more expensive than McDonalds, I would agree with that. I don't believe a frappuccino could cost CAD$16 which is 12 euro, I think that memory must be wrong. Maybe if you bought 3 of them. ALthough I don't think buying fancy drinks like that (frappucinos) is something someone who cares about money should do.
Cafe cremes or cappucinos (about the same) in Paris do cost around 3-4 euro. An espresso or small coffee costs several euro just in some dumpy takeout counter in the train station.
People in civilized countries with good water treatment should really stop buying bottled water all the time, it is really an outrageous assault on the environment for absolutely no reason whatsoever. I don't know why people do that, spend so much money on water, not to mention the bottles and what that does to the environment, even if recycled.
#39
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Hi, we try to travel as economically as we can, as well being vegetarian can be problematic in some countries.
We rent apartments and I love to cook so this helps. Nothing like buying great fresh produce, bread, cheese and wine and having a relaxed meal in after a busy day. We do go out and lazily have a drink at some cafe later, more for the ambience than anything else.
We like our north american coffee better than a cappuccino, melange or cafe alongé so bring our own along with a melitta drip and start our days that way, while finessing our plans for the day. Again we will stop and enjoy a relaxed coffee or two during the day at a cafe, again for the ambience, more than the drink; okay the restroom factors in as well.
I do love museums and historic sites and feel no problem paying to see them, we enjoy this way more than eating out or shopping. But you can research - see if there are free entrance days, youth/age discounts, passes etc. that are a bonus. Don't skimp on what is most important to you - would you really go to Paris and pass on the Orangerie?
All said, we still go over budget, every time. Somehow the memories make up for that!
We rent apartments and I love to cook so this helps. Nothing like buying great fresh produce, bread, cheese and wine and having a relaxed meal in after a busy day. We do go out and lazily have a drink at some cafe later, more for the ambience than anything else.
We like our north american coffee better than a cappuccino, melange or cafe alongé so bring our own along with a melitta drip and start our days that way, while finessing our plans for the day. Again we will stop and enjoy a relaxed coffee or two during the day at a cafe, again for the ambience, more than the drink; okay the restroom factors in as well.
I do love museums and historic sites and feel no problem paying to see them, we enjoy this way more than eating out or shopping. But you can research - see if there are free entrance days, youth/age discounts, passes etc. that are a bonus. Don't skimp on what is most important to you - would you really go to Paris and pass on the Orangerie?
All said, we still go over budget, every time. Somehow the memories make up for that!
#40
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Christina..Starbucks was 8 pounds..I looked up in my diary and at that time the exchange rate was 2C$/GBP. I wasn't wrong just shocked but it sure tasted good on that very hot day. Anyhow the message is still there..Lots of inexp. places to get fed and refreshed at on the road.

