Go Back  Fodor's Travel Talk Forums > Destinations > Europe
Reload this Page >

Italy Transportation and Tunnels

Search

Italy Transportation and Tunnels

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 10th, 2017 | 01:02 PM
  #1  
Original Poster
 
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Italy Transportation and Tunnels

My family will be traveling to Italy in April (6 adults and 2 children). We will be spending a week in Tuscany (close to Siena) and a long weekend in Rome, a total of 12 days. I have an issue with tunnels due to anxiety. I have heard there are numerous tunnels on both the train route that we will be taking (between Rome and Florence) as well as if we drive from Rome to Siena. Could someone provide some perspective on the number of tunnels and the length/time spent in the tunnels (30 seconds, 10 minutes, etc)? We will take the A1 as our main route when we drive and the high-speed train from Florence to Rome. If I can prepare in advance, that will greatly reduce my stress. Thank you!
CJTraveler is offline  
Old Jan 10th, 2017 | 01:29 PM
  #2  
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 78,320
Likes: 0
Take regional trains will I think far less tunnels because they tend to run in valleys and twist around a lot around mountains (my take after decades of taking regional trains in Italy but I may be wrong!-not something I took note on!

Siena -Chiusi - Orvieto - Rome may have no or a few shorter tunnels perhaps

Florence - Empoli - Siena regional train takes a round about route around the mountains.

My mother had the same phobia - first time we took the Pennsylvania Turnpike from Michigan where we have no tunnels except one underwater to Canada - she made my dad stop the car and she wanted to get out and walk up and over the mountain and meet us on the other side.

a half-hour or so of cajoling and she closed her eyes and thru we went -she has the same problem with elevators!

regional trains are yes slower but dirt cheap - no seat reservations even possible.

Side roads thru Tuscany seem to also have fewer tunnels as they also twist around - but the autoroute and high-speed rail line have some long long tunnels.

For lots on regional trains and trains in general check www.trenitalia.com; www.budgeteuropetravel.com and www.ricksteves.com.

Some maps- rail and road show tunnels by dashed lines.
PalenQ is offline  
Old Jan 10th, 2017 | 01:31 PM
  #3  
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 78,320
Likes: 0
Oh on trains you can hide in the toilette/WC!
PalenQ is offline  
Old Jan 10th, 2017 | 08:15 PM
  #4  
 
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 624
Likes: 0
Unless I am forgetting something, I can't recall any "long long" tunnels on your projected routes. Certainly not 10 minutes. Not even 2 minutes.

I can't remember at all how many times the train passes through a tunnel, however.

Perhaps you could take the train to Orvieto and drive to Siena from there. Or to Grosseto and drive to Siena from there. I believe if you plot a driving route using Michelin maps, every tunnel is indicated in the map. Never tried it, but I believe that is so.
frencharmoire is offline  
Old Jan 11th, 2017 | 01:21 AM
  #5  
10 Anniversary
 
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 8,336
Likes: 0
As Palenq said, the best way to avoid tunnels is to take the back roads (not the A1), and to take the regional train (not the high-speed train) between Rome and Florence. There will still be some tunnels, because Italy is a mountainous country, but they will be shorter.

Palenq, I grew up in Pennsylvania, and had an aunt who was afraid of tunnels. Several times we took the old route 22 instead of the turnpike, when traveling west of Harrisburg, so that she wouldn't have to endure the tunnels.

The tunnels on the high speed train line are mostly short, passing under a river or a highway. There are no level crossings on this rail line, because it tunnels under the roads. These tunnels are mostly very short. There are several longer tunnels. The longest (San Donato) is 10 km (6 miles) long. Since the train is traveling at over 200 km an hour, passing through that tunnel should take about four minutes.

Here is Wikipedia's description of the principal tunnels on the high-speed line between Rome and Florence:

Galleria San Donato, 10 954 m
Galleria Orte, 9 317 m
Galleria Castiglione, 7 390 m
Galleria Sant'Oreste, 5 710 m
Galleria Fabro, 3 284 m

The tunnels on the regional line mostly go under rivers, highways, and other railways. There are a few other than that, but they're shorter than those on the high-speed lines.

On the A1, there are tunnels under roads, railway lines, and rivers. Apart from that, between Rome and Chiusi (where you'd probably exit to go to Siena) there are several other short tunnels. I don't think any are longer than 1 km. (.6 miles).

The route between Florence and Bologna, both on the highway and on the railway, has many more tunnels that the route you'll be traveling.
bvlenci is offline  
Old Jan 11th, 2017 | 02:38 AM
  #6  
 
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 624
Likes: 0
In my experience, the cheap regional trains in Italy frequently stop on the tracks to allow other trains to pass that have priority. They use different tracks from the high speed trains, but the high speed trains keep moving, very rapidly. I have sat on regional trains in Italy that stopped inside tunnels. Just stopped and sat there.

Are you going to Siena or Florence? Or Bologna? If you are going to Siena from Rome, you don't need to go to Florence, and can avoid the longest 4-minute train tunnel entirely. Or you can take a bus from Rome to Siena (and between Siena and Florence). Or drive. Check the maps to see if picking up a car at the airport would eliminate some tunnel driving.
frencharmoire is offline  
Old Jan 11th, 2017 | 05:50 AM
  #7  
 
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 10,169
Likes: 0
I don't like the tunnels on the Rome-Florence [high speed] line because you miss out on a lot of scenery. I have to admit that I hadn't thought of putting together a route using regional trains, though I have done it elsewhere.

Thanks, as always, to the knowledgeable and helpful forum!
Ackislander is offline  
Old Jan 11th, 2017 | 05:53 AM
  #8  
10 Anniversary
 
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 8,336
Likes: 0
The high speed trains from Rome to Florence use entirely different tracks from the regional trains. I thought that was clear from both of the earlier responses, which stated that the regional trains on that route passed through fewer and shorter tunnels.

Also, when a train needs to stop to allow a higher-priority train to pass, the stop is usually at a station, where there are additional tracks. Tunnels are almost always single track in each direction, so no passing would be possible there. Even trains going in the opposite direction often use a different tunnel.

If a train stops for any length of time in a tunnel, it would be a very unusual situation.
bvlenci is offline  
Old Jan 11th, 2017 | 09:14 AM
  #9  
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 78,320
Likes: 0
xanax is your friend!
PalenQ is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Original Poster
Forum
Replies
Last Post
markwill12
Europe
23
Jul 11th, 2014 11:08 AM
rkennedy929
Europe
7
Aug 27th, 2010 07:16 AM
rev579
Europe
10
Mar 17th, 2009 07:45 AM
jan2jean
Europe
7
Jan 9th, 2006 02:58 PM
allie01
Europe
5
Jul 17th, 2005 09:14 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement -