Last full day, rain, some of our friends looked at the heavy rain and decided to stay in Urzig and visit CH Berres. “Light weights”.

Well it was chucking it down and wet motorways are not that fun. 6 of us and a dog headed off to the Ahr region and tasted at Kloster Maienthal https://www.weingut-kloster-marienthal.de/.

The Ahr (over near Bonn, is unusual as it has a warm micro-climate which allows it to make presentable Pinot Noir, it also means that hiking and dog walking is major use of the hills) this should have been a paid for tasting but we managed to mix dog walk, tasting and lunch in without a bill, followed by a free tasting to check out the wines we had missed at lunch.

This Kloster (complete with cloister) is owned by four of the local coops and is just about the perfect place to try these pretty big PNs. I can imagine that sitting in the cloister on a sunny day, eating food from the large restuarant and drinking the wine would be a perfect day. Still imagination is not reality.

We bought a fair bit of E8 to E15 wines and headed home.

That night we went to the posh Moselchild. http://www.hotel-moselschild.de/. The restaurant is being run by a young man with pretensions most of which were worthwhile. Another 4 wines and giant shrimps “a volonte” were the order of the day. We even had the pleasure of watching a young German lad drink his way through 3 bottles of wine while the wife had a glass, strange, his legs didn't seem to work by the end. A bit disorganised and touching on the expensive but very enjoyable.

The Moselschild certainly has an ambitious and intersting menu, although I think I would need a dictionary before ordering.

This sounds like a great way to spend some time!

Pinot Noir, now you have my attention!

> But feinherb basically tells you it is not trocken while Fruchtig tells you the same

I think there is a difference. If you study the wine list of one of the most reliable wineries in Trier, the Bischöfliche Weingüter, you will find that "feinherb" are wines containing approx. 20g sugar ("Restsüße") and "fruchtsüß" those containing between 40 and 60g.

I'd suggest to start here: https://shop.bischoeflicheweingueter.de/kabinett.html

Click on the names of the different wines and you will find specifications for alcohol, "Restsüße" and acidity.

sla - I'm always happy to start with any Kabinett wine.

<<We even had the pleasure of watching a young German lad drink his way through 3 bottles of wine while the wife had a glass, strange, his legs didn't seem to work by the end. A bit disorganised and touching on the expensive but very enjoyable.>>

3 bottles? I should think that it wasn't just his legs that weren't working after that lot.

Bilbo - this looks as if it was a lot of fun - I'm frankly jealous.

thanks sla, useful input.

What is interesting is how does it "mouth feel"?

you may also like to see this http://www.larscarlberg.com/riesling...wer-an-enigma/

Bauer certainly sees no defintion of "feinherb" in either German or EU law.

I'll drop an email off to the German wine institute for clarification of feinherb and Restsüße and come back if they give me an answer.

Ann, frankly, I am very lucky. ;-)

ok, some feedback

The following is a wonderful website with linked pdf articles

http://www.deutscheweine.de/ it is the website for the German Wine Institute in English

"The term “feinherb” which has no legal limits "

thanks for the link, Bilbo. Something to do to while away the time....