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Old Feb 6th, 2015 | 02:14 AM
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I've always been confused by the term United States, does that mean each little bit is its own state, and how come Washington City is not included. What did Delaware? How come the whole state of Delaware can be a tax haven and yet Luxembourg is not allowed to be?

Then Costa Rica or is that Costa Coffee or Costa Nero is some sort of non-state colony.

Then there is Guantanamo which is some sort of slave state colony inside, the US army, inside another colony virtually surrounded by state in conflict with the United States over soap and tobacco, or do I get confused here?

Still I used to love selling stuff in Iraq while it was still a "protectorate of the USA" and we had to comply with all the UN (United Nations, which is not itself a Nation, or ever very United) protectorate legislation

You know this stuff is tricky and it is everywhere.
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Old Feb 6th, 2015 | 04:16 AM
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"Are the English second-class citizens in their own country - first-class in terms of economy however and population."

Of course they're not. One problem the UK has is that England dominates every conceivable aspect of the union (except for making haggis), so it's understandable the smaller provinces blame England for whatever's upsetting them this week. So, for most of the past 500 years, has much of the rest of the world, and the English really don't give a sod.

Anne's West Lothian question is so called because someone's supposed to have asked about it, once, in West Lothian - though there's no living witnesses of anyone actually discussing something of such mind-boggling irrelevance to West Lothianites. In reality it's because even fewer English people care about it than know or care what a West Lothian is and what you'd do with it if you found one.

And as Patrick says, anyone who thinks about this realises a separate English assembly would piss the lower orders off even more, and the EU's answer - lots of meaningless regions, with gazillions of parasites sucking subsidies out of the EU (ie out of other English regions) - is ridiculous.

What actually miffs many English is the quite different - and real - problem that most of Britain's growth - and intellectual property - happens within 100 miles of London, where there's not much room left for any more and where the even greater latent growth is suppressed by the impossibility of affording anywhere to live or of getting around.

Yet another Holyrood-style architectural monstrosity for posturers to bloviate in will do nothing to solve that. And no-one's really come up with a useful alternative.

Meanwhile, Westminster governs England as well or badly as it has for centuries. Unlike the inept legislatures of America, France, Canada or Australia - which all seem to have given up governing anything recently.

The over-wrought discussion groups at Stormont, Holyrood and Cardiff keep a bunch of tosspots off the streets, don't cost us that much to fund - but are quite irrelevant to the problem of England's regions.
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Old Feb 6th, 2015 | 04:35 AM
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A balanced budget ...comparatively low unemployment ...a solid banking sector ...secure borders and safe streets, relative to our big neighbour ...relative social harmony ...and the rule of law: in what specific area has Canada's Parliament proven ineffective or negligent? Parliament is a rather poisonous place these days but the country continues to tick along and the needed legislation - unlike the US - does get passed.
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Old Feb 6th, 2015 | 05:52 AM
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The United Kingdom (UK) is exactly what it says, a KINGDOM, it is not a country.The UK is made up of Great Britain (GB) and Northern Ireland. Great Britain consists of the countries of England, Scotland and Wales.
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Old Feb 6th, 2015 | 06:24 AM
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Her Majesty's Government (HMG), commonly referred to as the British Government, is the central government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.It is composed of 650 Members of Parliament (MPs), elected from the 650 constituencies from England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.(They are collectively called the Commons and sit in the House of Commons. The House of Lords is a non-elected body.
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Old Feb 6th, 2015 | 08:41 AM
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England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland each have their own flag. The Union Flag is made up of the Cross of St George (England), the Cross of St. Andrew (Scotland) and the Cross of St Patrick (N. Ireland ). the Welsh Dragon is not included. The Union Flag is often erroneously called the Union Jack. That is incorrect, it is only called that when it is flown from the Jack (mast) of a ship..
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Old Feb 6th, 2015 | 09:00 AM
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A country is whatever area enough people refer to as a country. A state is a legal entity. There may be any number of Venn diagram overlaps between the two and the notion of a nation, which is classically "that which defines itself as such".

