Italy Rail: 1st class vs. 2nd Class
Oct 19th, 2003, 03:41 AM
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Italy Rail: 1st class vs. 2nd Class
Can anyone give me insight into the true difference between the two classes? I heard they are about the same in Italy is this true? I know the prices vary drastically
Oct 19th, 2003, 05:02 AM
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The other problem is, generally, from my train travels in Italy, there are minimal "primo classe" cars. We purchased primo and were in the only "1" car on the train. There were folks standing the whole time, arguing with the irritable conductor about not having seats. Check this out before you buy.
Oct 19th, 2003, 05:54 AM
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I didn't really have a problem with the smoke on trains on this recent trip. In the past, there used to be people smoking in the non-smoking cars, but things are improving. The worst I experienced was smoke drifting in from the standing area between cars, where people weren't supposed to be standing, let alone smoking. But it wasn't too bad. On one type of train (may have been the regionale), there were no smoking cars at all--big difference from the old days when smoking cars outnumbered the non-smoking ones (where people smoked anyway). I think seat assignments are mandatory on the Eurostar. I HAD to take an expensive Eurostar from Milan to Bolgna, because there are apparently no regular trains on that route.
Oct 19th, 2003, 09:39 AM
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We've only traveled on an IC train once from Venice to Milan. We went first class, no smoking. Our car had a glass sort of swinging door toward the end of the car with about three rows of seats designated for smoking on the other side of the door. Fortunately no one sat there, because above the door was an open space and the smoke would have poured over.
On ES trains, which we have used more extensively, we have always traveled second class and have absolutely no complaints. Walking through the 1st class cars I noticed very little difference (carpeting for one thing) so have never regreted our choice.
On ES trains, which we have used more extensively, we have always traveled second class and have absolutely no complaints. Walking through the 1st class cars I noticed very little difference (carpeting for one thing) so have never regreted our choice.
Oct 20th, 2003, 07:28 AM
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Well after years of traveling Italian trains I can say that first class is much much nicer than second class when talking about long-distance trains. Some locals may not even have first class and if they do the difference in comfort is small. Anyone who says there is no difference on main-line trains however, just doesn't know what they're talking about. How many times have i seen second-class cars resemble cattle cars. Now on the EurostarItalia tilting trains the difference is not so dramatic because on these trains seat reservations and a supplement are mandatory, thus you don't have folks standing. Ticket prices in Italy are so cheap that even first class won't cost much. As for smoking, it's hard to get away from the haze, i've seen many Italian conductors puffing away as they check tickets in non-smoking cars. First class seats are not only larger, but there is much more room for luggage as well as having more empty seats.
Oct 20th, 2003, 04:30 PM
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If it's summer it might matter.
I'm with those who understand that the 2c car arrives the same time as the 1C car, however, we were in Italy during the heat wave and the 2C car was either not airconditioned or the AC was very poor. By the time our journey from Rome to Orvieto was over, we were drenched.
I didn't hesitate to book 1C from Florence to Venice. After counting as many birthdays as I have, I figured I deserved that bit of pampering. The cars were delightfully cool in 1C. (We did observe some unhappy Americans sneak from 2C to 1C during the journey because of the lack of air..)
I'm with those who understand that the 2c car arrives the same time as the 1C car, however, we were in Italy during the heat wave and the 2C car was either not airconditioned or the AC was very poor. By the time our journey from Rome to Orvieto was over, we were drenched.
I didn't hesitate to book 1C from Florence to Venice. After counting as many birthdays as I have, I figured I deserved that bit of pampering. The cars were delightfully cool in 1C. (We did observe some unhappy Americans sneak from 2C to 1C during the journey because of the lack of air..)
Oct 20th, 2003, 04:41 PM
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We also recently spent the small extra fee for 1st class on Eurostar from Florence to Venice and were glad we did. We were very comfortable for the trip.
I will add, however, that we've also taken 2nd class on Eurostar from Paris to London and were comfortable there, as well.
The main difference between the classes, in our opinion, was the extra leg room, larger seats and limited passengers in 1st class. The extra service was nice, too. We would splurge for first again on Eurostar....especially in the summer months.
I will add, however, that we've also taken 2nd class on Eurostar from Paris to London and were comfortable there, as well.
The main difference between the classes, in our opinion, was the extra leg room, larger seats and limited passengers in 1st class. The extra service was nice, too. We would splurge for first again on Eurostar....especially in the summer months.
Oct 20th, 2003, 08:25 PM
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First class is nicer and the price difference really isn't atronomical, like it is on airplanes. For longer hauls over two hours, spend the extra ten euros or so and go first. The compartments are cleaner and plusher. Both are civilized ways to travel; first is more so.
Oct 20th, 2003, 08:53 PM
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GAC wrote a really informative post on this awhile back. Here's the link...
http://www.fodors.com/forums/pgMessa...searchText=gac
http://www.fodors.com/forums/pgMessa...searchText=gac
Oct 21st, 2003, 12:21 AM
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Indeed, they are virtually the same now as nearly all the trains in Italy went through a major overhaul in April 2003 when the "no-smoking" cars were abolished and turned into more available seating space. The other cars in 1st and 2nd classes were fixed up too. I only travel 2nd class and am very pleased with the price. I would recommend 2nd class to anyone trying to decide what type of train ticket to buy.
Oct 21st, 2003, 05:27 AM
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The price difference is simple: on most European railways, first class is 50% more than second class. For that, you get more space but not 50% more; if there are four seats abreast in second class, there will be three in first. I'm over fifty, but have never bothered with first class in Italy. Smoke is no longer the problem it used to be: FS have tightened their rules and most short journeys are entirely non-smoking, while smoking areas are much more limited on long journeys. First class is usually less busy, and you can often reserve seats there when second class is full. Apart from some overnight journeys, I've always just bought tickets in Italy and never worried about booking in advance.
Oct 23rd, 2003, 03:11 PM
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Wow what a wonderful response. Thank you, I think we will go for second class, the difference is $15 per person. Plus we are use to New York Subways! Anyway, anyone have any insight into if it is possible to get from Firenze to Lucca via train and Firenze to Pisa and what the cost is round trip?