Pace flanner, the West Lothian question is called that because it was asked by the then MP for West Lothian, Tam Dalyell, at the time of the original proposals for Scottish devolution in 1977-9. Of course, Scottish MPs don't get to vote on matters devolved to the Scottish Parliament either, but I don't know where that takes us. That's where it all gets a bit Schleswig-Holstein.
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Old Feb 6th, 2015 | 09:37 AM
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Meanwhile, Westminster governs England as well or badly as it has for centuries. Unlike the inept legislatures of America, France, Canada or Australia - which all seem to have given up governing anything recently.>

But wait a while - just read that third parties are a real threat to the 2 poarty dominated of British politics - well there are the Liberal Dems I know buy pretty much has been a Labour and Tory fight but the anit-immigration party and Lablour's threatened loss of many of its Scottish seats rears up the possibility of a real hung parliament - Italian style.
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Old Feb 6th, 2015 | 11:25 AM
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That's where it all gets a bit Schleswig-Holstein.>>

lol, Patrick.
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Old Feb 6th, 2015 | 11:30 AM
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How about the country of Cornwall - the flag could have a Cornish pastry on it! annhig for Chief Justice (or is it Just-Us?)?
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Old Feb 6th, 2015 | 11:50 AM
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>>and are called the home counties I think -<<

>>Cornish past<B><red>r</B></red>y<<

My oh my . . .
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Old Feb 6th, 2015 | 12:15 PM
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or thinking of janis, a Cornish hen?
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Old Feb 6th, 2015 | 12:17 PM
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In the UK we don't have any obsessions with either the Union Flag or the flags of the various nations. They come out on auspicious occasions, but after the event, they probably get rolled up in a ball and thrown into the nearest cupboard until the next occasion.We owe allegiance to the Queen not to a flag..
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Old Feb 6th, 2015 | 12:28 PM
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Did I not see the Flag of England a lot during the World Cup - the one with St Georges red cross on it? Yes I did see it a lot down in Brazil - I guess to distance themselves for the other constituent parts of the United (not very!) Kingdom?

janis for Queen!
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Old Feb 6th, 2015 | 12:43 PM
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The cornish flag is Black with a white cross on it, not dissimilar to the Breton flag. The languages are quite similar too. At Cornish rugby matches, a giant pasty is paraded round the ground before a match, and we have our own anthem too.

And yes you did see the Cross of St George [who never visited England] at the World Cup. if Scotland, northern Ireland or Wales had got there, there flags would have been there too.

BTW, did you know that with Rugby, the whole of Ireland is represented in the Irish team and that they sing two anthems?
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Old Feb 6th, 2015 | 12:52 PM
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Ask the crowd in the Millenium stadium if England and Wales are separate countries.

Wales are getting beat I see .
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Old Feb 6th, 2015 | 01:11 PM
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a rare English victory in Wales, hetismij, and revenge for England's defeat 2 years ago, when they stopped us winning the Grand Slam. I have to say that we felt that we'd beaten France as well - the french ref didn't seem very even-handed especially when he disallowed that 2nd try, but perhaps we were biased.
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Old Feb 6th, 2015 | 02:28 PM
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Of course we wave our Nations flags at sporting events and the like.We paint our faces in the colours of the flags. (And there's a thing , what do we mean by Nation? The Scottish National Party and the Welsh National Party). What we don't do is have the Union Flag in every school or public building and cross our hearts and swear to it each day.

It was a good rugby match and England deserve to win.
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Old Feb 6th, 2015 | 03:07 PM
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Is Catalonia a country? the Basque country a country? Brittany in France a country? - None have their own parliaments like England but are entities beholden to a central government that may or may not reflect their values.

Under the rather flukey grounds England is a 'country' I think those other would qualify as well and many more - how about the two Belgiums - the four distinct parts of Switzerland - I guess they all could be states if their federal government decided it, like the British government has.

Our or my definition of a country don't comport to England being a country - a word obviously used different in the U K than Stateside. That and U.N. memberships not to mention EU membership - we mix up the terms 'state' and 'country' from what Brits consider that to be. Heck Gibraltar is a country under that rule as is each of the five or more Channel Islands and even Berwick-on-Tweed!

But again it's just semantics and entities like FIFA who treats them for some reason like separate countries - that the IOC don't is very telling and comports with what we Yanks (janis excepted NO doubt) counsider a country to be.
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Old Feb 6th, 2015 | 11:11 PM
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In the commonwealth games England, Scotland , Northern Ireland , Wales??? Compete as separate countries .
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